With pod capacities getting so large, how long until they play video files?
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60GB iPods - Not Soon?
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seriously, reconsider your whining-I'm at just over 40 gigs of music, and you know what? the only thing I think would come of having signifigantly more would be that I wouldn't know my music as well. It's already really hard to keep track of. I think after 20 GB (in aac) returns gradually diminish because of the limits of the human brain and time. around 40 gigs is the real point of diminishing returns, where a whole bunch more music hardly makes any difference at all, because you just can't know it all.
Now, here's the qualifier. Sound quality matters, and higher sound quality=less music and bigger drives (unless drives are monsterous). But first apple lossless needs to get actually used (or, apple could allow FLAC, OGG, etc. support). My proposal: come out with 60 and 80 gig drives at the same time as coming out with fairplay protected lossless from the ITMS, and throw that into this new version of copy protected CD's, too. NOW we're talkin'. This will give reason for new ipods until HD space hits the same number of hours in lossless as we currently have in AAC: 100-200GB. Throw in new designs, features, and of course, shrinking the ipod, and you've got yourself a buisness plan for the next five years to keep on top of the market. The mini, then can become the ipod lossless's little AAC cousin. And perhaps a mini-mini, that's more wristwatch sized, could someday take the current mini market place, with less songs and in AAC, but incredible form factor and convienence.
Now, here's the qualifier. Sound quality matters, and higher sound quality=less music and bigger drives (unless drives are monsterous). But first apple lossless needs to get actually used (or, apple could allow FLAC, OGG, etc. support). My proposal: come out with 60 and 80 gig drives at the same time as coming out with fairplay protected lossless from the ITMS, and throw that into this new version of copy protected CD's, too. NOW we're talkin'. This will give reason for new ipods until HD space hits the same number of hours in lossless as we currently have in AAC: 100-200GB. Throw in new designs, features, and of course, shrinking the ipod, and you've got yourself a buisness plan for the next five years to keep on top of the market. The mini, then can become the ipod lossless's little AAC cousin. And perhaps a mini-mini, that's more wristwatch sized, could someday take the current mini market place, with less songs and in AAC, but incredible form factor and convienence.
~Shard~ said:Yah, but then by that rationale, I would need a 200+ GB iPod to have all my music "on hand"...
I of course realize people use their iPods for different things and have different philosophies about them, but for me, I just need enough music on my iPod to last me through the day, or on a long flight/drive, etc.
good lord, I hope you're keeping that music in dvd-audio or something. do you even know what is good and what is crap?
More than that, I'd assume you would know, with all of that music, that it isn't about having enough to get you through the day, but having enought to having enough to listen to whatever strikes your fancy, whenever it strikes your fancy.
How could anybody need more than forty gigs for music? If they don't want it to be compressed, that's how.
matthewwithanm said:
Currently, I have 41+ GB of music. Most of it Jazz and most of it digitized from LPs. I collected over 1500 LPs and 600 CDs over a period of 20+ years.
Some of the music is very special to me as this music saw me through many phases of my life. Also, some of the albums are very rare.
Playing my music in random mode is a delight in discovering tracks I haven't heard in a while. And then there are tracks that reminds me of special times, special places, and special people.
Yes, I need this music; and yes, I need that 60 GIG iPod.
ArticulatedArm said:
I was at the Sony Store in Ginza Japan a few weeks back...was not impressed with the U50 - the screen is too small, the back of the unit was too hot (hot as a Gen1 Albook with the HD continuously spinning), and it was very unintuitive with XP as it's OS (Might as well have been a Vaio). There are some kinks to work out with the design and build quality, but it is good to see that Sony is trying...
I'd love a 100MB or even 200MB
I would fill it with part of my collection of 4000 CDs and 3000+ LPs.
The iPod is not a just a joggin thing for me. I have an extra dock that I hook up at work on a stereo and at Hotels with Stereos. Everywhere I go I take my music collection along.
I would fill it with part of my collection of 4000 CDs and 3000+ LPs.
The iPod is not a just a joggin thing for me. I have an extra dock that I hook up at work on a stereo and at Hotels with Stereos. Everywhere I go I take my music collection along.
Not gonna happen. Apple Computer just lost a trademark dispute in China to these peoplegreenmonsterman said:
dontmatter said:
Heh heh - lots of people have made similar comments like that before and I am no stranger to them! Actually, if I didn't mention it before in this thread, I record the BBC Radio One Essential Mixes every single week, and have every 2-hour show since 1993, save about 10. Those 600 mixes alone, at an average of 200 MB when encoded (if I so chose to encode ALL of them!) I estimate would be 120 GB right there, and that's not even starting to get into my actual personal music collection...
matthewwithanm said:
Geez, I'd hate to think of how large my colleciton would be if all of my compressed music WASN'T compressed - then my 200+ GB figure form above would be even higher!
uberman42 said:
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. I really do not think Sony IS trying, they certainly have not demonstrated it anywhere else. They have repeated the same mistake over and over, that mistake being proprietary formats in which they end up going it alone. Even their VIAO operating systems are a unique flavor of Windows that make them problematic, their WiFi network drive even used a unique flavor of Linux. This chronic problem even stops Sony equipment from playing nicely with Sony equipment. They can not even seem to settle on a compatible memory card technology for their devices.
The Sony player is not bad looking, the interface interesting, but the data format ensures it is DOA.
Yep, Sony has a bad habbit of going proprietary. Sony has some very cool devices, then they hamper them with proprietary standards. Stupid IMHO.flipperfeet said:
As for the U50/U70, looks questionable to me. Seems like the OQO is a better attempt.
Sushi
future ipod
here's my take on what may happen:
Since it is RUMOURED that 60 gb has started production, and knowing that ipod sales have increased exponentially over the last year, toshiba prob couldn't build enough hard drives to match the projected sales for 4th qurter, typically the highest selling period.
