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Can anyone tell me aproximatelly when will be anounced the 8 core processors???...I have read all the forum and I'm not sure to understand the conclusion. I'm very interested in Mac PRO and I was thinking to buy one until I read you. Is this a good moment for buy a Mac Pro?
If it's definitive that Mac Pro wil be anounced on 2007 I would be interested in buying one inmediatelly.
Please help me
 
Can anyone tell me aproximatelly when will be anounced the 8 core processors???...I have read all the forum and I'm not sure to understand the conclusion. I'm very interested in Mac PRO and I was thinking to buy one until I read you. Is this a good moment for buy a Mac Pro?
If it's definitive that Mac Pro wil be anounced on 2007 I would be interested in buying one inmediatelly.
Please help me

we not sure...trying calling the apple store and let us know too.
 
Thanks For The Benchmarks BJNY • I'll Wait For Stoakley

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Thanks a lot BJ. This makes it clear why the Stoakley platform with its Seaburg Memory Controller Hub (MCH) will likely be what Apple wants to begin with for an 8-core offering. While I do use those few apps that can saturate an 8-core, I dont' really want a Franken-Mac Pro with 8 hacked cores, which is what Apple would be doing if they were to try and offer one now. Now that I know about Stoakley, it's obvious to me that's the way I want to get my 8-cores. Better for me to wait for Apple to get it right this Winter.

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Can anyone tell me aproximatelly when will be anounced the 8 core processors???...I have read all the forum and I'm not sure to understand the conclusion. I'm very interested in Mac PRO and I was thinking to buy one until I read you. Is this a good moment for buy a Mac Pro?

If it's definitive that Mac Pro wil be anounced on 2007 I would be interested in buying one inmediatelly.
Approximately the end of Winter - March is my GUESS now with this new information above. If you need power now, don't wait for 8-cores and buy one of the 4-core refurbs.

2.66GHz 4-core $2199 with 1GB of half speed 512 sticks.
3GHz 4-core $3299 with 2GB of half speed 512MB RAM sticks & Radeon X1900 XT Card.

I would go for the 2.66GHz rather than the +$1100 3GHz model. You can add 4GB of 2GB sticks & the X1900 XT Card to it for + about the same $1100 difference and have a much more responsive system due to a lot more and faster ram inside for the same money and support for 4 displays.

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Quad Intermission

Well could really use a pro right now..
The powerbook thingy ain't hacking it anymore, especially not now.

Guess I'll get a quad 3.0 and sell it next year when the octo's take-over.
 
Waiting For Cost Efficiency 8-Core May Not Be Worth It Right Now

Well could really use a pro right now..
The powerbook thingy ain't hacking it anymore, especially not now.

Guess I'll get a quad 3.0 and sell it next year when the octo's take-over.
Yeah I can relate. I'm almost with you Octobot. Thinkin about pullin' the $2199 - 2.66GHz Refurb trigger. I know the Mac Pro Quad can rip what I'm doing much faster than the G5 can. But this business of always having to have a line up in a queue is really a pain. I guess between the two of them, it wouldn't be so bad. Just seems like the Octo MP will be so much more cost efficient.

I can't see spending an extra grand for the 3GHz model. How do you? It's only 340MHz faster or 1.36GHz from all four faster. 10.64 vs. 12 is about 11% faster for 50% more money?

I'm gonna have to return to the stores and run some more tests to sell myself on 4-cores for now. :)
 
Quad-Core Launch News:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35723
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4914
http://www.theregister.com/2006/11/08/dell_delivers_quads/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127863-c,servers/article.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061114-8220.html

Single CPU (Kentsfield) Desktops:
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_710?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
http://www.falcon-nw.com/config/build.asp
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/cfgc2d.asp?v=d

Multiple CPU (Clovertown) Servers:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ss/WF06a/15351-241434-241475-241475-f79-1121516.html
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/qua...ign=message/ideas/leadspace/all/quadcoreicon2
(Dell Servers)

Multiple CPU (Clovertown) Workstations:
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/precn_690?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04

On one hand, quad cores were launched, on the other hand, the top models (2.66 GHz QX6600) currently only appear in single cpu desktops, for now, workstations and servers can only use up to the 1.83 GHz model I believe. Hopefully this will change soon. It is kind of amusing that IBM actually gets intel quad-core solutions out before Apple. :p

The issue right now is probably supplying the processors (seeing how every fricking computer company now uses intel processors in some way or another). I remember an article a couple months ago on anandtech where 2.66 GHz quad core engineering samples were fitted into a mac pro and ran fine.

