72% of Enterprise Employees Choose Macs Over PCs, 75% Pick iOS Devices Over Android

[DNichter]

This is obvious. Who wouldn’t expect the majority of people to choose an Apple product over the alternative. For work? Of course. And for free too? Absolutely. Who knows now credible the source, but there’s no doubt in my mind that the majority of our young workforce would choose Apple.

 

[macsimcon]

Not surprising. Even if its not as stable as it was say, ten or fifteen years ago, OS X is still ridiculously more stable than Windows and when you're in enterprise, stability is key in all aspects of business.

You're saying that macOS High Sierra is more stable than Windows 10? I don't think I agree with that. It certainly isn't as usable in enterprise environments due to Apple's substandard SMB implementation. And we've seen a whole raft of crazy bugs in High Sierra: inability to add printers, inability to install updates (whether a standard user or an admin), failure to bind to AD, etc. We can build two different Macs with the same packaging software and end up with different bugs right from the start. I haven't seen that happen with Windows.

Now, I still think Macs are more secure than Windows PCs (and we can argue all day long about why that is), and I think they're easier to use and maintain, but I wouldn't say they're necessarily more stable than PCs under Windows 10.

While we're on the topic, if 70% of enterprise users are choosing Macs over PCs, why haven't we seen a corresponding jump in Mac sales? While the rest of the industry has been down year-over-year, Mac sales have been basically flat, right? Shouldn't Macs be slowly increasing market share if this were true?

 

[pl1984]

You're saying that macOS High Sierra is more stable than Windows 10? I don't think I agree with that. It certainly isn't as usable in enterprise environments due to Apple's substandard SMB implementation. And we've seen a whole raft of crazy bugs in High Sierra: inability to add printers, inability to install updates (whether a standard user or an admin), failure to bind to AD, etc. We can build two different Macs with the same packaging software and end up with different bugs right from the start. I haven't seen that happen with Windows.

Now, I still think Macs are more secure than Windows PCs (and we can argue all day long about why that is), and I think they're easier to use and maintain, but I wouldn't say they're necessarily more stable than PCs under Windows 10.

While we're on the topic, if 70% of enterprise users are choosing Macs over PCs, why haven't we seen a corresponding jump in Mac Sales? While the rest of the industry has been down year-over-year, Mac sales have been basically flat, right? Shouldn't Macs be slowly increasing market share if this were true?

They're not. Safer? Yes, more secure: No.

 

[ksnell]

Three finger drag on track pads (helps prevent carpal tunnel)
Four finger drag between desktops and apps in full screen mode
Simplified app installation
Great screens with high dpi
Backlit keyboards
Fast performance for every day tasks
Excellent integration with iDevices

I'll give you the integration with iDevices and MAYBE the trackpad, but at least for my uses I stay away from a trackpad as much as possible regardless of the computer.

All the hardware stuff is just reliant on your budget, and not specifically related to Apple. App installation may be simpler on Mac but you also lose on customization. Much harder to modify install locations, context menus, etc.

Finder is way less powerful than Windows Explorer, and Apple's SMB share integration is just horrible, to name a couple things.

Shouldn't all computers have fast performance for everyday tasks?

 

[pl1984]

I'll give you the integration with iDevices and MAYBE the trackpad, but at least for my uses I stay away from a trackpad as much as possible regardless of the computer.

All the hardware stuff is just reliant on your budget, and not specifically related to Apple. App installation may be simpler on Mac but you also lose on customization. Much harder to modify install locations, context menus, etc.

Finder is way less powerful than Windows Explorer, and Apple's SMB share integration is just horrible, to name a couple things.

Shouldn't all computers have fast performance for everyday tasks?

App installation on Windows is easy. Go to the App Store and select the application you want to install. Can't get any more easier than that.

 

[0997853]

52 percent of enterprise organizations let employees choose their computers

Even the statistics can be considered rumors.

I think enterprises let people maybe chose between computer models from the same company, but usually they would buy from the same company because they can get them cheaper if they buy in bulk. Also, depending on the IT department, you might be stuck to a certain platform: MS Windows, GNU/Linux, MacOS, or just a mix.


