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8-Core Mac Pro with Clovertown... in November?

Dell Leapfrogged Apple And Now HP Joins Dell With 3rd Gen 3 DL DVI Input Model

jaguarx said:
I would've guessed Apple would have sold a fair number of 30" displays, considering the market for them and considering Apple's market at the Pro end, particularly for vis work compared to say Dell. I also would've thought they'd skip a generation or two then gone for the latest, maybe not.
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Seems the opposite is true in the case of the 30". While Apple led the way with first gen 30", they have never gone further while Dell only just started with 2nd gen a year ago and now are about to offer a 3rd generation $1699 30'' UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC along with HP this December. HP may have a leg up though as it's $1699 LP3065 offering includes 3 Dual-Link DVI inputs instead of Dell's only one. I read this in this Engadget review:

1000:1 contrast ratio
2560 x 1600 pixels
92 percent color gamut
178 x 178 degree viewing angles
three dual-link DVI-D inputs and two dual-link DVI cables
-- and has a respectable brightness of 300 nits.
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but can't find it listed on the HP site as a feature. Weird.
 
i was one of those guys who paid the premium just for the looks of the ADC over the significantly cheaper Dell, although through the people i've met during the last 2 years at various production houses, including The Mill, they've said the ADC had the overall edge over the Dell in terms of accurate reproduction, and that many consider it broadcast quality, even without the HDLink, they also noted how clients subconsciously think something looks better on an Apple Monitor, much like how people think B&O tvs look better than standard Philips tvs!! :) But maybe they were just saying that to make me feel better about my investment as i drooled over their 20,000K+ Broadcast monitors, also they were talking about the 1st and 2nd gen.

Eitherway i just hope any new Apple monitor doesn't drastically change in appearance, i'm a stickler for upgrading to newer versions just because they look better, it's a weakness, i hope the only upgrades are brightness etc.. and possibly a IR receiver.. please don't add any new video inputs, or else i'll be forced to upgrade, as thats the main thing the Dell has over the ADC for me... and if they make the apple logo on the back glow, then i'm a goner! :rolleyes:
 
This thread is STILL going? :)

Now that Intel has sampled 45 nanometer chips, it seems the next wave of chips might be here as early as February-March 2007.

Also this is a bit ahead of schedule, so I wonder if there have been any public (or developer NDA) disclosures of an earlier Stokley (sp?) chipset release to go along with existing Clovertown C2Q chips?

I was posting some three years ago about RAID everywhere to keep up with processor and frontside bus improvements. It really has not happened except X-serve and MacPro.

Since the new push will be media servers it seems I/O speed will be a bottleneck soon. Certainly download speeds are a HUGE bottleneck for most people, and the proposed 802.11n network for the media center to media display is only moderate speed even in short distances like that.

Of course this means a serious caching capacity will be needed.

And this is all assuming mere 480p (TV) and 1080i (HDTV). Typically in 2-3 rooms at a time.

What the heck will happen when a home theatre or commercial theatre 4k content stream is presented? That be the good stuff BTW.

Rocketman
 
3 DL-DVI Input HP 30" Cold Cathode Florescent Lamp (CCFL) Still Elusive Spec

Multimedia said:
HP may have a leg up though as it's $1699 LP3065 offering includes 3 Dual-Link DVI inputs instead of Dell's only one. I read this in this Engadget review
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AppliedVisual said:
This is huge if it's true... Eliminates the need for a third-party switch and dual-link DVI switches are EXPENSIVE.
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This HP webpage for this $1659 after $40 rebate 'til end of January CCFL 30" Monitor is one of the worst I have ever seen for a breakthrough product. The two reasons you would want to buy this monitor over Apple or Dell are BOTH missing from the description. And now the price is not even listed correctly, was $1699 now says $1899. Confusion reigns at HP. :rolleyes:

1. Cold Cathode Florescent Lamp (CCFL) provides much broader color spectrum than ever before - 92% NTSC color gamut. This is the same new lamp being used in the latest top of the line Samsung and Sony HDTVs. I think Apple has to offer this soon to keep up with state-of-the-art display tech - by the Monday April 16 opening of the NAB Expo at the latest.

2. Three (3) Dual Link DVI Input Ports. As AppliedVisual mentioned, he had to pay over $800 for a 4 way DVI switch to be able to drive his 30" Dell from more than one computer. So this would be a huge money saver for those of us with more than one computer running most of the time.

No sign of the Dell offering yet. Any of you want to help HP get their description page together should head over there and send their webmaster a feedback massage. Somebody in marketing there has truely dropped the ball big time.

Oh and you cannot find that page by running a search for that model number in their website search engine. You need to use this link.
 
Link To Nerds Please?

Regarding the new HP 30" Flat Panel with CCFL & 3 DL-DVI Ports.
pmbooks said:
Of course, that Amazon retailer is charging $175 for shipping (vs Nerds for $1532 plus $65 ship)
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Link to Nerds order page please?