EDIT: found it! about 2 months old:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2832&p=6
 
I know I'm a bit late chiming in here, but I don't know where the reports of low quantities (or no production at all) of the 1333MHz FSB Clovertowns came from. It's bogus. Intel went through their official launch of these new quad-core chips today and all are available - even the 120W 2.66GHz monster.

HP is Intel's official launch partner for the new Core 2 Quad Xeon chips and they have been taking pre-orders from corporate customers for a few weeks now. They are expecting to start shipping 8-core workstations within the next 10 days.

I'm not sure what Apple's timing will be with an 8-core release, but it could be as soon as tomorrow. Realistically, I think it more likely to be next tuesday (as always), but if they delay until after the Thanksgiving holiday that wouldn't surprise me either. I doubt they will wait until MWSF... By then, Dell, HP and others will have sold thousands of 8-core systems.

Now as far as offerings given the official specs of the new quad-core CPUs, I would expect the 2.33GHz Clovertowns to be a drop-in replacement for current Woodcrest models -- as far as the Mac Pro is concerned. If they offer the 2.66GHz chips, it may require an updated logic board and/or VRM pack to handle the power requirements. Most likely a different cooling system will be required too, so who knows what that will do for availability and pricing. It will probably be quite a bit more expensive, but an extra 330MHz per CPU core could be significant as long as the applications involved aren't overloading the FSB or already stressing it at 2.33GHz.

Just wanted to add that the lack of higher speed dual-CPU workstations now with the launch appear to be related to mainboard/logicboard delays and not actual chip supply. Intel said that all models will be available in quantity. I think we're seeing the same industry doom and gloom we saw over C2D Merom offerings where a lot of sites were claiming shortages when there were none. Intel is very forthcoming regarding shortages or inabilities to meet demands and production schedules. If there's going to be a lack of production or shortages here in the coming weeks, Intel will let us know.
 
It Appears The Top Speed Clovertowns Aren't Shipping Until Next Year

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That's only 1.86GHz 1066MHz FSB among the slowest of Clovertowns. DELL is not offering faster and they are charging a fortune for the slow one - $3318 with an 80GB HD. :p
On one hand, quad cores were launched, on the other hand, the top models (2.66 GHz QX6600) currently only appear in single cpu desktops, for now,
That's only Kentsfield.
workstations and servers can only use up to the 1.83 GHz model I believe. Hopefully this will change soon.
Not until next year.
It is kind of amusing that IBM actually gets intel quad-core solutions out before Apple. :p
Not really. Because that is not what's happening. You are misunderstanding the facts.
The issue right now is probably supplying the processors (seeing how every fricking computer company now uses intel processors in some way or another).
No. The issue is that Intel isn't making the fastest Clovertowns until next year along with the Stoakley platform chips that will make them sing properly.
I remember an article a couple months ago on anandtech where 2.66 GHz quad core engineering samples were fitted into a mac pro and ran fine.

EDIT: found it! about 2 months old:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2832&p=6
Did you read Geoff Gasior's Tech Report yet? It explains the details of why we won't see the 8-core Mac until end of this coming winter - like March. Did you skip over my posts above?

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I Don't Know What The Hell Is Going On.

I know I'm a bit late chiming in here, but I don't know where the reports of low quantities (or no production at all) of the 1333MHz FSB Clovertowns came from. It's bogus. Intel went through their official launch of these new quad-core chips today and all are available - even the 120W 2.66GHz monster.

HP is Intel's official launch partner for the new Core 2 Quad Xeon chips and they have been taking pre-orders from corporate customers for a few weeks now. They are expecting to start shipping 8-core workstations within the next 10 days.

I'm not sure what Apple's timing will be with an 8-core release, but it could be as soon as tomorrow. Realistically, I think it more likely to be next tuesday (as always), but if they delay until after the Thanksgiving holiday that wouldn't surprise me either. I doubt they will wait until MWSF... By then, Dell, HP and others will have sold thousands of 8-core systems.

