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No, they can't release a current gen processor because it goes against their entire storage price point.

First off, that kind of storage is stupid cheap. Secondly, the storage and the processor don't correlate together in terms of profit as they are two different components.

Don't you ever wonder why it costs $100 for an extra measly 16GB?

It's not that I never saw or disagreed with the point of Apple making money from added capacity. I understand this principle very well as it dictates the cost of every iOS device I own and I own quite a few these days.

This said, it has very little to do with your argument of keeping the costs on such a device down by using an older processor, hence my inclination to disagree and/or not take you seriously. Though the boldfaced word below doesn't help either.

That is where they make insane profits and what makes the iPod Touch a bargain compared to other i -devices. iTouch cannot exceed $400 because no one is going to pay that for an iPod.

Apple doesn't need to up the cost on an iPod touch to up the CPU. Apple does this all of the time with iPhones, iPads, and now iPad minis. The prices of which don't change from generation to generation (iPad minis being the only exception to this rule so far).

This device is geared towards teens who need storage for multimedia.

I'm sorry, but what teen in 2013 can't just get an iPhone with that kind of storage at the same price point? It's geared towards anyone who either can't or won't get an iPhone. Not just teens who, for whatever reason, can't get an iPhone.

The price much match the market and it is already at the high end.

Compared to what products? Aside from the ever-flat-selling Samsung Galaxy Player, I don't believe there are any serious competitors in the non-smartphone smartphone-OS-based personal media player market and therefore it is a market that Apple can completely dictate pricing on. Though please correct me if I am wrong.

The A7 released next year will run anything in the App Store just fine for another two years.

Being behind like that blows as it shaves one year off of the life cycle of an already disposable device. How do you not appreciate that?
 
Apple doesn't need to up the cost on an iPod touch to up the CPU. Apple does this all of the time with iPhones, iPads, and now iPad minis. The prices of which don't change from generation to generation (iPad minis being the only exception to this rule so far).

Well they upped the price of the iPad mini from $329 to $400. The only difference is $400 gets you the new CPU as opposed to the one from last year in the first model. That debunks that claim.

I'm sorry, but what teen in 2013 can't just get an iPhone with that kind of storage at the same price point? It's geared towards anyone who either can't or won't get an iPhone. Not just teens who, for whatever reason, can't get an iPhone.

I'm sorry, but most parents are not willing to buy their kids a new iPhone. If they get one it is usually a hand-me down from their last upgrade. Those iPhones usually have 16GB compared to 32GB for the iTouch. Who can't afford it? hmmm,

iTouch 5G 32GB = $300
iPhone 5 32GB = $600

What kid can afford $600? What relative is going to spend that on a gift? Half the price opens up many more doors for purchase. Not being tied to a contract doubles that yet again.

Compared to what products? Aside from the ever-flat-selling Samsung Galaxy Player, I don't believe there are any serious competitors in the non-smartphone smartphone-OS-based personal media player market and therefore it is a market that Apple can completely dictate pricing on. Though please correct me if I am wrong.

Galaxy player, Galaxy Tab, Arcos, Zune... not to mention any disconnected smartphone. There are a few million people with the Freedompop cradle that competes with phones then there are people that prefer it over tablets. The market reach of the iTouch is vast which is why 100 million have been sold.

Being behind like that blows as it shaves one year off of the life cycle of an already disposable device. How do you not appreciate that?

If you have no problem paying premium, get yourself an iPhone. Apple doesn't want iTouch to cut into that or the iPad. This is a device aimed at teens who will likely smash it within two years and get another or move on to the iPhone. It is an introductory device to get people hooked on iOS. How do you not appreciate it for what it is?
 
Well they upped the price of the iPad mini from $329 to $400. The only difference is $400 gets you the new CPU as opposed to the one from last year in the first model. That debunks that claim.


Well, that and a retina display...but okay...

Even then, we're talking a $70 price increase. Are you telling me that if Apple raised their price on the 32GB/64GB models to accomodate a faster processor (which they wouldn't necessarily have to do, but let's just roll with it) by $70 at most, that no one would bite? I'll bet you anything you're wrong there.



I'm sorry, but most parents are not willing to buy their kids a new iPhone. If they get one it is usually a hand-me down from their last upgrade.

I'm sorry, but where are your numbers to both support this and to contradict the vast number of kids I've seen with iPhones?

Those iPhones usually have 16GB compared to 32GB for the iTouch. Who can't afford it? hmmm,

iTouch 5G 32GB = $300
iPhone 5 32GB = $600

What kid can afford $600?.

What kid buys a phone out of contract? Obviously you're only referring to junior drug dealers; not exactly an accurate sampling of all technologically endowed children at large. A 32GB iPhone 5 would've been $300 just like the touch. And if a kid is to have both a cell phone and an iPod touch, why are they not having an iPhone, especially as parents depend more and more on smartphones to keep track of where their children are?

What relative is going to spend that on a gift?

You might want to send your suggestions to Apple Retail; it sounds like they're doing it all wrong.

Half the price opens up many more doors for purchase. Not being tied to a contract doubles that yet again.