I can't even find what site you mean much less the page that price is offered on. That's a new all time low for price. $1597
 
Where Is The Nerds Website Selling HP 30" For $1597?

pmbooks said:
Of course, that Amazon retailer is charging $175 for shipping (vs Nerds for $1532 plus $65 ship)
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Shipping weight 300 pounds. :D right. More like a little over 30 pounds. So that's why their shipping charge is so over inflated.

Anyone know where that Nerds site is that's selling it for $1597 shipped? I've Googled "Nerds" to no avail.
 
Multimedia said:
Anyone know where that Nerds site is that's selling it for $1597 shipped? I've Googled "Nerds" to no avail.
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It's www.thenerds.net

Anyway, they have two listings for the HP LP3065 and both are the same monitor, but different packaging and warranties. The first is the one for $1532 and is the "promo" model... Brown box, no bonus software, one cable and 1 year warranty, limited options for return/exchange -- 3 in stock as a "smart buy". Then they have another listing at $1792.73 and showing 32 in stock. These are the retail sale models, 2 DVI cables additional software (not clear what though, I've had to do a lot of digging on other sites to get this much info), and a 3-year warranty.

FWIW, pulling up the price on the "promo" mode, Page Computer has it for $1524 w/ $30 shipping. Looks like Tiger Direct has the best price for the retail model at $1689 vs. HP's online store at $1899 MSRP.

Personally, I would wait unless you absolutely need it now. Dell will be releasing their's in the next few weeks and it will most likely be cheaper. Which means the price on the HP unit should drop a bit. ...But if I were choosing between the two, I would probably opt for the HP model over the Dell (even though it looks to have lower brightness and the stand isn't as attractive) because it has the 3 inputs. And Dell hasn't made the specs on their upcoming model official yet. But it appears it consumes a few more watts and will boast 360nits with other features remaining the same as the HP (and probably only one input).
 
Page Is In Los Angeles CA, Nerds In North Miami Beach FL

AppliedVisual said:
It's www.thenerds.net

Anyway, they have two listings for the HP LP3065 and both are the same monitor, but different packaging and warranties. The first is the one for $1532 and is the "promo" model... Brown box, no bonus software, one cable and 1 year warranty, limited options for return/exchange -- 3 in stock as a "smart buy". Then they have another listing at $1792.73 and showing 32 in stock. These are the retail sale models, 2 DVI cables additional software (not clear what though, I've had to do a lot of digging on other sites to get this much info), and a 3-year warranty.

FWIW, pulling up the price on the "promo" mode, Page Computer has it for $1524 w/ $30 shipping. Looks like Tiger Direct has the best price for the retail model at $1689 vs. HP's online store at $1899 MSRP.

Personally, I would wait unless you absolutely need it now. Dell will be releasing their's in the next few weeks and it will most likely be cheaper. Which means the price on the HP unit should drop a bit. ...But if I were choosing between the two, I would probably opt for the HP model over the Dell (even though it looks to have lower brightness and the stand isn't as attractive) because it has the 3 inputs. And Dell hasn't made the specs on their upcoming model official yet. But it appears it consumes a few more watts and will boast 360nits with other features remaining the same as the HP (and probably only one input).
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Thanks. I agree three Dual Link DVI Inputs trumps the other specs and will also be buying an HP after the smoke clears, unless Dell offers three inputs.

I can't figure out where you found the Nerds lower price of $1532.66 doesn't include the second DVI cable. Their price is right. And they're in Miami Beach FL so no sales tax for CA. But now they say they're SOLD OUT from 500 In Stock to Zero overnight at that lower price.

Page Computer at $1524.85 is good for you outside California, but would cost us in CA an extra $122 in sales tax.

Tiger Direct is already down to $1619.99 today. But they have the same shipping mistake as at Amazon saying they must ship 35 pounds by truck for $187.50. I phoned them just now to get them to fix it. Shipping from Miami to CA is now only $62.92 UPS Ground.

Tiger Direct total now $1682.91 including UPS Ground Shipping or less if you're closer to Miami but not in Florida, Illinois or North Carolina where they charge sales tax too.
 
This Article Makes Feb-March Look Even More Likely Than Before

yipster222 said:
Tom's Hardware Article - Quad-Core Xeon Clovertown Rolls Into DP Servers

Dual Quad MacPro next week??
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Those benchmarks show how much we'll need Stoakley-Seaburg inside to realize real benefit from 8 cores. The fact that any Clovertown are shipping only just now makes me think the Apple offering will not happen before near the end of Winter more than ever. In that case I'd rather wait for Leopard to be inside as well.

Any time sooner will be a pleasant surprise to me. I was so wrong to believe it was going to happen last month before I knew about Stoakley-Seaburg, my revised expectation is probably further out than anyone else here. I have yet to see another article mentioning them. But Geoff Gaslor gave us an excellent detailed explanation of why we'll need them to get real difference from a dual Clovertown Mac Pro.
 
