well, to my surprise (and maybe others')... it says 5 days at the online store... so that's not bad at all for a new product...
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well, to my surprise (and maybe others')... it says 5 days at the online store... so that's not bad at all for a new product...
Disappointed in the 1 firewire port... And I was hoping for DVD writer.
Two firewire ports would be the best deal. I also heard that the TI Powerbook is to small for a DVD-R.
-Robotrenegade
Two firewire ports would be the best deal. I also heard that the TI Powerbook is to small for a DVD-R.
-Robotrenegade
Is VAT included???
Someone mentioned that Apple's price includes the VAT. I know they have a VAT in England, but what about the rest of Europe?
I agree about the cost... It is still less then what I originally paid for my 500MHz TiBook when they came out. I just need to sell my 500 so that I can get an 800... I would have liked it better with a new finish, but oh well, the speed makes up for that (along with the new GPU).
All I can say is wow! I want one! If I had the $, I'd be grabbing an 800 right now to replace my iBook.. 
Looks like the rumos were true and then some.. upgraded screen resolution AND upgraded graphics chip.. faster G4 AND full 1MB L3.. woohoo!
Looks like the rumos were true and then some.. upgraded screen resolution AND upgraded graphics chip.. faster G4 AND full 1MB L3.. woohoo!
There are still things missing: They should have confirmed the chip type (Apollo?), had a second Firewire, built in Bluetooth, DDR ram instead of the SDRAM, and faster bus (>133).
I personally would have liked a superdrive, but I know that's a pipe dream for now.
Thanks Apple, keep it up.
I personally would have liked a superdrive, but I know that's a pipe dream for now.
Thanks Apple, keep it up.
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im so tired of this crap.
so go ahead, ****, get off these forums, go buy your PC laptop and bitch about it on some PC forum. otherwise, complain about the price in more intelligent ways than "PCs cost this much"
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pcs works, mac works
i don't want buy pcs 'cause my choice is osx
i can't buy tibooks 'cause it cost's too much
Apple prices in US is ok, in Europe not, for the middle price model i need to pay 4559 Euro (equivalent to 4112 US$). That's too mutch for most peoples.
im so tired of this crap.
so go ahead, ****, get off these forums, go buy your PC laptop and bitch about it on some PC forum. otherwise, complain about the price in more intelligent ways than "PCs cost this much"
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What do you wanna read in this forum?
Apple is awesome?
Incredible prices?
Doubles pentium performances?
Go to apple.com for this intelligent way to discuss apple products.
pcs works, mac works
i don't want buy pcs 'cause my choice is osx
i can't buy tibooks 'cause it cost's too much
Apple prices in US is ok, in Europe not, for the middle price model i need to pay 4559 Euro (equivalent to 4112 US$). That's too mutch for most peoples.
"Disappointed in the 1 firewire port... And I was hoping for DVD writer."
Two firewire ports would be the best deal. I also heard that the TI Powerbook is to small for a DVD-R.
-Robotrenegade
Two firewire ports would be the best deal. I also heard that the TI Powerbook is to small for a DVD-R.
-Robotrenegade
Originally posted by eyelikeart
hey Alpha...need a towel??! he he he...
I grabbed a stack of paper towels the other day, good thing too...
Now, to see about getting one of those new puppies...
The super drive would be nice, but 2 firewire ports aren't necessary, you can connect in serial more firewire devices than you could easily manage on the machine. The only time more than one would come in handy is if you have an iPod and digital camera to hook up at the same time. I don't know about you, but that doesn't happen all that often for me.
I'm more excited about the DVI port and higher res screen.
Originally posted by ChrisWright
Does anyone know if the new Powerbook uses the Apollo G4 processors?
I don't think so if you mean, "Is it the lower-power 7445 processor that would allow cooler running?" But I'm no engineer and would appreciate comments from those with more knowledge/experience on this. Help!
From what I see at Motorola, mainly the PPCCPUSUMM .pdf, the specs show no support for L3 cache in the lower-power 7445. So it must be the same 7450 as in the 667 or the 7455, which both support L3 cahce and which run at higher voltages and dissipate more heat that would cause the fan to run.
Does anyone know if they did anything to correct the poor Airport range?
Does anyone know if the new Powerbook uses the Apollo G4 processors?
I don't think so if you mean, "Is it the lower-power 7445 processor that would allow cooler running?" But I'm no engineer and would appreciate comments from those with more knowledge/experience on this. Help!
From what I see at Motorola, mainly the PPCCPUSUMM .pdf, the specs show no support for L3 cache in the lower-power 7445. So it must be the same 7450 as in the 667 or the 7455, which both support L3 cahce and which run at higher voltages and dissipate more heat that would cause the fan to run.
Does anyone know if they did anything to correct the poor Airport range?
Memory Throughput
Those of you complaining about a lack of a faster system bus, lookat the tech specs.
The 667 shows a 2.5Gbs throughput.
The 800 shows a 3.2 Gbs throughput.
I'm not an expert, but doesn't that mean that the 800 is using the 133 bus?
Those of you complaining about a lack of a faster system bus, lookat the tech specs.
The 667 shows a 2.5Gbs throughput.
The 800 shows a 3.2 Gbs throughput.
I'm not an expert, but doesn't that mean that the 800 is using the 133 bus?
Re: Memory Throughput
According to the tech spec's, they BOTH are using the 133MHz bus. They both have 1MB DDR L3 cache's.
I WANT ONE!!
According to the tech spec's, they BOTH are using the 133MHz bus. They both have 1MB DDR L3 cache's.