Your first point is right, but out of place. Your second point is not only right, but irrefutable, and I'm not even being sarcastic.



Galaxy player

When was the last time you saw someone with one of those?

Galaxy Tab

That's a tablet and thusly not a fair comparison.


Again, when was the last time you saw anyone with one of those?


Discontinued for good three years ago. Nice try though.

... not to mention any disconnected smartphone.

Doesn't this sort of defeat your argument a tad?

There are a few million people with the Freedompop cradle that competes with phones then there are people that prefer it over tablets. The market reach of the iTouch is vast which is why 100 million have been sold.


First off, for crap's sake, it's an iPod touch not an iTouch!

Secondly, going back to topic, raising the price nominally (which wouldn't be necessary, but I'll humor you here anyway) would not take it out of competition with all of the various non-competitors that you have just listed.


If you have no problem paying premium, get yourself an iPhone. Apple doesn't want iTouch to cut into that or the iPad. This is a device aimed at teens who will likely smash it within two years and get another or move on to the iPhone.

Oh is it? Funny, that's not what their marketing suggests. Besides, if that's the case, then why do I - someone who is neither a teen, nor an iPhone user, but still the owner of a smartphone owner - own two of them?


It is an introductory device to get people hooked on iOS. How do you not appreciate it for what it is?

Oh I appreciate it plenty for what it is. I have been a devout iPod touch owner since the first generation. I just don't agree with your assertions nor do I feel the logic you are using to defend them is valid. That's all.
 
Compared to what products? Aside from the ever-flat-selling Samsung Galaxy Player, I don't believe there are any serious competitors in the non-smartphone smartphone-OS-based personal media player market and therefore it is a market that Apple can completely dictate pricing on. Though please correct me if I am wrong.
You are right in that there are not many. Cowon is about the only one I can think of that may have something to compare to. But while they are considered to be superior sounding players, the implementation of either Android or their own OS (which is only for controlling the player, no apps), has been very disappointing. Not to mention their customer service and product support is less than stellar.

So while the iPod Touch is not the best sounding player, and not really that good IMO, in terms of overall user experience with all the apps, web browsing, email, and ereader capabilities, it more than makes up for the short comings in sound and there really is nothing that can compare. It really is too bad the Zune is no more and there are no other products to compete.

For me, I prefer to have my music player as a separate device from my smartphone, which is why I have an iPod Touch (4G). I was hoping the 6G would be out this fall since my home button no longer works, even after having it replaced. I will likely use my wife's iPhone 4(?) once her contract is up to get me through until the 6G iPod Touch comes out.
 
Didn't you just hear it? :rolleyes:

Actually, the person who said it, had admitted that he didn't have a Touch 5 but was basing IOS 7 performance off of a iPhone 4S.

I would still like to hear from an iPod Touch 5 owner who thinks IOS 7 doesn't run great on a Touch 5.

and not really that good IMO, in terms of overall user experience with all the apps, web browsing, email, and ereader capabilities.

I'm assuming that you are basing this off of your Touch 4 and not the Touch 5 ?
 
My prediction IF the touch is still around

Same storage options but the 16gb will be previous gen
A7 and 1gb ram
8mp camera with slo mo
same front camera
no touch ID
 
Actually, the person who said it, had admitted that he didn't have a Touch 5 but was basing IOS 7 performance off of a iPhone 4S.

I would still like to hear from an iPod Touch 5 owner who thinks IOS 7 doesn't run great on a Touch 5.



I'm assuming that you are basing this off of your Touch 4 and not the Touch 5 ?

iOS 7.0.4 runs perfectly fine on iPod touch 5th gen, and I am testing 7.1 and also see that the device runs VERY well, even better than the initial iOS 7.x releases.
 
A6/7 chip, M7 chip, 1gb RAM, up to 128gb flash storage, 4.3 retina display, 2mp facetime camera, 5/8 mp back camera, b/g/n/ac wifi support, bluetooth 4.0, and touch ID. Why? Remember Apple is planning to make a gaming device to compete with Sony and Nintendo? I bet they'll make ipod touch in their front line. I include touch id for easier iTunes game app and music purchasing. M7 along side A6 or A7 for better graphics support. Up to 128gb flash memory to accommodate both games and music. Plus you see the accessories made for Apple devices for gaming? The controller? Just my two cents.
 
iPod Touch 6

Like lots of people you are probably keeping there 4th Gen. iPod to see if the 6th Gen. will be better. I don't now wen it coming out but i hope its better because my 4th Gen. is getting very slow and i dont have much stuff (some contacts, 10 games and its a 32gb iPod Touch :apple: .
 
3G/4G models. Why? Today, the ipod is almost COMPLETELY dependent on Wifi. Wanna play your Clash Of Clans in the car driving for hours? Nope. Want to update and make documents for your company while on the go? Nope. Want to Shazam that awesome song by Robin Thicke you just heard on the radio? NOPE! Come on Apple, lets step up the game.
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They have these they call them iPhones. Sorry just no point the amount it would cost to pay for data you might as well have an iPhone.
 
itouch with 4g never gonna happen. That would be an iphone. If you need data just buy a used iphone for the same cost of the itouch. Simple.
 
