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8-Core Mac Pro with Clovertown... in November?

Great To Read A Report Written By Someone Who Has No Use For An 8-Core Mac

paulvee said:
MacInTouch Special Report - Mac Pro Review: Follow-up by Robert Mohns

of course, they forgot to leave out the penis size/mental illness factor. ;)
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Yeah Bob ought to work for Apple Marketing. With friends like him who needs enemies? ;) Thanks to points of view like his, we can only pray we get an 8-Core Mac Pro by the end of next year. :rolleyes: :eek:

Really kind of makes me a little angry a little depressed to tell you the truth. Here's a guy who writes an opinion piece disguised as a "review follow-up" based on a conclusion he makes in advance of writing it. I mean, I don't get how that piece relates to those of us who are here because we absolutley know we need 8 and even more cores for the particular type of work we do. I read nothing in that piece about Stoakley nor Seaburg. He bases performance of the upcoming 8-core Mac Pro on the basis of Anandtech's processor swap in September to show us why 8-cores won't be so hot. It's a crock:
Based on our experience living with single processor, dual-processor and quad-processor Macs, we think that a duallie is the sweet spot for price/performance. And thanks to the Intel Core Duo series, it's an affordable sweet spot.
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This is completely unrelated to why any of us are here needing an 8-core Mac Pro.

Based on my experience with single processor, dual-processor and quad-processor Macs, I Know - not think - that a duallie is wholey inadequate and certainly not the price/performance sweet spot at all. A 2.66GHz Quad Mac Pro refurb is only $2199 now - only $200 more than a much slower 2.33GHz Merom 24" iMac which is not really a fair comparison due to all the expansion capabilities of the Mac Pro. If you trick out a MacBook Pro with 3GB of RAM and a maximum 200GB HD, the dual core 2.33GHz models costs way more than even the 3GHz Mac Pro Quad - 17" is $3474 while 15" is $3274 so where's the "Sweet Spot" Value in those much more expensive moble Macs that can't even see more than 3GB of RAM that you can only reach by paying an extra $575 for that last 1GB?

Besides my G5 Quad, I have a 2GHz dual core G5 here. And I can tell you it is c**p to use for anything more than basic stuff. Maybe I'm just a core Hog or I have core envy? I don't think so. I know that if you are doing anything to do with creative arts, 4 cores are a minimum and 8 cores will be even better in terms of being able to get work done fast.

I am sitting here having to wait for 3 compression processes to finish so I can start three more - not at once - for lack of cores. So I can tell you from MY Personal Experience that Mr. Mohns' "Conclusion" is a total crock and a complete waste of anyone's time to have read. :mad:
 
Multimedia said:
Really kind of makes me a little angry a little depressed to tell you the truth. Here's a guy who writes an opinion piece disguised as a "review follow-up" based on a conclusion he makes in advance of writing it. I mean, I don't get how that piece relates to those of us who are here because we absolutley know we need 8 and even more cores for the particular type of work we do.
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You really need to get over yourself. That piece was never intended to relate to Mac users like you who are a small fringe segment of the overall market.

Look at the freaking title of that section of the article... "What are all those cores for?" ... it's clear to anyone with a brain that this is aimed at general consumers. Anyone spending hours and hours crushing video or 3D modeling knows what all those cores are for. He even states that...
But if you're working with any sort of media — graphics, sound or video — its four cores can't be beat. They really do make a difference.
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Multimedia said:
A 2.66GHz Quad Mac Pro refurb is only $2199 now - only $200 more than a much slower 2.33GHz Merom 24" iMac which is not really a fair comparison due to all the expansion capabilities of the Mac Pro.
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Did you forget that the 24" iMac includes a 24" display? The 23" Cinima display is an extra $1000(there aren't any 23" refurbs). You also fail to mention that a refurbished 24" iMac is $500 cheaper than your refurb Mac Pro.

That's a $1500 difference, and almost twice the price of a refurb 24" iMac. So yes, a duallie is the sweet spot for price/performance for general consumers.

Multimedia said:
If you trick out a MacBook Pro with ...
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No one in their right mind is going to trick out a laptop to the power level of a workstation tower and expect the price to be similar. That's a stupid comparison.

Multimedia said:
Maybe I'm just a core Hog or I have core envy?
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Yes you are a core hog and you do have core envy.

Multimedia said:
I can tell you from MY Personal Experience that Mr. Mohns' "Conclusion" is a total crock and a complete waste of anyone's time to have read. :mad:
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I can tell you from MY Personal Experience that your "Conclusions" are a total crock and your posts are a complete waste of anyone's time unless they need a good laugh.
 