I WANT ONE!!
looks like I'm heading for the 667...it won't set me back much at all and with all of the extras....I'll have a considerable difference in performance...esp with the L3 cache & new video...
something I think about is why the hell did Apple not go with something like it in the Rev. A?? was it simply to get the things out...then tweak them out later once they had interest??
something I think about is why the hell did Apple not go with something like it in the Rev. A?? was it simply to get the things out...then tweak them out later once they had interest??
Re: Re: Memory Throughput
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I think that the paragraph at the middle of the page that says 133Mhz bus is misleading. If you look at the bottom of the page in the chart, it clearly shows that the 667 is on a slower bus than the 800.
Anyone clear this up?
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I think that the paragraph at the middle of the page that says 133Mhz bus is misleading. If you look at the bottom of the page in the chart, it clearly shows that the 667 is on a slower bus than the 800.
Anyone clear this up?
Originally posted by dukestreet
The super drive would be nice, but 2 firewire ports aren't necessary, you can connect in serial more firewire devices than you could easily manage on the machine. The only time more than one would come in handy is if you have an iPod and digital camera to hook up at the same time. I don't know about you, but that doesn't happen all that often for me.
I'm more excited about the DVI port and higher res screen.
External FW HD - (I use to boot 9 & as HD backup), Sony Digi Cam, Ipod. I hear you on the serial connecting, but most (none of mine) devices don't allow for it.
O yes - Screen res is brilliant.
Re: Re: Re: Memory Throughput
Ok, here it is from the spec's page (it is also shown in the Apple Store's PowerBook page).
Processor and memory
667- or 800MHz PowerPC G4 processor with Velocity Engine
1MB of DDR SDRAM level 3 cache
133MHz system bus
256MB or 512MB of PC133 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 1GB
Ok, here it is from the spec's page (it is also shown in the Apple Store's PowerBook page).
Processor and memory
667- or 800MHz PowerPC G4 processor with Velocity Engine
1MB of DDR SDRAM level 3 cache
133MHz system bus
256MB or 512MB of PC133 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 1GB
So I was a nay sayer all last week, going on about how Apple couldn't put out new machines a week before WWDC. Well, I'm eating my words and happy to do it.
Now the big question is why? And eMac with a G4, a TiPB with DDR RAM, hmm. Could there be even bigger things in store for WWDC?
The iApp for video conferencing is going to be coming out in MWNY with QT6, that's going to be cool.
All I can think is that the G4 pro line is loosing ground to its lower end brothers, something HAS to happen to then soon. Could it be as soon as next week? It seems doubtful, but who knows.
Now the big question is why? And eMac with a G4, a TiPB with DDR RAM, hmm. Could there be even bigger things in store for WWDC?
The iApp for video conferencing is going to be coming out in MWNY with QT6, that's going to be cool.
All I can think is that the G4 pro line is loosing ground to its lower end brothers, something HAS to happen to then soon. Could it be as soon as next week? It seems doubtful, but who knows.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Memory Throughput
We're going in circles here. I saw that. It clearly states a 133Mhz bus.
Why then does the 667 show a memory throughput of 2.5GBps and the 800 a memory throughput of 3.2GBps. Look at the bottom of the tech specs page and you'll see what I'm talking about. In order to have different memory throughputs either the buses need to be different speeds or different widths. Different widths I find highly unlikely.
The bottom line is that Apple is contradicting itself in its own literature, so quoting their literature as proof isn't going to convince me. Does anyone have a reliable source to say which one is correct?
We're going in circles here. I saw that. It clearly states a 133Mhz bus.
Why then does the 667 show a memory throughput of 2.5GBps and the 800 a memory throughput of 3.2GBps. Look at the bottom of the tech specs page and you'll see what I'm talking about. In order to have different memory throughputs either the buses need to be different speeds or different widths. Different widths I find highly unlikely.
The bottom line is that Apple is contradicting itself in its own literature, so quoting their literature as proof isn't going to convince me. Does anyone have a reliable source to say which one is correct?
Sorry, my bad
OK I'll take credit when I screw up. The memory throughput figures that caught my eye were for the cache... which is couple to the processor clock so of course the faster clock makes for more throughput.
I feel stupid now.
Thanks for listening folks. Nothing to see here. You can all go home. Nothing to see here.
OK I'll take credit when I screw up. The memory throughput figures that caught my eye were for the cache... which is couple to the processor clock so of course the faster clock makes for more throughput.
I feel stupid now.
Thanks for listening folks. Nothing to see here. You can all go home. Nothing to see here.
Re: Sorry, my bad
yeah man...u getting everyone's panties in a bunch here...he he he...
anyway...I read the specs on the "Buy Now" page and it said they were both on 133 system bus...so I got confused a bit myself...
yeah man...u getting everyone's panties in a bunch here...he he he...
anyway...I read the specs on the "Buy Now" page and it said they were both on 133 system bus...so I got confused a bit myself...
My next post was going to be about the speed and such differences, but you found it out on your own.
For that, you get one brownie point.... Get enough of them, and you can purchase either flame proof shorts, or try and get a 'get out of flamewar free' card.... both good items to have in reserve.
For that, you get one brownie point.... Get enough of them, and you can purchase either flame proof shorts, or try and get a 'get out of flamewar free' card.
... both good items to have in reserve.Ok, so this has been a pretty good day, but...
WHAT'S IN STORE at the MWNY? They couldn't have blown their entire wad now with nothing left for then, could they?
Oh, and why is Motorola's press release department so confident it will post a profit during the second half of the year?
What's it all mean?
WHAT'S IN STORE at the MWNY? They couldn't have blown their entire wad now with nothing left for then, could they?
Oh, and why is Motorola's press release department so confident it will post a profit during the second half of the year?
What's it all mean?