68.7% updated to IOS7 but many discontented

[gotluck]

That's one.







That's my point. You don't see the trade offs. That doesn't mean they don't exist.



There's a loaded question! Like everything else, it depends on the tradeoffs.

Meh I give up.
I wonder if you enjoy these restrictive, essentially socialist policies in other aspects of your life.

 

[BaldiMac]

I wonder if you enjoy these restrictive, essentially socialist policies in other aspects of your life.

Socialist? Now you are just throwing around loaded words. (And a funny choice since you are in favor of infringing on a company's property rights.)

Do you not pay people to make decisions for you? Or do you design your own hammer from scratch at Alternate Home Depot?

 

[gotluck]

Socialist? Now you are just throwing around loaded words. (And a funny choice since you are in favor of infringing on a company's property rights.)

Do you not pay people to make decisions for you? Or do you design your own hammer from scratch at Alternate Home Depot?

I'm arguing that the property rights are infringing on the users rights due to precedence in the computing industry for the ability to install applications of your choosing.

I fail to see any appropriate real world analogies. Software is simply different.

 

[BaldiMac]

I'm arguing that the property rights are infringing on the users rights due to precedence in the computing industry for the ability to install applications of your choosing.

So, basically, you are arguing that your made up rights should take precedence over someone else's actual right? Huh.

 

[gotluck]

So, basically, you are arguing that your made up rights should take precedence over someone else's actual right? Huh.

Whatever I'm not a lawyer. Regardless, in iOS specifically ,the user has significantly less rights than other computer OS's

 

[BaldiMac]

Whatever I'm not a lawyer. Regardless, in iOS specifically ,the user has significantly less rights than other computer OS's

No, they have the same rights, give or take some licensing terms. iOS simply doesn't have some features that you would like.

 

[gotluck]

No, they have the same rights, give or take some licensing terms. iOS simply doesn't have some features that you would like.

Oh the features are there, I'm just not allowed to access them. We are talking about read write access on a ssd here.

I know you know the filesystem is all there just like OSX.

 

[Troneas]

The repercussions are that the approximate one year delay on the release of a jailbreak would be removed.

We will never agree that's fine.

I Dont see how increased flexibility hurts those that want total stock. Do you want a lockdown on osx too?

not even android gives you root access.


the open nature of that OS and not having a company like apple breathing down your neck by pushing an update on your device right away permits users to gain root access faster and easier.



i have read all your responses in this thread thus far and you are talking about two very different things.

you want more customisation options and perhaps even more sources to get your apps / tweaks from but you do not NEED root access for this.

you compare the iphone with a Mac but do you really go tweaking your Mac's system files? Perhaps you are in the minority who do but to most people, this is a non-issue and are happy to leave the OS as is.

its how the architecture of iOS is designed that bothers you, not the lack of a jailbreak.

as en example, i can totally revamp the looks of my android device from the HS to the LS, including layout, widgets, themes and icons WITHOUT rooting. why? because the OS allows the apps more flexibility. its the apps that make the changes, not me.


it would be a nightmare for any company to allow easy root access to their phones' OS by clueless users who don't know what they are doing (and not so clueless but distracted or clumsy users).

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

See here:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/08/apple-ios-7-update-iphone-problems-headaches

I think even the most pro IOS7 fans would have to agree it does have great features but really one has to ask if they went too far in the redesign. My small gripe compared to IOS6 is the photo album too and camera it doesn't make full use of the full 4" screen. I'm sure they say it does make better use but for me it doesn't.

You have no numbers to support that "many" are discontented. There are millions of iPhone and iPad owners who are completely happy and do not complain about it.

Also, the camera app did NOT use the full screen in iOS 6 either, but now because everyone has a complaint about iOS 7 apparently it's a big deal.

 

[Troneas]

You have no numbers to support that "many" are discontented. There are millions of iPhone and iPad owners who are completely happy and do not complain about it.

Also, the camera app did NOT use the full screen in iOS 6 either, but now because everyone has a complaint about iOS 7 apparently it's a big deal.

i spotted a contradiction here.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

i spotted a contradiction here.

sorry, I should have clarified, everyone on these forums seems to have a complaint.