Now as far as offerings given the official specs of the new quad-core CPUs, I would expect the 2.33GHz Clovertowns to be a drop-in replacement for current Woodcrest models -- as far as the Mac Pro is concerned. If they offer the 2.66GHz chips, it may require an updated logic board and/or VRM pack to handle the power requirements. Most likely a different cooling system will be required too, so who knows what that will do for availability and pricing. It will probably be quite a bit more expensive, but an extra 330MHz per CPU core could be significant as long as the applications involved aren't overloading the FSB or already stressing it at 2.33GHz.

Just wanted to add that the lack of higher speed dual-CPU workstations now with the launch appear to be related to mainboard/logicboard delays and not actual chip supply. Intel said that all models will be available in quantity. I think we're seeing the same industry doom and gloom we saw over C2D Merom offerings where a lot of sites were claiming shortages when there were none. Intel is very forthcoming regarding shortages or inabilities to meet demands and production schedules. If there's going to be a lack of production or shortages here in the coming weeks, Intel will let us know.
Man I am completely confused and befuddled. I just decided nothing was happening until March because of the need for Stoakley to make it all run best. Now you say it's all Go in a few more days. I am clueless.

I thought the Intel Press Event was supposed to be yesterday? Now you're saying it was today? :eek: :confused:
 
Man I am completely confused and befuddled. I just decided nothing was happening until March because of the need for Stoakley to make it all run best. Now you say it's all Go in a few more days. I am clueless.

I thought the Intel Press Event was supposed to be yesterday? Now you're saying it was today? :eek: :confused:

It was yesterday - as in 11/14. Completely overshadowed by the Zune event. I'm not even sure if it was an event...

I don't know if the 8-core systems from these vendors (including Apple) will be coming real soon or if we'll have to wait. But if there is a wait, it's not a problem with CPU production, but rather other components.

As for Stoakley, yes we're looking at an improvement there, but realistically that's sometime next spring - about 5 months away. And shortly thereafter we can expect the 45nm die shrink samples to ship and unified quad-core CPUs with possibilities for 8-core CPUs shipping late '07 to early '08. Intel is going insane with the CPU production and evolution cycle schedules and I think they're going to outpace the rest of the industry for a while... Meaning that even though CPUs are starting to trickle into the channel, motherboard makers are a bit behind... SuperMicro and Tyan (two of the primary workstation and server mainboard makers for Intel PCs) are even behind. Tyan just today (in light of Intel's announcement) released a statement that three of their Xeon server platforms are now quad-core capable (two of which require BIOS upgrades that have not yet been posted). No support for the 120W E5355 2.66GHz quad-core in current products. SuperMicro announced their products are ready a couple weeks ago, but their site is vague on what CPUs their systems actually support and it's not clear if they support the full range of Clovertowns. Intel says they will scale production to meet demand...

The HP systems I've mentioned for pre-order only offer up to the 2.33GHz option. Sorry, I don't have a link... It's only accessible to corporate purchase accounts.
 
Thanks Multimedia for your a advice, but after read all this links, Are you convenced that until Spring we don’t have the new processors working on a Mac??...Because it’s seems that If Apple work in their since today It would appear as Christmas present in agreement of who think that It’s relationed with the launch of Vista
 
