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68.7% updated to IOS7 but many discontented
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I think a lot of people don't want a lot of customization - they want it to work easily and simply -which is what Apple tries to give people. If you look at the threads here many can't deal with the non-customized software so imagine the problems a lot would have with customized so every screen and every user has different look and different features. Think of the complexity for application developers to have to deal with totally customized phones.
I can't understand the mindset of people who want to take everything given to them and change it.
I'm saying this from an unbiased view because I own an iPhone 5 and a Galaxy S4. I'm sure everyone is going to say ENJOY ANDROID or whatever but seriously, I prefer Android for the customizable factor. Sure I miss the fluidity and smoothness of iOS. Android has tons of flaws as well, but the fact that it is MY phone and I altered it to a way that's more useful to ME makes me like the experience of using my S4 more then my IP5.
My grandfather is using the same phone as my little sister with the only difference being the wallpaper. This should not be the case..
I understand what Apple is trying to do making it easy for people to use, less confusion etc but making it not customizable at all isn't the answer, although making it as customizable as Android may be bad as well. They need something in the middle, maybe the ability to change the color of texts in the Messages app, allowing users to customize what icons are in control center and other small things like that.
They HAD TO change the design or else people would be complaining iOS 7 is stale. However if iOS 7 was at least able to be altered to each specific user's liking slightly, then I think there would be a lot less complaints. For example, being able to slow down or speed up the animations(like on android.)
I guess in the end I just wish I could have an iPhone with a big screen and full control like Android, but with the smoothness of iOS 😛.
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I know quite a few people who range from disliking to hating the new design. For me, it's just different, not better or worse. There are things I liked in iOS 6 and things I like in iOS 7. I'm not switching back though.
Troneas
macrumors 65816
i'm sorry but most people don't have an excuse.
iOS 7 was shown to the public in MAY this year and has been on the news and forums since.
did people really expect it would be something else when they received it?
the minute the presentation of iOS 7 ended i knew i wasn't getting neither iOS 7 nor the iphone 5S/C/X/Q/B...
iOS 7 was shown to the public in MAY this year and has been on the news and forums since.
did people really expect it would be something else when they received it?
the minute the presentation of iOS 7 ended i knew i wasn't getting neither iOS 7 nor the iphone 5S/C/X/Q/B...
Count Blah
macrumors 68040
And that right there is the direction Apple is going, that is turning off lots of people. Giving customers options is quickly disappearing from Apple's product lineup. The movement of iMac to not allow upgrades, due to the desire to make the iMac thinner of all things, along with the glued in RAM and proprietary SSDs in the rMBPs is also greatly limiting customer choice.
The lament of the fanboi is that you simply do it Apple's way, or hit the highway. Customers are better served by choice. Why? Because you can chose to go with the default/what is pushed by Apple. If you are not given any choices, then your only choice is to look for alternatives to Apple. You see that with screen size in the iPhone, you see it with inability to customize iOS, no multiple user logins. And that is just the iPhone/iOS. Move it to the Mac side, and you have many other examples.
Again, the fanboi response will be - ZOMG APPLE IN THE 90s!!!! Lots of choices = death to Apple!!!! Given an unintelligent approach, you are correct. Allowing an intelligent approach(allow minimal customization for iOS layout), would work, since you can simply IGNORE it.
I don't think the majority of people that own iPhones think like us and the rest of the Macrumors community. They should've done research and seen if they wanted to update or not but most people just don't think like us.
Many of my friends came to me saying they hate it, bring me back to iOS 6, or had other complaints. I asked why they even updated then and they said everyone else did it and their phone said they had an update so they blindly updated without knowing or caring what it was all about.
My father was about to update but asked me first, he's not very computer savvy but he loves his jailbreak for BiteSMS and a few other apps. If I wasn't here to direct him and help him make a decision on what is more important to him, he would've updated blindly and possibly disliked it like everyone else too.