Multimedia said:
Yeah Bob ought to work for Apple Marketing. With friends like him who needs enemies? ;) Thanks to points of view like his, we can only pray we get an 8-Core Mac Pro by the end of next year
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Ya, I'm sure that Apple's release schedule hinges on his very words.


Multimedia said:
I am sitting here having to wait for 3 compression processes to finish so I can start three more - not at once - for lack of cores.
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Perhaps you should try working smarter, not harder.
 
I can tell you from MY Personal Experience that your "Conclusions" are a total crock and your posts are a complete waste of anyone's time unless they need a good laugh.[/QUOTE]

I agree slinger1968...this guy ripped me a new one cos he couldn't understand a question I asked eairlier....totally clueless and belittled by anything he can't understand. This coupled with his gigantic ego has left me the conclution, he has wasted post after post on this subject......FAIR WARNING don't waste your time with multimedia!
 
~Shard~ said:
I thought only people with small processors said that... :p :cool:
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No point in having a big processor if it's soft... :D

On an unrelated point, I know that processors can calculate stuff out of order and stuff it in the right order when it exits. I don't understand why they cant use that same idea to "Reverse Hyperthread" programs that would not normally want to run on multiple cores into running on multiple cores.

Actually, I might make a thread on it, and see what comes up.
 
Erasmus said:
On an unrelated point, I know that processors can calculate stuff out of order and stuff it in the right order when it exits. I don't understand why they cant use that same idea to "Reverse Hyperthread" programs that would not normally want to run on multiple cores into running on multiple cores.

Actually, I might make a thread on it, and see what comes up.
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Pun intended, right? :p :D
 
JimAtLaw said:
The Dells are now showing at $1499 each, was that some now-expired special?
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The price was $1599 and then they had various deals over the last month or so that would bring the price down to about $1275 to $1325 depending on which deal and day of the week. ...These were from their USA store too, so don't know about folks in Canada or elsewhere.

Dell has a new version of the 30" coming out shortly, with an improved backlight system and black mask to make it about 10% brighter with even better contrast. I think these recent specials were to help Dell move their remaining stock of the current model. Keep watching for the deals though, I wouldn't be surprised if they pop up again before the end of the year. Actually I would have thought they'd have one for this weekend.
 
and what is Apple doing about all these Dell "movements"?
playing the sitting duck game? :mad:
 
jaguarx said:
Doing what apple always does, taking their time and producing a tweaked, polished, upgraded product.
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But after they release that tweaked, polished, upgraded product they leave it on the market unchanged and forget to release ater a few years the new version! :D
 
Looking at Apple's history with Intel so far, I don't think that really rings true at all. They wait longer to announce but tend to ship in volume almost as fast. My guess personally is we'll see a minor upgrade of the MP at MWSF, putting it about a month behind, at most, the other players for the new chips.
 
Im sorry i didnt clarify that i was speaking regarding ACDs and not computers!
 
jaguarx said:
Doing what apple always does, taking their time and producing a tweaked, polished, upgraded product.
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...And then there's the Apple Cinema Displays. :rolleyes: Or should we say overpriced LCD monitors based on last-gen technology. The 30" is using the original 1st-gen Samsung panel. Dell is shifting from 2nd-gen to the 3rd-gen Samsung panel in their 30" with the new backlight system within the next couple weeks. Oh, and don't get your hopes up about Apple doing the same. Samsung/Sony branded LCDs, HP and Dell are the only ones using the new panel -- exclusive contracts and all that.
 
AppliedVisual said:
...And then there's the Apple Cinema Displays. :rolleyes: Or should we say overpriced LCD monitors based on last-gen technology. The 30" is using the original 1st-gen Samsung panel. Dell is shifting from 2nd-gen to the 3rd-gen Samsung panel in their 30" with the new backlight system within the next couple weeks. Oh, and don't get your hopes up about Apple doing the same. Samsung/Sony branded LCDs, HP and Dell are the only ones using the new panel -- exclusive contracts and all that.
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I agree 100% with u mate, check my view on the subject
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/246350/
 
Samsung/Sony branded LCDs, HP and Dell are the only ones using the new panel -- exclusive contracts and all that.
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Any proof/source on that? Find it hard to believe that they'd let themselves be locked out.
 
~Shard~ said:
Pun intended, right? :p :D
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You wouldn't believe it. No pun intended. I completely missed it. Worst punner ever.