One of the Best Thread's Ever!

Multimedia said:
Those benchmarks show how much we'll need Stoakley-Seaburg inside to realize real benefit from 8 cores. The fact that any Clovertown are shipping only just now makes me think the Apple offering will not happen before the end of Winter more than ever. In that case I'd rather wait for Leopard to be inside as well.
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Thanks to all of you for continuing to share knowledge in this thread! It has been a long ongoing saga, this journey to Clovertown. I have learned and benefited so much from the Stoakley-Seaburg discussion and now from the 30" display discussions. I am hanging on to the Quad G5 and current 30" a bit longer.

Thanks again to all of you.

Dante
 
3 More Months Of 8 Core Filler Posts To Go

dante@sisna.com said:
Thanks to all of you for continuing to share knowledge in this thread! It has been a long ongoing saga, this journey to Clovertown. I have learned and benefited so much from the Stoakley-Seaburg discussion and now from the 30" display discussions. I am hanging on to the Quad G5 and current 30" a bit longer.

Thanks again to all of you.
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Thank you. You are keeping it going as well as we are. I think there's only a handful who want to keep this thread going anyway. After that major put down by slinger1968 over my criticism of Bob Mohns' MacInTouch put down of 8 cores for the masses at post #429, I almost quit being here ever again. slinger1968 is convinced I am useless here and should be excommunicated from the tribe. But then I realized since (s)he's only been here since August, (s)he's almost a newbie who is unfamiliar with my sense of humor which most of the rest of you are.

Regarding this Tom's Hardware Article - Quad-Core Xeon Clovertown Rolls Into DP Servers newest discovered article we are now discussing, I think we also need to take it with a grain of salt because all the "benchmarks" are based on PC software and not any Mac software at all. Moreover, no mention is made of multitasking a bunch of multithreaded applications - even multiple copies of the same application - simultaneously. This is why I want an 8 core Mac Pro and I think others here do as well. No way is Apple going to release an 8 core Mac Pro that performs more poorly than the Quad it will supersede. I'm optimistic Leopard will be very helpful for everything to work better with more cores if you can learn to fill them up most of the time. :p

Wonder if we can keep this thread be the one that takes us all the way 'til the Dual Clovertown Mac Pro ships. :eek:

Oh yeah, one more thing, as I've written before, I will NEVER be selling my G5 Quad as it is the most reliable and fastest 4 core Mac in the world that can still run Classic. :D
 
The Toms article has me a bit puzzled... It reads as if it was written 3 weeks ago and they just posted it now as filler for the site. They talk of Clovertowns just now shipping (which happened over 3 weeks ago)... Their overview doesn't mention the 5335 2GHz model at all and the article keeps referencing a 3GHz top model. However, Intel has yet to show a 3GHz Clovertown in any form other than a very limited-release engineering sample and it doesn't even have an official product number (one could assume 5365).

FWIW, HP is now delivering workstation and server corporate orders with dual Clovertowns at 2GHz and 2.33GHz with 2.66GHz within the next week or so. They will be offering them in regular consumer channels shortly and look to be right on schedule with what I posted a couple weeks ago. Not that it was a big deal as both HP and Intel jointly stated those delivery dates... HP being Intel's Clovertown launch partner and all that.

It's possible we'll see 8-core Macs at MWSF or even announced just before (it's only about a month away). But I'm betting we will see them announced this spring (probably at NAB) and we'll see a Stoakley based platform. Intel also appears to be ahead of shcedule with the 45nm process and it's possible we'll see 45nm unified quad chips late spring or early summer and if that's the case, I'll probably try to hold off and buy then. My quad G5s are still holding up, even though they're starting to feel a bit slow compared to my latest Windows/Linux boxes.
 
whatever said:
Don't worry about it.

There is no reason for Apple to change the MacPro line at this point. Maybe in January, but even then I doubt it.

Intel is just trying to bury AMD, which they are (AMD closed at $20.83 (just think a few months ago they were trading over $40.00) and Intel closed at $21.72 (a few months ago they were trading at $16.00)).

Apple said it last week, Pros are waiting for CS3 before they upgrade, so expect to hear the announcement of upgraded Mac Pros once Adobe finishes up their applications.

Besides wasn't there a thread a few weeks back which stated that the 8 Core machines run slower than the Quads?

Don't worry about it. I know that my new MacPro has already paid for itself.
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And what if I buy a macpro now ? I was waiting for the clovertown macpros but now I wonder. I don't want to wait till march, if it's january that's ok for me but not later.I am a logic pro user, not photoshop and logic is already in UB...It's the eternal hesitation of the man who don't want to buy a "new" thing if there's an update the day after ! This is so boring Apple never announce any product release.
 
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