And I like how the person who made this article put the shocking number of 72% in the title without actually saying that it is 72% from the people who can chose (52%), which is 37.44% from all the people working in Enterprises. Some good journalism.

 

[tooltalk]

if the choice is between a crappy PC/laptop and a Mac/Book Pro, I'd choose Apple. But if it comes down to a Dell XPS 15 vs MacBook Pro, my choice would be Dell.

 

[mi7chy]

I guess it depends on industry and job function but virtually all professional engineering software only run on Windows or Linux such as ANSYS, OrCAD, Catia, Creo/Pro-Engineer, Solidworks, etc. to name a few.

https://www.ansys.com/Solutions/Solutions-by-Role/IT-Professionals/Platform-Support

http://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/SystemRequirements.html

https://www.3ds.com/support/hardware-and-software/overview/

https://www.ema-eda.com/resources/l...d-172-2016-hardware-and-software-requirements

https://www.ptc.com/en/products/cad/elements-direct/modeling/express/system-requirements

Even Windows is used in manufacturing Mac computers.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/236...o-of-mac-production-line-running-windows.html

The real reason non-professionals in mom and pop shops choose Macs because they can flip it for more money when they leave the company since those companies don't have a data loss prevention policy and just let a former employee keep the computer without sanitization.

 

[bmot]

And here I thought it was Mac copying the hell from Windows, with High Sierra being flakier than a box of Frosted Flakes.

Yes, MacOS got flakier in recent years, but thats not what i was writing about. I meant the interface and functionality of the system not the stability.

 

[ksnell]

App installation on Windows is easy. Go to the App Store and select the application you want to install. Can't get any more easier than that.

Good point, at least for apps that are in the app store and you don't have to pull off a website.

 

[DevNull0]

So you’re comparing Apple to Ferrari and competitors to Honda?

That right there already says a lot about Apple. That they’re the preferred premium option, if given the option to choose ANYTHING.

Why are you assuming because I don't gushingly love any positive press about apple no matter how false that I am anti-Apple?

I never said Apple was not the premium option, I said that this survey is utter BS. I guess in your world that somehow means I am anti-Apple.

 

[LordVic]

I can assure you that these numbers are extremely picked for sensationalism.
I've worked in Fintech in Canada, for a numerous amounts of Financial institutions. Top to bottom Windows Desktops / Laptops. Windows and Linux servers.

You'll find a MacBook on a desk of an executive or two. But outside of that upper echelon, NOBODy is using Apple in Enterprise like this article suggests.

Heck, the software application i supported (That runs large scale banks), does NOT support MacOS in any shape or form. This is actually quite normal in Enterprise situations with lots of legacy programs that are necessary for business.
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For every person like you that benefits from being free of enterprise IT there are hundreds of people that cause their own issues.

I worked as a system admin at a company that allowed users all admin rights to their machines, the moment we removed that power from end users ticket volume dropped significantly. Certain people can handle that responsibility and do their job better with it, but most just cause their own issues.

Managing a Service Desk for an FI's tech dept. This is why we have that management software, and added "frustrations" some users have.

we lock down and control our machines because we have to. these are work machines. Not the personal machines for users to do whatever they want. They're here to work, not be "comfortable" with. We don't try to impact user experience with it, but sometimes we have to.

First, Alleviates a large portion of tickets due to users doing things they should not. it doesn't matter how "Dumbed down" a user interface can be, or how idiot proof a computer can be. The universe keeps creating a better idiot. So we have to protect our assets.

Second, Security. Want to know why you can't use your USB stick in your work's computer? have no access to push things via ssh / sftp? have no access to any samba shares except th specific ones you're allowed in the ACL? Or why your personal email and cloud storage is blocked... Because our data is business and we cannot provide a single path for it to be stolen. Sorry if this inconveniences your ability to try and listen to music via youtube while you're working. use your phone. We have special wifi just for that.

 

[Tooldog]

This article seems to be straight out of Apple's image control foundry.