2.33GHz 80 Watt Cloverton Is Probably The Top Of What Might Happen Soon

It was yesterday - as in 11/14. Completely overshadowed by the Zune event. I'm not even sure if it was an event...
It was advertised in advance as supposed to happen Monday 11.13.
I don't know if the 8-core systems from these vendors (including Apple) will be coming real soon or if we'll have to wait. But if there is a wait, it's not a problem with CPU production, but rather other components.
OK. So we don't know.
As for Stoakley, yes we're looking at an improvement there, but realistically that's sometime next spring - about 5 months away.
This is what I think Apple might want to wait for. You're thinking competition form other Intel vendors will dictate Apple not waiting for Stoakley?
And shortly thereafter we can expect the 45nm die shrink samples to ship and unified quad-core CPUs with possibilities for 8-core CPUs shipping late '07 to early '08.
Unified 45nm in little more than a year from now?! :eek: Man that is going very further faster forwarder sooner than most expect or even imagine.
Intel is going insane with the CPU production and evolution cycle schedules and I think they're going to outpace the rest of the industry for a while... Meaning that even though CPUs are starting to trickle into the channel, motherboard makers are a bit behind... SuperMicro and Tyan (two of the primary workstation and server mainboard makers for Intel PCs) are even behind. Tyan just today (in light of Intel's announcement) released a statement that three of their Xeon server platforms are now quad-core capable (two of which require BIOS upgrades that have not yet been posted). No support for the 120W E5355 2.66GHz quad-core in current products.
Point of my title above. The current motherboard in the Mac Pro may not be able to support 120 watt package thermals either. So we're likely looking at no faster than or more than likely ONLY a 2.33GHz 80 Watt Clovertown option soon if anything - Total 18.64GHz.
SuperMicro announced their products are ready a couple weeks ago, but their site is vague on what CPUs their systems actually support and it's not clear if they support the full range of Clovertowns. Intel says they will scale production to meet demand...

The HP systems I've mentioned for pre-order only offer up to the 2.33GHz option. Sorry, I don't have a link... It's only accessible to corporate purchase accounts.
Pre-order for shipping when? That might give us a clue when an Apple product might ship 2.33GHz in the current motherboard. Dell is now only offering a very expensive 1.86GHz/1066MHz FSB option with a notice the order will be delayed if you choose it.

I wonder what the resale market is going to be like for a first generation Pre-Stoakley 2.33GHz Dual Clovertown Mac Pro? Might be a tough sell AV.
 
Help please

Ok, Well the OCTOPRO isn't announced or out today. I needed some advice. I have a project due next thursday and needed to do some last minute touch ups this weekend. I was so desperate that I was thinking of buying a macpro tomorrow 4gb ram, 3ghz plus extended warranty and Final Cut Pro but I have a feeling the newest MAC will come out soon. So I guess I'm better off renting a MAC for the weekend or should I get the MAC with the modified configs I mentioned then try to sell it for the latest MAC. I was even thinking of buying a laptop just to be able to edit live pay it off ASAP then buy the newest MACPRO. Any suggestions? I was hoping I would have ordered the latest OCTOMAC on my birthday today but I guess not.:(
 
"The Singularity"

And I thought this thread was going to calm down a little..

It still seems like even though an octo 1st gen macpro might come within the next liittle while, that it would be to keep apple on the podium with HP & Dell, and for those who want to "jump the gun."

The way things are panning out.. like always, it pays (or should i say "saves") to be patient and wait for things to order themselves out.

Right now the whole industry/prosumers are getting all excited re: the intel roadmap.. but it takes a keen eye to know the sweet-spots. Moments when all problems are worked out, architecture streamlined, proggies taking full advantage of the technology, etc..

I mean looking down the line, things are really speeding up, before we know it we will hit "Technological Singularity" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity ;) Real Interesting read.

Anyways don't forget to always check your "blind-spot."
 
Yeah I can relate. I'm almost with you Octobot. Thinkin about pullin' the $2199 - 2.66GHz Refurb trigger. I know the Mac Pro Quad can rip what I'm doing much faster than the G5 can. But this business of always having to have a line up in a queue is really a pain. I guess between the two of them, it wouldn't be so bad. Just seems like the Octo MP will be so much more cost efficient.

I can't see spending an extra grand for the 3GHz model. How do you? It's only 340MHz faster or 1.36GHz from all four faster. 10.64 vs. 12 is about 11% faster for 50% more money?

I'm gonna have to return to the stores and run some more tests to sell myself on 4-cores for now. :)

Ya well like I said.. I'm really running on a slow Computer right now.. so an upgrade is v. important at the moment. And I figure when running a couple of apps on the 3.0 will mosdef be better then anything shorter. Also Considering it will be still 3-6 months before the octo's go 3.0> .
The Quad 3.0 is still a powerful rig, that will still hold its own within the next year or so.

Another dilema I'm up against.. is buying a couple of cinema displays (23's).. Seeing as they may update them with the next two months. Higher-res, different sizes, prices, etc..