However, these forums DO NOT represent, or even come close to representing actual iPhone/iPad users

 

[gotluck]

not even android gives you root access.


the open nature of that OS and not having a company like apple breathing down your neck by pushing an update on your device right away permits users to gain root access faster and easier.



i have read all your responses in this thread thus far and you are talking about two very different things.

you want more customisation options and perhaps even more sources to get your apps / tweaks from but you do not NEED root access for this.

you compare the iphone with a Mac but do you really go tweaking your Mac's system files? Perhaps you are in the minority who do but to most people, this is a non-issue and are happy to leave the OS as is.

its how the architecture of iOS is designed that bothers you, not the lack of a jailbreak.

as en example, i can totally revamp the looks of my android device from the HS to the LS, including layout, widgets, themes and icons WITHOUT rooting. why? because the OS allows the apps more flexibility. its the apps that make the changes, not me.


it would be a nightmare for any company to allow easy root access to their phones' OS by clueless users who don't know what they are doing (and not so clueless but distracted or clumsy users).

Yes indeed, it is a pipedream to get root access on iOS out of the gate, even with waivers signed by the customer.

I don't think it is so unreasonable as a user to expect the ability to install other nonroot apps subject to your own approval, similar to traditional full size OS's. I would argue it should be a basic right in computers. But definitely hide it deep in settings and offer stern warnings.

Root access is really trivial on developer/particular unlocked android phones though. If there was a developer iPhone model (similar to android its the same phone but with the unlocked bootloader switch set to "on") with greater privileges, you would hear no complaints from me.

 

[eljanitor]

I think they tried to make it look similar to the Android GUI. I don't think there was anything wrong with the look of the GUI in iOS6. I'm not so sure that I like the fact that my text messages are no longer going through to some people since I upgraded (downgraded) to iOS7. Unfortunately I'm not the only person whos had this problem, and I don't like having to constantly hard reset my iPhone because some line of code is screwed up. Ive asked my other friends who have upgraded to iOS7 if they've been having that issue, and I was told that and much more.

Fix it Apple. Fix it now.

 

[Dave.UK]

Imagine if ios7 was opened up and customisation was allowed. You could have an ios6 theme pack whilst still retaining all the features of ios7.

How would that be a trade off?

 

[Nick A]

I think the answer to almost every question is this thread, just wait patiently for the jailbreak ..

 

[edhchoe]

I was debating with myself whether to wait and see ipad mini 2 or buy galaxy note 3. When I realized iOS 7 will be on ipad mini2,3,4,5,6... I placed an order for a note 3. It will be here tomorrow!!!!!!

 

[Zwhaler]

Note 2 owner here. Got iPhone 5 and 4S in the building. iOS 7 is meh. So flat, they were trying to be different but ended up making the OS pretty uninteresting in my opinion. I see there's a lot of room for design growth, but they REALLY need to fix the animations. The fact that I can't activate quick settings while opening an app, (during animations), bugs me because Android has been doing it so well for years.

Trying to close apps one at a time as slow as it makes you do it even on the 5S? Give me a break. They didn't even add a close all button. It took me almost a minute to close every app on the 5S in the Sprint store. Fail! With Apple... people never seem to be very happy with what's out and always bet on the next year redesign to fix things. Well, there's always next year....

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I was debating with myself whether to wait and see ipad mini 2 or buy galaxy note 3. When I realized iOS 7 will be on ipad mini2,3,4,5,6... I placed an order for a note 3. It will be here tomorrow!!!!!!

You're about to be blown away!

 

[SusanK]

One person in the wild likes it

As of today I have only encountered one person int the wild who likes iOS7. She's a barista at the local Starbucks. First iPhone and she is very young. I think the bubblegum pink with her pink bumper does it for her.

All others in any age range usually respond with "I hate it". The most positive comment I've heard was 'It's OK but iOS 6 was better".

Today was an annual physical. The doctor said he hates it. He needs it for his practice and is very dissatisfied. No battery drain for him but other issues.

I am talking with normal folks who do not spend all day online prognosticating about Apple's next move. No Cook v Steve debates. People who buy a phone for the function. They expect intuitive ease of use from Apple. The it just works folks.

Apple dropped the ball on this one. I wish it were different but it's not.

I have not updated because I don't care for the aesthetics. Glad I didn't like the look or I may be in the I hate it group.

I hope Cook & Co. accept the fact that this update is not well received and make the necessary remedies. So far my impression of Tim Cook is that he is very diplomatic and wants to get things done to the customer's satisfaction.