In all, YES people should have researched and seen if they wanted to update first. Apple made it very very clear iOS 7 is different. Most people just don't think like us, their phone isn't an important factor until something goes wrong.
borostef
macrumors 6502
No... But I was still hoping... When I saw iOS7 for the first time I couldn't believe it... I couldn't believe that Apple would release an OS that looked like that...
We are (at least as of now ) an everything apple family. We tend to be open to new ideas and redesigns and adopted ios 7 right away. To be honest this redesign simply reflects a desperate move to stay on the curve. Total redesign of a well refined UI for the sake of redesign is not effective change management. MS has learnt it the hard way with the "start" button.
I am sure ppl will get used to it, just like some ppl got used to product like lotus notes, windows "whatever" etc. Till some one comes up with a more meaningful design not driven by business needs but by some meaningful design philosophy. I am like many others will now start considering other options. Just looking at their product refresh times as per MR buying guide tell me there is something missing. This was inevitable and this is happening and this "upgrade" simply affirms the drift.
I am sure ppl will get used to it, just like some ppl got used to product like lotus notes, windows "whatever" etc. Till some one comes up with a more meaningful design not driven by business needs but by some meaningful design philosophy. I am like many others will now start considering other options. Just looking at their product refresh times as per MR buying guide tell me there is something missing. This was inevitable and this is happening and this "upgrade" simply affirms the drift.
The problem with iOS 7 is just that is has lost usability for the sake of a graphical artist's likes.
It's clear that pre-iOS-7 has made excessive use of skeumorphism in areas where it's just used for decoration without any benefits for the user. That's considered bad design. But on the other hand it was used in clever ways in many iOS features supporting the user in linking his mental model about an item or a process to the conceptual model of iOS's representation of that thing.
iOS 7 on the other hand has exaggerated the let's-get-rid-of-skeumorphism-design. They have not only removed all skeumorphistic eye candy, but although many hints on how to use the interface. Buttons are not buttons any more, sliders became stacks of text etc.
For example compare the new voice recorder app with the one from iOS 6. It's skeumorphistic, but much easier to understand for the average user.
My mother for example could easily use my iPad with iOS 6. I doubt that she would be as fast or happy on iOS 7.
It's clear that pre-iOS-7 has made excessive use of skeumorphism in areas where it's just used for decoration without any benefits for the user. That's considered bad design. But on the other hand it was used in clever ways in many iOS features supporting the user in linking his mental model about an item or a process to the conceptual model of iOS's representation of that thing.
iOS 7 on the other hand has exaggerated the let's-get-rid-of-skeumorphism-design. They have not only removed all skeumorphistic eye candy, but although many hints on how to use the interface. Buttons are not buttons any more, sliders became stacks of text etc.
For example compare the new voice recorder app with the one from iOS 6. It's skeumorphistic, but much easier to understand for the average user.
My mother for example could easily use my iPad with iOS 6. I doubt that she would be as fast or happy on iOS 7.
I liked all the animation at first, but after the thousandth zoom, it starting to wear on me. As a designer of my own hardware and software (not computer related), it's clear that all the new elements are holding to a new vision, like minimizing the interface to reveal the content. But there really is no content on the home page and the wallpaper needn't be 'revealed'.
My take is that the hardware guy (ive) is used to pushing simplicity and is normally naturally limited by what can be done with the physical (aluminum and plastic). The harder he pushed, the better, with the result squeezed between what he wanted and what was possible. Tasked with software design and working without limits, he didn't know when to stop. With software, anything is possible.
Hopefully 7.1 can back off a bit, find a better balance. The only real issue is disallowing downgrades. But at least now we know why they don't.
My take is that the hardware guy (ive) is used to pushing simplicity and is normally naturally limited by what can be done with the physical (aluminum and plastic). The harder he pushed, the better, with the result squeezed between what he wanted and what was possible. Tasked with software design and working without limits, he didn't know when to stop. With software, anything is possible.
