Have you ever had a car? Because this is why you wind up having to replace car batteries - the battery can no longer handle the peak load of starting the engine, and it refuses to turn over.Your statement is ridiculous
I’ve NEVER, EVER had ANY device that shuts down itself because the battery is “old”. I have a PSP that’s 8 years old and it still works like when it was new. It hasn’t slowed down, it just works. If iPhones shutdown because of that it’s a design flaw of their cpu, because I repeat, I’ve never had any other device shutting down because of this.
Apple was upfront and honest, they declared it on the release notes for everyone to see, but most people don’t read those and don’t understand anything, and that’s not Apple’s fault they are dumb.Apple was NOT up front and honest. They got caught lying about it
In that case, an aged battery would cause the system to lose power mid-game, losing any progress since the last save point. Debatable if that would be better or worse than losing FPS (especially since a developer might not plan on GPU performance to be dynamically throttled).the point is that the psp never started to lag after 2 years of degradation, like losing FPS in games. why? because sony optimized it in a right way.
To be fair, I've had batteries die at 8% all the way up to at 75% once they get old. Batteries just degrade over time in capacity and in peak load - the peak load part becoming more of an issue recently because power improvements in devices have raised the multiplier between idle and peak load by nearly an order of magnitude in the last decade.The voice of reason... thank God someone in here isn’t drunk on the koolaid.... it is a design flaw and Apple is throttling to hide it, they don’t want to have to be forced to freely repair or replace millions of iPhones.
They have all the consumer or government investigations to conclude in this yet.. I’m hopeful for huge fines. Take them down a peg or two, not like they don’t need it!
In my room now I’ve got 8 devices with the same battery tech as my 6S, not ONE of them shuts down at 20 or 30% or dump 10% battery in under a minute and turn off! My 6S does though!...
I’ve never had ANY device do it EVER and I’ve been using gadgets with rechargeable batteries for 20 years plus!
Just pointing out, the release automatically turned it off. The only way it goes back on is if your phone dies again due to a broken battery.When Apple released the patch that allowed me to take off throttling, I of course turned it off.
I've heard that the 'health' number unfortunately deals more with capacity than peak draw. This may be why so many people reported battery issues which weren't able to be diagnosed by Apple (and thus not covered by Apple warranty)The app showed my battery life at 85% capacity. Wait... it had throttled my phone at 85%??? Seriously?
Seems unlikely this was a scam to get people to upgrade phones - since the feature supposedly didn't apply to phones before the 6 or after the 6s. You would likely try to convince users of your oldest phones to upgrade, not the people who bought within the last year.I believe Apple lied to the majority of phone users about why they throttled them. Sure, perhaps a small percentage of phones did have the alleged problem they tried to fix with the throttling. Not mine, and not thousands of others I'm sure. Now, I am also not entirely convinced it was a money making scheme, but it certainly could have been.
But Android hasn't fixed the issue. have you ever tried to use a two-year-old plus Android device no thank you. The battery life is so short it's unusable (or is slower then beans lmao). Really the technology just needs to get better. On the one side you have Android manufacturers throwing their hands up saying we don't slow our phones down but yet after 2 to 3 years their phones run like garbage because the battery is having the same issues as Apple. The other hand not saying that Apple what's right in this case. Apple should have been a little more transparent as to why they were slowing the phones down and people just need to get over themselves.I still don't understand why they can't fix the underlying problem when Android has.
Yeah and the iPhone battery deteriorates to the point of needing a replacement after 2 years as well. My 7 Plus needing a replacement 2 years after launch. Also no Amdroid throttled or shuts down after 2 year and the news you read on this are isolated instances unlike this throttling. I have devices from 2013 which flat out reject this theory.But Android hasn't fixed the issue. have you ever tried to use a two-year-old plus Android device no thank you. The battery life is so short it's unusable (or is slower then beans lmao). Really the technology just needs to get better. On the one side you have Android manufacturers throwing their hands up saying we don't slow our phones down but yet after 2 to 3 years their phones run like garbage because the battery is having the same issues as Apple. The other hand not saying that Apple what's right in this case. Apple should have been a little more transparent as to why they were slowing the phones down and people just need to get over themselves.
Paying £25 for a replacement battery is much better than squandering $75 on the lawyers. They just take the money and dont fix the battery QED!Anyone who has the $75 can file a lawsuit. Another publicity stunt by a lawyer seeking some attention with a worthless lawsuit that will go nowhere. People mistakenly think just because someone files a suit, it has merit or that the plaintiffs will receive anything.