 

[Mike in Kansas]

The only person who I have encountered "in real life" who DOESN'T like iOS7 is a 60 year old technophobe that I used to work with (she just retired). She also "can't figure out OSX" nor can take her DSLR out of "auto". Everyone else I know (my kids, spouse, coworkers, family friends ranging in age from mid-30's to mid-60's, my son's classmates at college, the clerk at Advanced Auto near me) are either ambivalent or positive. The only rage I have encountered is on here or other tech/fan sites. Go figure...

 

[Kentuckienne]

I updated to IOS7 knowing that it was uglier, but from what I'd read hoped the new functionality would compensate. Today it's the small things that are infuriating. Like, when a call comes in: no more tapping "answer" on the screen - you have to swipe. That requires rebalancing the phone in the hand, changing grip to get a thumb on top. In the previous version you could easily manage the phone one-handed. What possible rational explanation exists for making something so simple so much more difficult physically?

 

[MWPULSE]

I think iOS7 is a great update, I was quite happy with iOS6 before hand, and felt that it was a good solid OS (I musta been one of the very few who liked it before, and after based on cursory glances through all the threads on here and Appleinsider... lol)

iOS7 has taken some getting used to, some muscle memory taps have to be changed, for instance to save an image from a text it took me a coupla minutes s'evening figure it out.

I like the new control centre, thats very handy for me going out a bit in between the house, work and other places. I can turn Wifi off quicker now. I like the idea of Airdrop, I haven't had much use for it, yet, but I anticipate I will do when Mavericks arrives

I do also like app auto-update, thats a seriously neat feature, which I have disabled over my cellular network, works great on wifi. (so good in fact that I didn't even realise that it had updated a good 50% of the apps on my phone, but i had forgotten to download em on my laptop, I have hardly used my laptop since getting iOS7)

I am convinced that the UI elements will be sorted as time goes on... Peoples gotta bear in mind this is still a primitive OS its a .0.3 release! and yet its this solid? anyone can see its a big upgrade over the previous version, with a lot of new technology underlining the principles in the software.
Beyond that, there is the extensive UI change, which love it or hate it, is here to stay! I really like the clean look and feel of the OS in general, there are some elements which can change over time to make them more subtle, or more obvious to users. Johnny Ive, is good but not that good to get it all perfectly right the first time.



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As of today I have only encountered one person int the wild who likes iOS7. She's a barista at the local Starbucks. First iPhone and she is very young. I think the bubblegum pink with her pink bumper does it for her.

/snip

Well, thats all fine n dandy, but on the flipside I have see plenty of my friends n acquaintances who like it. The 2 or 3 people who have iPhones at work quite like it.

A lot of my friends from around and about the place have enjoyed using it thus far too.

At the end of the day, this update is a polarising one. A lot of people are gonna be very iffy about it and will kick up an almighty fuss. Where as the people who love it, won't be talking about it, they will be using it, unless of course you are on these forums, in which case you either loath it, or love it (and either of those parties will prolly be pretty vocal about their emotions on such things) One or tuther really!

At the end of the day 10-12 months ago, all I ever saw online was wahhhh Apple needs to update its iOS, it looks dated, it looks old, it looks bland, boring.

A month ago they made it look fresh, interesting and unique, and yet... people still complain.
Cant keep everyone happy...
Go Figure...

 

[BaldiMac]

I updated to IOS7 knowing that it was uglier, but from what I'd read hoped the new functionality would compensate. Today it's the small things that are infuriating. Like, when a call comes in: no more tapping "answer" on the screen - you have to swipe. That requires rebalancing the phone in the hand, changing grip to get a thumb on top. In the previous version you could easily manage the phone one-handed. What possible rational explanation exists for making something so simple so much more difficult physically?

You've always had to swipe to answer a locked iPhone.

 

[Tubamajuba]

You've always had to swipe to answer a locked iPhone.

Yes, but iOS 7 is different and it sucks and Android is better and Apple is doomed and pastel and too flat and etc. etc. etc.

 

[djtech42]

I would say it is very polarizing, which isn't surprising given the fact that it is so different from previous versions of iOS. It will grow on people though and improve over time.

 

[CB1234]

I would say it is very polarizing, which isn't surprising given the fact that it is so different from previous versions of iOS. It will grow on people though and improve over time.

And people will stop moaning, etc etc....

Amen to that....