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I thought Apple stopped slowing down iPhones after it became well known they were doing it...?

nope. they kept the software and as an olive branch for all of 2018 any phone that can run the iOS version in question can get a cheaper battery replacement (one time at that cost) even if the diagnostics says that it's fine. old as **** batteries are the real issue

my question is the 'secret' part. did they really hide it or was it just in the update info that most folks don't bother to read, cause if it was the latter then it's not Apple's fault they didn't see it
 
Are you saying Apple designed a battery that was worse than previous generations?



No, it's not the same logic. As manufacturers have noted, and public code confirms, Android phones do not enable throttling based on a battery's age, as Apple apparently does.



No. It notifies "interested parties", which in Android's case, is usually just the OS's battery monitor process.
If I recall you're an engineering expert on touchscreen technologies, yes? Would you consider every type of touchscreen to be the same, or are they different for the specific application they are being designed for? Are there no such thing as tradeoffs in that world? I'd imagine the same would apply for batteries. I can say with complete certainty, that in the use case of cold weather, the iPhone 6/6s batteries are a major step backwards from the 5s (which I owned previously).

Source for "age" being the actual measurement rather than the "layman's" term being used in tech journalist articles?


The documentation clearly states (I copied and pasted it) "interested applications" but that may be (in real world use) just the OS's battery management....but I'm not sure how that would be different than Apple's approach?
 
Your statement is ridiculous
I’ve NEVER, EVER had ANY device that shuts down itself because the battery is “old”. I have a PSP that’s 8 years old and it still works like when it was new. It hasn’t slowed down, it just works. If iPhones shutdown because of that it’s a design flaw of their cpu, because I repeat, I’ve never had any other device shutting down because of this.
What is ridiculous my friend is that you think that your personal experience is the same as the rest of the world... #godlikecomplex
 
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Apple always provides a partial truth narrative for people to repeat, knowing that most will stop questioning after that.

But there are still some unanswered questions, such as:

1. If common battery degradation was the primary reason, why didn't it affect all previous iPhones?
2. If this was all natural, why didn't Apple foresee it, instead of belatedly patching the OS after phones began shutting down?

the phones don't use the exact same batteries. and apple didn't foresee folks hanging into their phones for years and years without bothering to change the batteries. basically they assumed the customers weren't that stupid. they were wrong. just like they were wrong about the customers being stupid and not reading terms and conditions and release notes
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This is a gross oversimplication that doesn't actually address the problem people have had with the battery.

The throttling issue wasn't implemented because of normal degradation. It was put in place because of a battery design issue in which the iPhones themselves attempted to draw more power from the battery than the battery allowed for, causing a shutdown.

oh hey Jonny, thanks for coming to explain exactly what's going on. so nice to hear from an actual apple engineer about what you did and why. but there's no need to hide your identity.
 
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Too many Apple bots spreading FUD to influence the minds of consumers and potential jurors. Prematurely shutting down on any device and one as recent as iPhone 7 which was only one year old is very abnormal behavior considered defective. Ultimately, it's up to the court to decide if Apple covered up the defect and even intentionally benefited from it to generate new device sales. Another win for consumers if it turns out like the Apple eBook collusion case.
 
Too many Apple bots spreading FUD to influence the minds of consumers and potential jurors. Prematurely shutting down on any device and one as recent as iPhone 7 which was only one year old is very abnormal behavior considered defective. Ultimately, it's up to the court to decide if Apple covered up the defect and even intentionally benefited from it to generate new device sales. Another win for consumers if it turns out like the Apple eBook collusion case.

What exactly do consumers win? Lawyers scoop the cash, Apple raise prices to maintain profits.
 
It was planned obsolescence. Period.
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At least those phones aren't unusable. The iPhone 6 from 2014 is unusable on iOS 11. Load times are atrocious and a 6 hour battery life with 94% health

It is extremely useful on 10.3.3 and the performance improves on iOS 12.
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the point is that the psp never started to lag after 2 years of degradation, like losing FPS in games. why? because sony optimized it in a right way. apple didn't. you can defend them all you want, i don't care. they are wrong in this, and they are wrong in how they handled it.
i'm a bigger apple fanboy than you and i probably have double their devices than you, but that doesn't keep me from calling it when i see it. actually it gives me more rights to do so, having spent a lot of money in their products.

Can’t say the same for the PS4. The UI has become very sluggish with the later firmwares. In-game performance is about the same. I haven’t used a PS4 Pro but I expect the UI to be much more responsive on them.
 