Hopefully 7.1 can back off a bit, find a better balance. The only real issue is disallowing downgrades. But at least now we know why they don't.
iOS 7 has been the only version that's been re-designed, so in that regard, there's nothing to compare it to. 😕
musika
macrumors 65816
gotluck
macrumors 603
There doesn't have to be a tradeoff. Just give us a jailbreak and well sign away warranty whatever, so we Dont have to wait a year for the jailbreak. There is no tradeoff currently. All we are looking for is read write access. The community will gladly and already has created the options.
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I hate when other people can make decisions for themselves too.
BaldiMac
macrumors G3
🙄 I'm sure you've considered all the repercussions of that one.
Again, you can't change a fundamental part of the Apple's design process and expect nothing else to change.
And yet here you are arguing to take away someone else's decision.
I did Upgrade, but I still do provide helpful information on how to avoid Upgrading for those people who hate IOS 7. My social worker was NOT very exited when I told him there was already a 7.0.2 and that a 7.0.3 is on the way.
edhchoe
macrumors 65816
We have to slow down the rate and start the MOVEMENT in the other direction.
I have to log out for an hour. My battery is getting low. I won't last thru the day at this rate!!
More posts in a bit.
Animations impress and entertain Apple's young target market. It's just another example of Apple's priorities and ability to charge big margins. It's a long standing very successful practice.
jbyun04
macrumors 6502a
Everything you mentioned in the first paragraph is ALWAYS what Apple has been about. User upgradeable, restricting choice, thinner and lighter, these are all things that have been a part of the company since the very beginning.
They do offer "choice" but it's usually restricted to colours (if that) and very basic options.
Look at the aesthetics of Apple products, just about everybody hates getting a scratch or mark on it because it only looks awesome when it's brand new.
That should tell you just about everything: they don't want users upgrading to make it last longer, they want them to buy the latest. Their old products? Make it so it work's *just* good enough and maybe you'll bait those folks into buying your flagship.
It's a combined mindset of business and design: make more money by selling new products and "we decide what's best for the user".
To anybody that bought into Apple's eco-system hoping otherwise, I don't know what to tell you. Prior to getting buying any Apple device, you had the choice of picking from hundreds of Android devices / customizable PCs.
Count Blah
macrumors 68040
Sorry jbyun04, that is NOT how apple has always been. The company was founded with an open architecture, while IBM was totally closed. It wasn't until the machintosh(actually the IIc, if memory serves, was pretty closed as well) that Apple locked it all down.
In Steves second go-round with the company, the towers that were sold were amazingly open and upgradable. Heck, you could even upgrade the CPU. That design morphed into the Mac Pro, with the release of the iMac and Mac Mini, but even those were upgradable for many years.
There is a reason Macs retain their value for so many years - Quality products and the ability to be usable with upgrades for many years longer than wintel machines.
It's not until recently that Apple has REALLY hamstrung it's users by making things so thin that components have been glued and soldered in. The influx of the iProduct folks don't care about upgradeable Macs, but many long time Mac users are lamenting the path Apple is taking.
The quest for thinner, lighter, even in the desktops 😱 products exclusively is a downturn for user choice. It's not always been that way with Apple, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.
In Steves second go-round with the company, the towers that were sold were amazingly open and upgradable. Heck, you could even upgrade the CPU. That design morphed into the Mac Pro, with the release of the iMac and Mac Mini, but even those were upgradable for many years.
There is a reason Macs retain their value for so many years - Quality products and the ability to be usable with upgrades for many years longer than wintel machines.
It's not until recently that Apple has REALLY hamstrung it's users by making things so thin that components have been glued and soldered in. The influx of the iProduct folks don't care about upgradeable Macs, but many long time Mac users are lamenting the path Apple is taking.
The quest for thinner, lighter, even in the desktops 😱 products exclusively is a downturn for user choice. It's not always been that way with Apple, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.
gotluck
macrumors 603
The repercussions are that the approximate one year delay on the release of a jailbreak would be removed.
We will never agree that's fine.
I Dont see how increased flexibility hurts those that want total stock. Do you want a lockdown on osx too?
BaldiMac
macrumors G3
That's one.
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That's my point. You don't see the trade offs. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
There's a loaded question! Like everything else, it depends on the tradeoffs.