Like lots of people you are probably keeping there 4th Gen. iPod to see if the 6th Gen. will be better. I don't now wen it coming out but i hope its better because my 4th Gen. is getting very slow and i dont have much stuff (some contacts, 10 games and its a 32gb iPod Touch :apple: .

The 5th gen runs IOS 7 very well and you can buy a refurb to save some money.
 
If the iPT is out in September/October with the new iPhone/Pads, they will be lucky to have an A7 chip.

Expect an A6.

There is no way the next iPT will have a huge A8 chip. The processing power of an A6 in an iPT will be enough. The problem with the iPT is price vs. function. Price has to be low to fit beneath the price structures of iPads. A newer processor whams up the price of the iPT more than anything else. Due to screen size, the iPT doesn't need something extremely fast.
 
If the iPT is out in September/October with the new iPhone/Pads, they will be lucky to have an A7 chip.

Expect an A6.

There is no way the next iPT will have a huge A8 chip. The processing power of an A6 in an iPT will be enough. The problem with the iPT is price vs. function. Price has to be low to fit beneath the price structures of iPads. A newer processor whams up the price of the iPT more than anything else. Due to screen size, the iPT doesn't need something extremely fast.

They will either keep the A5 or move to an A7 this year.
 
My iPhone 4S still runs everything without a hitch - and I mean that not in the way that the iPhone 3G ran iOS 4, but in the sense that it handles everything perfectly fine across the board without a stutter.

It plays the latest games like San Andreas, Tomb Raider, FIFA 14 etc. flawlessly. The iPod Touch 5th gen (obviously) has the same spec as the 4S, and personally I think the 5th gen iPod Touch was priced too highly to really hit the sweet spot, but I understand how it ended up that price.

I'd be perfectly content & would even prefer it if Apple stuck an A6 instead of an A7 in there purely to bring the price down. They'll still have them in a manufacturing process from the 5C so the economies of scale will favour it immensely.

I'm hoping for an A6 $200 iPod Touch in September. Makes the most sense personally.
 
I don't think they will use the A6. Most likely the A7.

I think the A6 is history. I may be wrong though.

Who knows, maybe they will try to pawn of leftover A6 stock on us poor man's iPhone losers :D

(note: only foolish iPhone users think such things)
 
If the iPT is out in September/October with the new iPhone/Pads, they will be lucky to have an A7 chip.

Expect an A6.

There is no way the next iPT will have a huge A8 chip. The processing power of an A6 in an iPT will be enough. The problem with the iPT is price vs. function. Price has to be low to fit beneath the price structures of iPads. A newer processor whams up the price of the iPT more than anything else. Due to screen size, the iPT doesn't need something extremely fast.

With the introduction of the 5C, it makes it difficult for Apple to put an A7 in the next iPod touch. The iPod touch is now taking the third spot in the iOS device hierarchy

1. iPhone (latest gen) & iPad (latest gen)
2. 5C
3. iPod touch
 
New iPod touch? I don't think updating iPods are a priority for apple anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they killed off iPod all together.

That definitely won't happen. The IPT may not be as popular as the iphone or ipad, but it still a good product for consumers looking for an iphone without a contract. Also, look at the mac mini. It definitely doesn't make the same sales as macbooks and desktop systems, but Apple still updates it from time to time. Last update was pretty significant.

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I don't care as long as it comes in colors I like. :p

That, and the removal of the lame loop. Put a radio receiver like the cheaper iPods instead.

I wouldn't care either. The A5 is doing just fine right now so any advancement in the chipset will be a bonus.

What colour do you have?

I have the white a silver. Boring I know. I thought I'd get the pink but in the flesh it didn't look right. At Least the white matches my iPad mini.
 
Like lots of other people I've been hanging onto my 4th gen iPod Touch hoping to skip over the 5th gen to a 6th which hasn't arrived yet. In the end the huge discounts on the Apple online refurbished store won me over and I got a 32Gb 5th gen which, I must say, is gorgeous. I still would have preferred at least an A6 processor but for £179 (28% UK discount) or $219 (26% US discount) I can live with the A5. The camera is good, iOS 7 is lovely and it feels ridiculously thin and light in my hand - completely different from an iPhone - so I can recommend it.

I scored a 64gb 4th gen for $179 last year. Most importantly I use it to watch videos/movies on the TVs at my gym... They have a 30 pin connector and it transfers the video to the 13inch tvs connected to all the cardio machines. Perfect set up for me. Wish they could do that with the 8 Pin but even with an adapter it doesn't work due to apple dropping the analog video out from the connector.
 
I want a 4G model, but i know Carriers will be against it, because mobile plans which include lots of minutes and sms will be affected…
 
I wouldn't care either. The A5 is doing just fine right now so any advancement in the chipset will be a bonus.

What colour do you have?

I have the white a silver. Boring I know. I thought I'd get the pink but in the flesh it didn't look right. At Least the white matches my iPad mini.

I have the pink one. I'm pretty happy with it. I hope they try out some bright colors next time though, as in the 4th generation nano colors.

And yeah, A5 is great.
 
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