Have you ever had a car? Because this is why you wind up having to replace car batteries - the battery can no longer handle the peak load of starting the engine, and it refuses to turn over.
of course, but it's completely different. Completely. if the iphone refused to power on than it would've been a fair comparison
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It is extremely useful on 10.3.3 and the performance improves on iOS 12.
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Can’t say the same for the PS4. The UI has become very sluggish with the later firmwares. In-game performance is about the same. I haven’t used a PS4 Pro but I expect the UI to be much more responsive on them.
i remember the ps3 UI. now THAT was atrocious :)
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Well it's official, then, Apple is lying as evidenced by this single user and his anecdotal evidence. The fact that other phones made by other companies experience this very same issue (just one example here) is obviously totally irrelevant because this user has done exhaustive personal studies of at least one other device.

Seriously, people, at least try to understand the underlying facts here. Apple bungled the PR, no doubt, and the 6 series phones were likely not their best effort, but there is no criminal conspiracy here.



This is what is called a fact. They are actually quite useful in navigating the world.

not saying criminal.. and yes, im referring to the 6 plus. it's been the equivalent of the ipad 3 . just a poorly designed device, unfortunately. i've just installed ios 12 just for fun and i must say it's like 3 times faster than ios 11. which makes me laugh because if apple wants to do great things they can, but a lot of times they decide not to. anyway, for me, the worst thing was how they handled it after they were caught. that's my biggest complaint. i own countless apple devices and that's not how you treat your customers. that being said i'm a happy iphone 8 user and after almost 2 years it's still perfect.
 
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No doubt. Painting it as a negative is ridiculous. It was by design to fix a problem people were having with their phone crashing when the processor requested more power than the battery could safely supply because of degradation. The pretzeled logic of “hey, let’s slow down everyone’s older phones to give them a reason to upgrade” would have been insane. How likely are you to upgrade to another iPhone after just having a very frustrating experience? It is inanity.

Well, in my case my 6S was throttled to be slower than my 5S even with the originall battery in both. But when the update came out to allow users to choose fast with a chance of crash, my phone showed the battery was in still in good health, and my phone was suddenly much much faster again without me changing any settings. Makes me wonder a bit.
 
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I guess I should be happy that over time, my 6S became "genuinely" slow (by HW limitations)
Which is not necessarily Apples flaw, but merely those overcrowded, ad-based, aggressively popping and flickering, private content sucking websites that dominate the landscape of modern browsing.
That's the invisible coalition between content providers and the IT industry
 
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I guess I should be happy that over time, my 6S became "genuinely" slow (by HW limitations)
Which is not necessarily Apples flaw, but merely those overcrowded, ad-based, aggressively popping and flickering, private content sucking websites that dominate the landscape of modern browsing.
That's the invisible coalition between content providers and the IT industry
Collusion and kickbacks. apple is paying the content providers to slow your phone to force you to purchase a new one and then the content providers get a kickback.
 
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These lawsuits are not going anywhere as Apple has admitted battery technology is not making progress.
 
Collusion and kickbacks. apple is paying the content providers to slow your phone to force you to purchase a new one and then the content providers get a kickback.
Oops. So there I thought this wasn’t necessarily Apple’s flaw, but that’s a naivety from my side...?
 
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Source for "age" being the actual measurement rather than the "layman's" term being used in tech journalist articles?

The documentation clearly states (I copied and pasted it) "interested applications" but that may be (in real world use) just the OS's battery management....but I'm not sure how that would be different than Apple's approach?

Simple Apple's approach was to apply a general CPU frequency throttle no matter the fact that the battery was charged to 100% or the phones was still plugged in the wall.
With Android it's applied only when the Battery Current Limit detects that the specified limits are exceeded.
But anyway with Android phones it's not a problem because batteries are most of the time adequate enough that OEM's don't need to universally throttle the performance of SOC's they use. Android is also quite transparent as it's very easy to see (with the proper apps) at which frequency the CPU cores are operating and which CPU cores are active and inactive.
 
This has been a phenomenon since desktop computer upgrades were first commonly available. Suddenly, Windows would be laggy after the 300 MHz "top of the line" processor seemed to be running at a half a cycle a second.

What in the world do you think "This phenomenon" has to do with the early days of desktop computer upgrades?