Well in the end anything is better then my 15" of real-estate. :cool:
 
Dell updates their 30" with latest backlightingto compete with HP's LP3065:
http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/11/14/dell.updates.30.inch.lcd/

Well, duh... That's why they have been dumping the current models for so cheap. While this is nice to see, I'm somewhat puzzled as to why they didnt upgrade a few more things or add a firewire hub. OTOH, it's great as it is so why mess with it. The new backlight is welcome, although the current one works pretty good too. This will really push the Dell ahead of the Apple 30" display too because they were essentially equal before.

Displaying 92% of the NTSC color gamut is great for an LCD, if it's true, that rivals many studio monitors. Most consumer grade CRT and plasma displays hover around the 85-90% mark.
 
I wonder what the resale market is going to be like for a first generation Pre-Stoakley 2.33GHz Dual Clovertown Mac Pro? Might be a tough sell AV.

Most of Dell's workstation and server systems use customized mainboards from Tyan, they're probably waiting on Tyan to deliver the goods. So that could be part of the delay there... As for HP taking orders, they have estimated ship dates of Nov. 30. But that's all I know. They're shipping single-CPU Kentsfield systems now and have been for a few weeks. But so has Dell...

As for an 8-core Mac Pro, I think any time between now and the end of February is possible for a multitude of reasons. And we can only guess as to what Apple will do... It's been shown (supposedly) that the 120W E5355 CPUs work in the Mac Pro, but even if the tests with those samples are legit, we don't know if they were getting the proper voltage and what the long-term effects would be in terms of operating on the current logic board or with the current cooling implementation. I'm assuming that for the E5355 CPUs, a simple drop-in replacement isn't going to be something that Apple will want to support on the current system. Not to mention that running two of those with a video card like the FX4500 and a fiber channel card will bring the system dangerously close to stressing the power supply or possibly put it over - especially if the system is equipped with dual optical drives and/or 3+ HDs.

As for resale of the 8-core Mac Pro systems (or any 8-core PC systems), I would be somewhat concerned about the value for anything released before the unified quad-core CPUs come out. We'll see what happens, but I'm still a little concerned about their implementation of placing two woodcrest CPUs onto a single die and still having the same FSB bandwidth that now must be shared between twice as many cores. I will probably wait for the initial benchmarks and reports before I buy. But I also don't know if I can wait for something better to come along... I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on a 3GHz quad right now and then revisit the 8-core possibility late next year.

Now that Apple has shifted to Intel, we're going to see more frequent upgrades to their computer lines. As before, I think they will typically be about 6 months apart (and that's what we're seeing with the notebooks), but with each update we'll see more than just a speed bump on the CPU, but rather a new CPU line. While resale values of Mac systems will probably still hold better than those of generic PC systems, I don't think values will hold as they have done in the past when a single CPU series would exist in a product line for 3 or 4 years with only occasional and gradual speed bumps.
 
New Dell 30" Is A Welcome Improvement For Still Less Money Than Apple

Dell updates their 30" with latest backlightingto compete with HP's LP3065:

MacNN - Dell debuts 3007WFP-HC updated 30-inch display for $1700 by year end
I'm still glad I was able to get my first one for less than $1400 including tax. And I'm excited that my next one will be even better. Plus if I had waited, I would have had to wait another couple of months to have my first one which I am majorly enjoying now.
Well, duh... That's why they have been dumping the current models for so cheap. While this is nice to see, I'm somewhat puzzled as to why they didnt upgrade a few more things or add a firewire hub. OTOH, it's great as it is so why mess with it. The new backlight is welcome, although the current one works pretty good too. This will really push the Dell ahead of the Apple 30" display too because they were essentially equal before.

Displaying 92% of the NTSC color gamut is great for an LCD, if it's true, that rivals many studio monitors. Most consumer grade CRT and plasma displays hover around the 85-90% mark.
Yeah I agree this makes the Dell a much better choice for still less money than Apple's alternative. When Dell offers the 3007WFP-HC for their usual 15% off it will still be only $1445 plus tax.

The HP LP3065 Has 3 DVI Inputs for only $1699 which would be a huge advantage if it's the same better backlight as the new Dell 3007WFP-HC.

HP LP3065 Smart Buy Wide Flat Panel Montior (Dual-link DVI graphics required)
$200 instant savings!.


HP is offering up to five $40 discounts on multiple monitor purchases.
 
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