 

[sartorius]

I can assure you that these numbers are extremely picked for sensationalism.
I've worked in Fintech in Canada, for a numerous amounts of Financial institutions. Top to bottom Windows Desktops / Laptops. Windows and Linux servers.

You'll find a MacBook on a desk of an executive or two. But outside of that upper echelon, NOBODy is using Apple in Enterprise like this article suggests.

Heck, the software application i supported (That runs large scale banks), does NOT support MacOS in any shape or form. This is actually quite normal in Enterprise situations with lots of legacy programs that are necessary for business.
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Managing a Service Desk for an FI's tech dept. This is why we have that management software, and added "frustrations" some users have.

we lock down and control our machines because we have to. these are work machines. Not the personal machines for users to do whatever they want. They're here to work, not be "comfortable" with. We don't try to impact user experience with it, but sometimes we have to.

First, Alleviates a large portion of tickets due to users doing things they should not. it doesn't matter how "Dumbed down" a user interface can be, or how idiot proof a computer can be. The universe keeps creating a better idiot. So we have to protect our assets.

Second, Security. Want to know why you can't use your USB stick in your work's computer? have no access to push things via ssh / sftp? have no access to any samba shares except th specific ones you're allowed in the ACL? Or why your personal email and cloud storage is blocked... Because our data is business and we cannot provide a single path for it to be stolen. Sorry if this inconveniences your ability to try and listen to music via youtube while you're working. use your phone. We have special wifi just for that.

I have an anecdote as well.

Fortune 50 megacorp I work for with 90,000 employees, 3 years ago had basically zero Macs. Started offering choice of Mac or PC, and there are 20,000 Mac users today.

Our division of 100 people, 3 years ago we didn't have any Macs, but HP and Lenovo clunkers.
Today the split is about 50/50.

The coming of the cloud and mobile absolutely hammered Microsoft's relevance to us. We were a .NET/C++/Win32 shop, and today we are Java/C++/Node.js on Linux on AWS/GCP, with Swift and Java for mobile.

We tried Azure, it has good integration with Microsoft tooling, but cannot compete with AWS or GCP in either price, depth, or reliability.

And the open source ecosystem just works so much smoother on a Mac, WSL is a piece of ****.

 

[zen]

When I read the article, my first impression was: absolutely, 100% not true. In my own experience - yes, it is only anecdotal - Macs/Apple are actually declining in business and enterprise use. Even I have had to ditch my Apple systems (two Macs, a Macbook Pro, and an iPhone) and shift to Windows and Android (specifically, a Samsung Galaxy S9+), in order to continue working with several of my clients.

But then, as others have pointed out, jamf are an Apple enterprise management company, and they've surveyed their own clients, so the results are so skewed as to be worthless.

 

[Sevendaymelee]

You're saying that macOS High Sierra is more stable than Windows 10? I don't think I agree with that.

That's the funny thing about opinions. Every one has one and they're not usually the same. I used Windows from 1995-2014. I got my first MBP that year and it's like going from being a cripple in a wheel chair to an olympic sprinter. Almost no crashes, lag, slowdown... the thing just RUNS. It is still as fast and stable now as the day I got it. It's ridiculously dependable compared to all the Window's machines I've had throughout my life prior and I will never, ever... ever go back.

 

[kingalexthe1st]

Yet you still post on this forum.

It's a free world. Didn't you get the memo?
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So in your focus group of 1, you chose Android? And?

And what? I was one of those given the choice, and I chose S9. No need for the snark.

 

[Duckyduckbumps]

My experience has been that creative-focused industries often lean mac (mostly for historical reputation reasons, not modern advantages). But my largest mac user base these days would be organizational executives. They get what they want, and IT has to catch up, causing headaches due to Apple's lack of enterprise-grade support options. Don't get me wrong, Apple support personnel are great and hardware repair support is usually top-notch, but Apple's toolsets for integration in a Windows world (SMB implementation, policy integration ability) are just nonexistent. The support at this level is "go check the apple support forums that we don't at all monitor or participate in".