"This phenomenon" is hardware with such a weak battery that if the device runs at 100% power, the current drain on the battery loads down the voltage below what the device requires to remain powered and the device shuts down. A battery can only supply so much current, when you try to take more it's similar to partially shorting out the battery which lowers the terminal voltage. The chips inside the iPhone have a minimum required voltage and when you drop below that, the chips will not keep operating.

Modern CPUs use a highly variable amount of electrical power. When the CPU is mostly idling, it slows itself way down and draws a trickle of power. When it needs to do a major task, it ramps its performance way up and guzzles power.

Apple modified their phone software so that they would estimate battery health and limit how much performance the CPU could ramp up to to limit the electrical power consumed to be safely within what they battery could supply. Meaning your "300 MHz top of the line" CPU is suddenly no longer allowed to run faster than 50 MHz, for the sole purpose of making it consume less power.

The problem is that the battery selected by Apple is so undersized for the job that even in a phone a few months old would have such poor battery health that this throttling was needed. If Apple choose a slightly larger battery then the phones could go a coupe of years without throttling and there would have been no issues. Apple created this mess for themselves and their customers by choosing to make their phone a tiny fraction of an mm too thin to hold a proper battery.
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If Apple really wanted to force consumers to upgrade they would only provide a single major OS update like most Android OEMs provide. What Android phone from 2013-2014 has the ability to run the latest Android without any modding? My guess is none.

Apple has redefined the OS to include a huge portion of the app base. Your iOS version determines your web browser, you version of pages, etc, and a ton of other Apps. This redefinition does not exist outside the Apple ecosystem.

To everyone who was using computers before iOS went to its annual update cycle, the "OS" was a thin layer of software mostly behind then scenes that would allow you to run the programs you need, support the file system, and take care of basic house keeping, memory management, etc. If you want a new web browser, you upgrade your web browser, if you want a new word processor you upgrade it.

The advantage of the non-Apple way, is you don't have to "upgrade" your entire workflow to have the latest OS and whatever features you do want. For example, I'm looking forward to the stacks feature on OSX Mojave. But to get that, I'm going to have to buy a new version of parallels, I'm going to have to upgrade iLife, and a ton of other stuff I may or may not want to. For no reason other than Apple says. After the High Sierra launch, I'm also getting worried my Adobe CS6 is going to be permanently broken by an upgrade sooner than later as well.

Basically, I'm not saying Apple is right or wrong here. Just that you're comparing Apples and Oranges when you talk about OS updates, and running an Android phone on the 2013 OS today is not remotely the same as running an iPhone on the 2013 version of iOS -- you couldn't even download modern apps if you were doing that.
 
It wasn't cool that it wasn't disclosed in more detail but with the steps they've taken to make the situation better I'm over it now. If the suits are what forced Apple's hand on the issue then I think they've already served their purpose. This is just about money now.
 
No I would rather have my phone not shutdown at all like all other phones.
Obviously, but if you were unfortunate enough to have purchased an affected iPhone, can you honestly say that you would have rather Apple done nothing, forcing you to upgrade or otherwise purchase a new phone? Or release a free software update that made it so you could continue to use your phone with a virtually imperceptible (for the huge majority of use cases) performance hit?

Having owned one of the affected iPhones, I'm gonna go ahead and drop my pin on being grateful Apple made it so I could last another 8 months before getting a new phone. Otherwise I would have been stuck with a $250 Android handset running Kit-Kat, as that was about all my budget could manage at the time.
 
Obviously, but if you were unfortunate enough to have purchased an affected iPhone, can you honestly say that you would have rather Apple done nothing, forcing you to upgrade or otherwise purchase a new phone? Or release a free software update that made it so you could continue to use your phone with a virtually imperceptible (for the huge majority of use cases) performance hit?

Having owned one of the affected iPhones, I'm gonna go ahead and drop my pin on being grateful Apple made it so I could last another 8 months before getting a new phone. Otherwise I would have been stuck with a $250 Android handset running Kit-Kat, as that was about all my budget could manage at the time.
25 buck is enough sir kit kat no need 250 buck . 250 can get good spec allready just not the flagship
 
Obviously, but if you were unfortunate enough to have purchased an affected iPhone, can you honestly say that you would have rather Apple done nothing, forcing you to upgrade or otherwise purchase a new phone? Or release a free software update that made it so you could continue to use your phone with a virtually imperceptible (for the huge majority of use cases) performance hit?