Any which way you slice it companies have to be transparent and in this case Apple were not. Do you think it was correct for Apple not to tell its customers what it was doing so that they had the choice of keeping a slow phone or changing the battery?No doubt. Painting it as a negative is ridiculous. It was by design to fix a problem people were having with their phone crashing when the processor requested more power than the battery could safely supply because of degradation. The pretzeled logic of “hey, let’s slow down everyone’s older phones to give them a reason to upgrade” would have been insane. How likely are you to upgrade to another iPhone after just having a very frustrating experience? It is inanity.
Way to avoid the topic at hand. Yeah, you have great software, other than the fact that is slows down older phones. Classic diversion and used car salesman tactics. You took a chance and you got caught, just like you steal other companies ' technologies and roll the dice on how the infringement suit will go. You win some you lose some.
First of all, we have a 95 percent customer satisfaction rate with iOS 11… it's great. We have delivered through the years amazing features, from the App Store to iMessage
Not exactly. It applies primarily to consumer electronics. Things like clothing, bookshelves, houses, ETC may require maintenance, but they have no built in expiration date so to speak. You don't need an OS update to live in your house (yet). For consumer devices the hardware is static, the software is the malleable part of the device, together they create the user experience. Any diminishing of that user experience by the use of software could be considered a form of "bait and switch". Apple doesn't state that your device performance may diminish with the installation of updates. and that in combination with the fact that you cannot install the device's original OS (thanks to apples code signing). means that users are potentially forced into a lesser user experience without notification.Not to go too off topic here, but you’re critique is that of the very basis of our modern consumer oriented economy. It’s applicable to everything you’ve ever purchased in your life other than food.
I’d read “the lightbulb conspiracy” if you’re interested in the origins of this production philosophy, it goes back over 100 years.
I don't think it's defective batteries. it was a design flaw and a failure of engineering that led to this however. I think it's safe an dreasonable for consumers of phones to expect their phones to last 2-5 years without random shutdowns. Apple designed the iPhone with such little overhead and bare minimum batteries that they're experiencing battery degradation issues in some cases within 1 year.This is just a jumbled misunderstanding of the issue.
The batteries themselves are not defective. The issue arises when the battery degraded (which is just how chemistry works, not a flaw) to the point where they couldn’t supply the peak draw of the processor under certain circumstances (it’s not that the batteries can’t deliver, it’s that a naturally degraded battery can’t. This is an important distinction) which resulted in a safety shutdown.
I say safety because all the news stories of vaporizers blowing up are the result of batteries not handling peak loads (which is high with a heating element) but the pens still trying anyway which results in a runaway thermal process.
Now, clearly their testing was not correct as phones were passing while the throttling still occurred. You’re 100% right on that point. But none of this was EVER about defective *batteries* themselves.
No I would rather have my phone not shutdown at all like all other phones."I would have much rather had my phone randomly shut down during inconvenient times, particularly when under a heavy load indicating I'm actually using it for something!" -all of these people, apparently.
Just because I think iOS is more simplified, or "dumbified" as I like to put it, doesn't mean I don't actually use it, although I am mainly referring to iOS on an ipad. Privacy is one of my larger concerns, and that keeps me on Apple, as I see the nightmare that Android is regarding privacy. But I do, in fact own an iPhone X.(And directly below that, in his footer...)
I'm sure you'll understand if I'm somewhat skeptical of your assertions.
Apple always provides a partial truth narrative for people to repeat, knowing that most will stop questioning after that.The batteries themselves are not defective. The issue arises when the battery degraded (which is just how chemistry works, not a flaw) to the point where they couldn’t supply the peak draw of the processor under certain circumstances (it’s not that the batteries can’t deliver, it’s that a naturally degraded battery can’t. This is an important distinction) which resulted in a safety shutdown.
Uhhh...It's been built into Android for quite a while:Yeah and the iPhone battery deteriorates to the point of needing a replacement after 2 years as well. My 7 Plus needing a replacement 2 years after launch. Also no Amdroid throttled or shuts down after 2 year and the news you read on this are isolated instances unlike this throttling. I have devices from 2013 which flat out reject this theory.
Thank you for editing that clearly insulting remark out.Apple always provides a partial truth narrative for people to repeat, knowing that most will stop questioning after that.
But there are still some unanswered questions, such as:
1. If common battery degradation was the primary reason, why didn't it affect all previous iPhones?
2. If this was all natural, why didn't Apple foresee it, instead of belatedly patching the OS after phones began shutting down?
Are you saying Apple designed a battery that was worse than previous generations?1. Do you think Apple has been using the same batteries for every generation of phone? It's a genuine question, because if not...there's your answer.
No, it's not the same logic. As manufacturers have noted, and public code confirms, Android phones do not enable throttling based on a battery's age, as Apple apparently does.On your other point, Android does have it, as I posted. It's the same logic being used in Apple's OS
No. It notifies "interested parties", which in Android's case, is usually just the OS's battery monitor process.but it appears to notify individual apps rather than the OS, which would result in some inconsistent behavior I'd imagine.