There are third parties that offer this stuff for high prices and limited effect, that just don't make sense for organizations that want to test the waters. The IT staff gets burned on first impression, and will actively work against the pain of further integration past the top tier execs.

Sad, really, as it's a huge opportunity for apple that they just pass up time and time again.

The studio I work for buys iMacs for graphic designers, who are are generally too set in their ways to use anything else. A lot of the illustrators use PCs at home, but they get hand-me-down Macs from the designers. When I asked my bosses to upgrade my 10 year old Mac Pro with a PC, they gave me an 8 year old Dell...

Meanwhile, the industrial designers use Windows machines because they need to run SolidWorks. Some of them would also use a Mac if they could because of the nice shiny casing. I’ve been surprised to see how superficial they are, knowing nothing of Apple’s crap implementation of OpenGL.

 

[jacksmith21006]

Among enterprise organizations that allow employees to choose their equipment of choice, Apple is becoming an increasingly popular choice, according to new survey information shared this morning by Apple IT management platform Jamf.

52 percent of enterprise organizations let employees choose their computers, while 49 percent let employees choose their mobile devices.

Of those organizations, 72 percent of employees included in Jamf's survey chose Mac, while 28 percent chose PC. As for mobile devices, 75 percent of respondents chose an iPhone or an iPad, while just 25 percent opted for an Android device.

According to employees, the ability to choose their operating systems and devices of choice makes them more productive. 68 percent said choice improves productivity, and 77 percent said they're more likely to stay with a company that offers device choice.Jamf's survey was conducted in March of 2018 and includes responses from 580 executives, managers, and IT professionals from organizations around the world.

Article Link: 72% of Enterprise Employees Choose Macs Over PCs, 75% Pick iOS Devices Over Android

[doublepost=1524834715][/doublepost]Why is it not showing up in the numbers sold? Last quarter they sold about 5.1 million. Yes three years ago same quarter sold 5.5 million. Seems weird the numbers would be going down?

 

[mashdots]

Usually only mom and pop shops allow you to choose but large enterprises are predominately Windows and Linux in most major industries. Occasionally, software development or media departments might be more Mac focused.

The first sentence is incorrect. The last two billion-dollar enterprises I've worked for has given me a choice, typically between Mac or PC. It's pretty common, given the versatility of each OS available.

 

[LordVic]

That's the funny thing about opinions. Every one has one and they're not usually the same. I used Windows from 1995-2014. I got my first MBP that year and it's like going from being a cripple in a wheel chair to an olympic sprinter. Almost no crashes, lag, slowdown... the thing just RUNS. It is still as fast and stable now as the day I got it. It's ridiculously dependable compared to all the Window's machines I've had throughout my life prior and I will never, ever... ever go back.

you realize based on your own time frame you never actually used a windows 10 machine.. and likely not even windows 8, which was a complete re-write of the core of Windows and a thoroughly different experience than 7 and earlier.

your post would be about the same as if I said "I used iOS in 2012, and I hated it then so it must be as bad today!".

Windows 8 and windows 10 have been one of the most stable OS choices I've ever used, including Linux variants, and MacOS. A complete turn-around from their stability from before

 

[nebo1ss]

The first sentence is incorrect. The last two billion-dollar enterprises I've worked for has given me a choice, typically between Mac or PC. It's pretty common, given the versatility of each OS available.

I think someone should define what they mean by Enterprise. My involvement with enterprise and purchasing policy was based on 20,000 desktops in a Financial environment. Management of that size environment, including software distribution, application compatibility and purchasing leverage will always discount giving the users the type of choice you are referring too.

 

[oyabroch!]

I was given the choice of an iPhone 8 or a Samsung S9. Went with the sammy.

That's nice. So what? You're not included in the stats.

 

[belvdr]

The title of this news article should be "72% of 580 people will choose Mac over PC".

 

[Baymowe335]

It's a free world. Didn't you get the memo?
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And what? I was one of those given the choice, and I chose S9. No need for the snark.

Because it's irrelevant and doesn't negate the study. Just report back after you regret it.