Knowing this apple avoided introduction of the 60gb ipods in september, to avoid any ipod mini debacle. But they needed to introduce something to the market to keep the momentum going, so introduced this mini step.
What I guess and hope will happen is that in Jan/Feb, the 30/60 gigs will be introduced at the equivalent 20/40 gig prices.
I also think that they will increase the hard drive of ipod mini to 6 gigs, as well as changing and introducing new colour schemes.
Heck, since we are postulating, they may increase bit-rate of itunes to 192, maintaning the 1000 song mini/10,000 song ipod.
My 2 cents
here's my take on what may happen:
Since it is RUMOURED that 60 gb has started production, and knowing that ipod sales have increased exponentially over the last year, toshiba prob couldn't build enough hard drives to match the projected sales for 4th qurter, typically the highest selling period.
Knowing this apple avoided introduction of the 60gb ipods in september, to avoid any ipod mini debacle. But they needed to introduce something to the market to keep the momentum going, so introduced this mini step.
What I guess and hope will happen is that in Jan/Feb, the 30/60 gigs will be introduced at the equivalent 20/40 gig prices.
I also think that they will increase the hard drive of ipod mini to 6 gigs, as well as changing and introducing new colour schemes.
Heck, since we are postulating, they may increase bit-rate of itunes to 192, maintaning the 1000 song mini/10,000 song ipod.
My 2 cents
ccuilla said:
Then why is it that ATI got burned when they announced an Apple product? Why is it that everyone gets nervous whenever someone lets some info slip that may pertain to Apple's release plans?
For any other company its stupid. The company comes first. For Apple its the result of the control of a company by one man who has a fuse.
If there is a rational explanation I would love to here it. The only two possibilities I can see is a video type ipod being created for the high-end iPod that will be released later. Or manufacturing issues on the drive. The latter seems unlikely since Tosh was the one to announce the drives and the fact that Apple has ordered said drives. Would they make such a high key statement if they were having production issues? I mean that leaves the ball in Apple's court to say Oops sorry. Tosh is having problems and can't get their **** together. No something else is going on. I still think Apple and Jobs are trying to make Tosh sweat over this. Maybe I'm wrong. But the personality of Jobs makes me think I'm right.
SiliconAddict said:
Well there is that minor issue of the drives not being avaiable until late summer...
But I'm sure that's not it. It must be Steve's temper that's holding it off. I mean, what's something like a little time travel to a company like Apple?
egor said:
How to find tons of music you love.
1) Start your collection with Elvis '68 comeback special - a gift on your fourth birthday from your six year old sister (it's not '68 either but the late '70's)
2) Discover Prince and Hip Hop in the early eighties. Seek out Princes influences (Joni Mitchell etc.) and the source of your favorite samples.
3) Have a mother who loves folk and country and a dad who loves jazz and classical
4) Love the radio
5) Ignore prejudice and admit you like great pop music - especially when people who whould have described The Beatles as a boy band were they middle aged in the '60's tell you that Justin Timberlake's never released a great pop song.
6) Buy as many records as you love.
That's what got me to the state I'm in now anyway...
SiliconAddict said:
He may be a bit short tempered, but it's because he has a vision and he wants that vision to come to fruition. The man is better described as a motivated genius than a raging cutthroat business wildman who holds personal grudges like a toddler. He gets a little miffed when somebody rains on his parade and leaks some info, but just like everybody else in the world he likes to be the one in the spotlight when he's got something really cool to show everybody. A 60GB iPod deserves a public announcement in a bonafide black-mock-turtleneck-and-jeans Steve speach, but it's no crucial enough for him to can the whole thing immediately if Toshiba accidentaly wanders on stage. We're talking about Apples new marquis product here, and a whole BUNCH of revenue. Nobody's ego outweighs their appetite for cash, even Mr. Steve Jobs.
-Joe
SiliconAddict said:
Lighten up. Your going off on a rumor. As f*****g nuts as Jobs is, I don't ever see him doing something like this.
The only fact in this whole thing is that Toshiba said Sept-Oct (IIRC) for these drives to be shipping. If so, then Jobs/Apple were smart to not announce it. Now they can sell a ton of 20 and 40 GB and not end up with pre orders for a product with no revenue to book for the quarter.
60GB airPod?
For the sake of "let's read into things too much" .... on the dutch apple store, if I buy an iPod, it offers me a list of accesories I can buy with my iPod. All of them have a relation to the iPod, being your usual cases, Griffin, Belkin, etc. stuff.
And at the top of the list .... is the Airport Express. Hmm, could that be a sign of Airport/Airtunes support on the new iPod?
Probably not. The US store doesn't do it. But a guy can wish, can he not?
For the sake of "let's read into things too much" .... on the dutch apple store, if I buy an iPod, it offers me a list of accesories I can buy with my iPod. All of them have a relation to the iPod, being your usual cases, Griffin, Belkin, etc. stuff.
And at the top of the list .... is the Airport Express. Hmm, could that be a sign of Airport/Airtunes support on the new iPod?
Probably not. The US store doesn't do it. But a guy can wish, can he not?
What I can picture appearing is a sleeve that attaches to an iPod much in the same way accessories are added to HP iPaqs. It would plug into the dock connector, contain its own battery, and send the iPod's digital output through an on-board Apple Lossless encoder and out to WiFi. The extra bulk would be okay here (and there wouldn't be much, WiFi already fits into PC Cards with room to spare), this accessory wouldn't be very useful outside the home. If done right, it could support all of 3G, mini and 4G. A firmware modification to support selecting a zeroconf target from the iPod's menu would be needed, but everything else the iPod needs is already there.gadg said: