You're saying I can buy this chip off ebay for sub $300, and install 1.5TB RAM and it'll work?
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It should do, as the W3245M is one of the family members.
What you need to beware of are those QS CPUs of which there are plenty on eBay at cheap prices. Those can be a lottery.
You can see on this forum the supported CPUs. Be very careful what you purchase.
These same warnings apply to W3265M and W3275M.
What you need to beware of are those QS CPUs of which there are plenty on eBay at cheap prices. Those can be a lottery.
You can see on this forum the supported CPUs. Be very careful what you purchase.
These same warnings apply to W3265M and W3275M.
I didn't know about this CPU until I read about here on the forum.
I searched on the internet and found Intel's documentation about it. And that is why I kept an eye on the CPU on ebay I linked. It has a very good price, compared to the 24 and 28 cores. Which are still very expensive.
But having read more about AI, I am starting to doubt I will use any of it.
It seems like "intelligence" is a complete misnomer. And I will not need 768GB nor 1.5TB RAM without it.
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Why would you suspect that? My tests with the orange warning resulting were of course not with all slots full, they were under the original max tested at only 4 and then 6 slots being used.supposedly the 16 core can take 1TB and the 24/28 core M model CPUs can take 2TB maximum.
I will try 2TB if someone wants to fund the experiment.
I suspect with the 16 core you’ve run into it’s ram limitations.
But what is weird/surprising is that I apparently have 1Tb working on the original apple 16 core when all documentation says max is 768gb. In photoshop it shows 1024 available and the entire amount allocated if desired.
This IS OWC ram though, maybe they did something to allow more ?
I believe the W3245 can do 1TB.
But the W3245M is needed for 1.5TB or the absolute limit of 2TB (8x 256GB DDR4-3200).
You are correct. I was only considering the Mac Pro with 6 or 12 modules. Not with 8 modules, as it is a 6 channel memory system
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Tahoe so far as a developer beta seems to run fine on the 7,1 - both of mine are updated.
Yes, should be fine as long as its PCIe and as long as there's a driver for it.
I use a RME HDSPe AIO that was first launched in early 2009
Thank you for your replies. This is good news. I'll check if the Blackmagic card works, but I see no reason not to since it works in Monterey in my 3,1 when I run Blackmagic apps.
I'm reading a lot of opinions about the 2019 model being a bad idea today when there are faster M-based Macs. I had a look at the 2023 Mac Pro, and fast as it is (and pricey), I was extremely surprised to see how incredibly restricted it is in terms of expandability.
I'm faced with the reality of needing to run film scanners which use Hasselblad's Flexcolor software which only works up to Mojave. So being able to boot into Windows natively would be useful. I have a feeling Windows won't stop support the Intel architecture any time soon.
As for the speed of more modern Macs, well that's progress of course. Then again I'm writing this on my 3,1 which obviously works well too. So I'm thinking that a 7,1 will last me a long time and be very flexible for the uses I have.
I see pretty loaded 12- and 16-core models for 1700-2700 Euros. For that money I could get a Studio M1 Max or M2 Max. They range here in NL from 1200 to 2000 Euro, but I would not then have the expandability and so would need to invest in several Thunderbolt and other cases for my several drives. That would push the cost up towards the loaded 2019 models.
As you can see, I'm very good at convincing myself lol. But I'm seriously leaning towards the 2019. There's just something about it.
I'm reading a lot of opinions about the 2019 model being a bad idea today when there are faster M-based Macs. I had a look at the 2023 Mac Pro, and fast as it is (and pricey), I was extremely surprised to see how incredibly restricted it is in terms of expandability.
I'm faced with the reality of needing to run film scanners which use Hasselblad's Flexcolor software which only works up to Mojave. So being able to boot into Windows natively would be useful. I have a feeling Windows won't stop support the Intel architecture any time soon.
As for the speed of more modern Macs, well that's progress of course. Then again I'm writing this on my 3,1 which obviously works well too. So I'm thinking that a 7,1 will last me a long time and be very flexible for the uses I have.
I see pretty loaded 12- and 16-core models for 1700-2700 Euros. For that money I could get a Studio M1 Max or M2 Max. They range here in NL from 1200 to 2000 Euro, but I would not then have the expandability and so would need to invest in several Thunderbolt and other cases for my several drives. That would push the cost up towards the loaded 2019 models.
As you can see, I'm very good at convincing myself lol. But I'm seriously leaning towards the 2019. There's just something about it.
Have you heard the discussion around Windows LTSC versions? It seems some gamers are starting to use that.
Not everybody is happy with the direction Microsoft is moving.
And we have been discussing it here (Windows LTSC or Linux).
For long term support, this might be the way to go with Windows?
If you know of a shop that sell used company machines, they can be cheaper than on ebay.
I found one here in Sweden a few weeks ago, that I didn't know existed.
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Thank you very much for replying. I hadn't heard from Windows LTSC but it seems a logical development given how often that OS is updated. So that might be something to look into for longevity.
I'm also Swedish but did not know of that shop. Seems rather over priced haha, but perhaps they'll find someone to buy it.
Here in the NL where I live there are quite a few sellers of refurbished Macs. Though I sometimes wonder how honest they are in terms of using the "refurbished" moniker, at least the selection is pretty good for used Macs overall. Mac Pros pop up a bit more rarely as fewer sellers carry them.
Btw cool that you're using that RME HDSPe AIO card. One difference I noticed between the 3,1 and the 7,1 is the latter's lack of audio input options, so I might also add an audio card.
I'm also Swedish but did not know of that shop. Seems rather over priced haha, but perhaps they'll find someone to buy it.
Here in the NL where I live there are quite a few sellers of refurbished Macs. Though I sometimes wonder how honest they are in terms of using the "refurbished" moniker, at least the selection is pretty good for used Macs overall. Mac Pros pop up a bit more rarely as fewer sellers carry them.
Btw cool that you're using that RME HDSPe AIO card. One difference I noticed between the 3,1 and the 7,1 is the latter's lack of audio input options, so I might also add an audio card.
Have you heard the discussion around Windows LTSC versions? It seems some gamers are starting to use that.
Not everybody is happy with the direction Microsoft is moving.
And we have been discussing it here (Windows LTSC or Linux).
For long term support, this might be the way to go with Windows?
If you know of a shop that sell used company machines, they can be cheaper than on ebay.
I found one here in Sweden a few weeks ago, that I didn't know existed.
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And the Windows LTSC story is new to me as well.It is not cheap, but I have not found similar specced Mac Pro 7,1 at that price level (yet). Would have to be in the US perhaps? But for us the shipping and import duties are prohibitively high in Europe, as you know.
I have the two breakout cables for RME HDSPe AIO. So an amazing list of I/O options.
The reason I chose this RME version was that I wanted the optical I/O ports.
I am sure you can find a RME audio card that fits your particular needs. If you are not satisfied with the built in option. And the internal speaker is actually quite good for a desktop machine.
I have a 3,1 as well. With macOS Server for El Capitan on it (last good version). And all my digital music. The 3,1 is so much better for handling music albums etc in iTunes. I don't like the newer Apple Music app versions as much.
I got myself an iMac Mini M1 with 2TB storage, and purchased the Audirvāna Origin app to have it as my main music player connected to my stereo system. But I am not all that happy with the Audirvāna.
As it was sitting next to my stereo, and not connected to the internet, it refused to start when I wanted to to listen to my music.
Turned out it has to call home, and verify the license, by me logging in on my Audirvāna account.
I regret buying Audirvāna Origin. Less so with the M1 mac mini, as it still is a nice little machine.
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Check out Doppler, has an iOS app as well, and can sync files from mac to iOS. It's a little less full-featured than iTunes was, but it's better than Apple Music from a user experience perspective.
Looking for some other info I came across this post which sums up the benefits of an expandable desktop Mac.
My intel 2019 MP is still kicking and just because this year is the last year it will be supported doesn't mean much. Apps will still be supported maybe for a few more years (Pro apps like Adobe) and then we will be required to get on Apple silicon if the time comes.
It does seem a bit slow though in certain things like web browsing, but I think that's just an intel thing. Its still a multi tasking beast.
My M1 Max maxed out MBP feels faster than the Intel especially single core performance.
Mine are the same, I just load them up with more and more and they just chew through the work without a bother.
You might try Brave, etc. From what I can tell, WebKit has been increasingly optimized for Apple Silicon. It's not they are sabotaging Intel (the code is open source so something obvious would be hard to hide) but my guess is that all the Apple developers have Apple Silicon and implicitly optimize for the platform they use day-to-day. Last time I looked at a compilation of benchmark results, recent Chromium browsers did relatively better on Intel and recent WebKit browsers did relatively better on Apple Silicon.
Apple Silicon is the top dog on single core.
I'm keeping a close eye on Orion - webkit derived, iOS version as well, iCloud syncing, and "Other platforms" in the development roadmap, supports back to Mojave.
I've still never felt anything was "slow" on my 7,1... except stuff that feels badly written slow, like finder calculating directory sizes, or renaming files.
Agree that is one of the two browsers I use. It generally runs well though Brave feels a bit snappier on my older Intel systems especially when I have lots of tabs open.
Agree, we hit a point years ago that our browsers, computers, and network speeds were fast enough for most websites to respond instantly. Then those gains seem to have been lost to adware and "lazy" developers. I remember one site some time back that seemed like a simple informational website -- all content was static and could have been rendered just as well with 90s technology -- but just keeping the website open pegged a CPU at 100% (that wouldn't have been noticeable on a Mac Pro but was on my MacBook Air...).
Most local apps run well enough these days and I am suspicious of ones that don't. Today's laptops and desktops rival supercomputers from not that long ago and I already know how responsive they can be with well-written software.
That’s my main issue. Logic Pro X uses a single code for an armed (live) channel. So a few CPU intensive plugs and it’s over. My MBP M3 Max performs much better in that scenario. There’s also a few bottlenecking issues you come across where things a not optimised for Intel anymore.
Very hopeful Apple give us something soon in terms of a tower update.