BTW, The thread completely failed. One reply. Come on ppl, why is it that yous all are perfectly happy to bitch about "Waiting for Memron Macbook" threads, but whenever someone comes up with an original question, it gets no posts?

At least Merom and other common threads get posts.

So at risk of thread spamming, Post Here if you know why!
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/255397/
Please.

Anyway, old tech on LCD screens? I'm sorry, but my 6 year old 15" LCD still works perfectly. (The first ever LCD screen Apple released for a desktop? Maybe? At least one of the first) What is there to upgrade? Use slightly less power, be slightly faster, be a bit brighter, black a little bit blacker...

Nothing to panic about. One advantage of using Macs. The only complaints we have are extremely pedantic.

Worrying that Apple is using slightly older technology in their LCD screens seems silly. If it works well and for a long time, what's the problem?

My 5 cents. Clearly 2 cent coins don't exist any more, so my thoughts are worth more.
 
jaguarx said:
Any proof/source on that? Find it hard to believe that they'd let themselves be locked out.
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I read it somewhere, I'll try to dig it up. This also happened with the 2nd-gen. 24" Samsung panel in that Sony and Dell were the only two names selling that panel in their monitor for the first 5 months of its lifespan. This actually happens quite a bit as the production runs are fairly limited for the first several months. ... But this happens quite a lot. IIRC, the exclusive rights to the new 30" panel expire in May or June... And it's not so much an exclusive rights deal as it is more that Dell and HP muscled their way in and have already agreed to purchase the initial production runs. Samsung is probably looking specifically for buyers to do this before they begin production. Apple doesn't sell enough monitors to pull off something like that.
 
Erasmus said:
Nothing to panic about. One advantage of using Macs. The only complaints we have are extremely pedantic.

Worrying that Apple is using slightly older technology in their LCD screens seems silly. If it works well and for a long time, what's the problem?
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There is no "problem"... And there's nothing wrong with the Apple displays... In fact, they're still very nice (I do own one of their 30" units, BTW). Where the real complaints come from is that Apple has done nothing to update the ACD line in 2 years other than introduce a 30" model and they have had one (yes, just one) price adjustment last summer. So, why buy the ACD monitors when a Dell or Samsung will get you a newer panel with slight improvements in brightness/contrast/yadda.. yadda... and will be significantly cheaper. In the case of the 30" AC vs. 30" Dell, you're saving a MINIMUM of $500 - up to $750 with recent coupons. That's where the real complaints were. And while the ACD models are very well built, so are the Dell ones - especially the 24" and 30" models. They're outstanding and come with 3 year warranties right out of the box.

I know I'm plugging Dell... I don't have any vested interest though and don't own stock, I have just been very pleased with my display purchases from them. Simply great products for the money. As always, YMMV and I'll leave it at that. I've also met plenty of people willing to pay the $700 premium and get last-year's panel just so their 30" display matches their computer. If that's important to you and/or makes you happy, then go for it. :D Same thing with using a 6-year-old LCD. The newer monitors are way better and do have a lot more to offer. But then again, if what you have works for you, why change?
 
AppliedVisual said:
I've also met plenty of people willing to pay the $700 premium and get last-year's panel just so their 30" display matches their computer. If that's important to you and/or makes you happy, then go for it. :D Same thing with using a 6-year-old LCD. The newer monitors are way better and do have a lot more to offer. But then again, if what you have works for you, why change?
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OK, I now understand where you are coming from, and I agree with the price issue.

But what do newer monitors have to offer other than being very slightly better in different ways? For example, how many times were people saying Merom's 10% increase in speed wasn't worth waiting for, and to just buy now? 64 bit computing won't affect you for the likely life of your computer, and the slightly better "fuel consumption" would not be noticeable?

If that wasn't worth waiting three months for (I think it was, but some disagreed) then these tiny upgrades in LCD quality are certainly nothing to worry about.

So exactly what does a new LCD monitor have over my 15" monitor that would justify waiting six years for?

I hope you get my point, and that is I can see nothing that Apple isn't offering in LCD screens that other companies are that is worth worrying about.

200th post!
 
Samsung is probably looking specifically for buyers to do this before they begin production. Apple doesn't sell enough monitors to pull off something like that.
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I would've guessed Apple would have sold a fair number of 30" displays, considering the market for them and considering Apple's market at the Pro end, particularly for vis work compared to say Dell. I also would've thought they'd skip a generation or two then gone for the latest, maybe not.
 
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