Having owned one of the affected iPhones, I'm gonna go ahead and drop my pin on being grateful Apple made it so I could last another 8 months before getting a new phone. Otherwise I would have been stuck with a $250 Android handset running Kit-Kat, as that was about all my budget could manage at the time.

Apple should have notified me via iOS prompts that my battery was wearing out instead of slowing it down without informing me. $99 isn't much.
 
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Apple should have notified me via iOS prompts that my battery was wearing out instead of slowing it down without informing me. $99 isn't much.
I don't think anyone here is arguing that Apple didn't do a lousy job communicating surrounding this update. Their fix should have at least been spelled out in detail via release notes and included a toggle to switch it off. But even still their solution was the right one for 99% of their user base.
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25 buck is enough sir kit kat no need 250 buck . 250 can get good spec allready just not the flagship
Having owned several inexpensive Chinese Android phones, I'd question the statement that $250 would get you a "good spec" phone even now. Back in 2015 it would have been much worse.
 
Having owned several inexpensive Chinese Android phones, I'd question the statement that $250 would get you a "good spec" phone even now. Back in 2015 it would have been much worse.

$70 Huawei phone does ~90% of iPhone 7. They're both Chinese made phones probably from the same factory but the Huawei doesn't have the Apple middle-man markup. Huawei, though, has superior 4000mAh battery and better Google services. Really hard for smartsumers to justify the Apple middle-man markup anymore.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/AT-T-PREPAID-Huawei-Ascend-XT2-16GB-Prepaid-Smartphone-Silver/854006794
 
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$70 Huawei phone does ~90% of iPhone 7. They're both Chinese made phones probably from the same factory but the Huawei doesn't have the Apple middle-man markup. Huawei, though, has superior 4000mAh battery and better Google services. Really hard for smartsumers to justify the Apple middle-man markup anymore.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/AT-T-PREPAID-Huawei-Ascend-XT2-16GB-Prepaid-Smartphone-Silver/854006794
Maybe a good option for some people, I'll stick with apple and iphone.
 
$70 Huawei phone does ~90% of iPhone 7. They're both Chinese made phones probably from the same factory but the Huawei doesn't have the Apple middle-man markup. Huawei, though, has superior 4000mAh battery and better Google services. Really hard for smartsumers to justify the Apple middle-man markup anymore.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/AT-T-PREPAID-Huawei-Ascend-XT2-16GB-Prepaid-Smartphone-Silver/854006794
cannot fight with those whom in eco system . At least windows user dont do same thing with failure windows 10 mobile
 
$70 Huawei phone does ~90% of iPhone 7. They're both Chinese made phones probably from the same factory but the Huawei doesn't have the Apple middle-man markup. Huawei, though, has superior 4000mAh battery and better Google services. Really hard for smartsumers to justify the Apple middle-man markup anymore.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/AT-T-PREPAID-Huawei-Ascend-XT2-16GB-Prepaid-Smartphone-Silver/854006794
I've used a few Huawei phones. Reasonably good hardware, generally acceptable build quality for the price. Also the worst skin over Android since Touch Wiz finally died. It works okay on their flagships, but it bogs down badly on their budget handsets. No, but thanks.

Believe me, I have swam in the waters of mind blowingly cheap Android phones (honestly you can get better than that for $70, you need to keep shopping), and while those phones are fine for most folks as a backup or in a pinch, that doesn't mean they're good, and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone as a daily driver. Maybe for their kids. Which is probably why that link is to a prepaid plan device.
 
Yeah and the iPhone battery deteriorates to the point of needing a replacement after 2 years as well. My 7 Plus needing a replacement 2 years after launch. Also no Amdroid throttled or shuts down after 2 year and the news you read on this are isolated instances unlike this throttling. I have devices from 2013 which flat out reject this theory.

Apple lied. Plain and Simple. They tried to hide the throttle under obscure wordings like “power management” and got caught. The cleverness is their strategy was the battery wouldn’t even be detected on their diags unless health was below 80% leaving the owner with the only option of buying a newer phone. My hats off to the guy who caught Apple and their dirty tricks.

Ok you sound angry. But I see this on a daliy basis on both sides with Apple and Android. Both with phones that have terrible batter after two years and both with good to ok battery after two years. Really it comes down to how much a person charges and cycels the battery to determine how long it will last. I only posted this to point out it's a damed if you do and damed if you don't situation. But just because you have seen it one way dosen't mean the whole world works that way lmao.
 
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