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800mhz TiBook!
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Wow.............
I was totally anticipating making a morning "Pie-List" for the day with 4 or 5 people whining about how this is such a SMALL change and why doesn't Apple do a TiBook with another 50 BTU's of components in it..... blah blah blah
But that isn't the case.......bravo. Carry on!!
BTW: I WANT ONE TOO........
For the record:
The maximum cost is $8,552.00 with all the extras, 23" monitor, AppleCare, etc.
I was totally anticipating making a morning "Pie-List" for the day with 4 or 5 people whining about how this is such a SMALL change and why doesn't Apple do a TiBook with another 50 BTU's of components in it..... blah blah blah
But that isn't the case.......bravo. Carry on!!
BTW: I WANT ONE TOO........
For the record:
The maximum cost is $8,552.00 with all the extras, 23" monitor, AppleCare, etc.
Re: good, but in Europe prices are hight
Then do. Fast. And shut the hell up about it when you do. I don't care if you can buy 50 PC notebooks and make a cluster of them, they still won't be able to run Mac OS X... and that's why you buy a Mac. Get OVER the price. Cope.
Then do. Fast. And shut the hell up about it when you do. I don't care if you can buy 50 PC notebooks and make a cluster of them, they still won't be able to run Mac OS X... and that's why you buy a Mac. Get OVER the price. Cope.
Re: Re: good, but in Europe prices are hight
The complaint isn't that the price is too high period, but that the 'exchange rate' is a rip off. If a 3000 buck dell pc is costing say, 2300 quid here, but a comparably priced apple is coming in at 2800 sheets, then I think euro consumers should and would be justifiably peeved. That kind of exchange rate trick is nothing more than sharp practice, and one that has just recently burnt M$'s x-box fingers.
The complaint isn't that the price is too high period, but that the 'exchange rate' is a rip off. If a 3000 buck dell pc is costing say, 2300 quid here, but a comparably priced apple is coming in at 2800 sheets, then I think euro consumers should and would be justifiably peeved. That kind of exchange rate trick is nothing more than sharp practice, and one that has just recently burnt M$'s x-box fingers.
Re: Re: Re: good, but in Europe prices are hight
Yes, but does the Dell price include the VAT? In one of the other posts, someone stated that Apple is now including VAT in their prices where most companies do not. Would the VAT bring the 2300 quid Dell up to the 2800 quid Mac?
you would think a revamped desktop Pro machine would wait for MWNYC, but does 3 months seem far away for a revision right now? they did do the jump to 2 x 1,000mghz in mid January, so July is keeping the approx 5 month cycle. i don't see a G5 yet, but i would think there will be *something* to really set the flagship pro model apart from the consumer machines. i am hoping they will finally jump the motherboards to something faster (and faster chips would be nice). with all the high end AV editing Apple is really jumping into (with recent buys of software makers), i would think they will need some sort of killer machine to make that work fly. rendering of CG effects takes a looooooooong time, and time is money. those high end users are willing to shell out some serious money for a machine is it can increase productivity that much. think what a digital editor for a top hollywood studio is paid. then think of how much they are paid to sit and drink pepsi while work is rendering. a friend of mine made an independent horror movie. it got some CG work done in post production. it was done at a well known, well geared place (powermac G4s). even the minor work he had done took forever to render. he said there were couches everywhere to nap while things were being done. that's a lot of wasted time. *if* they can make the hardware to reduce that wasted time, it's well worth the price to the serious high end users.
Re: Re: Re: good, but in Europe prices are hight
I understand that... and no one is saying that it is fair.. but neither is it new. That is the way Apple has always done it, is the way they likely always will do it, and complaining about it AGAIN each time any new Apple product is released is TIRESOME at best. MORE importantly, the whole bit about constantly comparing the price to PC prices is a really quick way to piss off anyone who has to listen to that drivel in here 15 times a day.
Re: Memory Throughput
The main system bus is 133 MHz. This means that that the SDRAM is PC-133. This is actually quite fast for a laptop. Before anyone comments about DDR, the G4 does not support it. Get over it. You are going to have DDR system ram using a current G4. Apple has, at least on the desktop systems, streamlined the memory to processor path, thus rendering 133 quite fast. It is also more economic to use PC-133 and streamline the board than to use more expensive and exotic ram types (See Rambus 400).
The throughput is a function of the chip cache. The L3 cache runs at 1/4 the speed of the chip. For a 667 MHz processor, the cache is running at 166 MHz. This gives you a throughput of 2.5 GBps. The 800 MHz version has cache running at 200 MHz, giving a throughput of 3.2 GBps.
I hope this answers your question.
The main system bus is 133 MHz. This means that that the SDRAM is PC-133. This is actually quite fast for a laptop. Before anyone comments about DDR, the G4 does not support it. Get over it. You are going to have DDR system ram using a current G4. Apple has, at least on the desktop systems, streamlined the memory to processor path, thus rendering 133 quite fast. It is also more economic to use PC-133 and streamline the board than to use more expensive and exotic ram types (See Rambus 400).
The throughput is a function of the chip cache. The L3 cache runs at 1/4 the speed of the chip. For a 667 MHz processor, the cache is running at 166 MHz. This gives you a throughput of 2.5 GBps. The 800 MHz version has cache running at 200 MHz, giving a throughput of 3.2 GBps.
I hope this answers your question.
Re: Re: Re: Re: good, but in Europe prices are hight
Here's what they're saying. A $3000 Dell in the US is sold in the UK for 2300 pounds. A $3000 Powerbook in the US is sold in the UK for 2800 pounds. That's what they're complaining about, not the currency conversion.
I'm not speaking for lelereb or pants, but I think the complaint has merit.
Here's what they're saying. A $3000 Dell in the US is sold in the UK for 2300 pounds. A $3000 Powerbook in the US is sold in the UK for 2800 pounds. That's what they're complaining about, not the currency conversion.
Well, I love the new machine, but it sucks for me because I just bought one in November. I can't see dumping the one I have and getting a new one, even though its more than just a speed bump.
I'll be a little envious when the post comes along "I just got my new TiPB 800!"
I'll get to do this in a year or so when they put a G5 in it (don't start talking about heat and battery issues, I know) and I'll make everyone else jealous. How soon do you think the Apple stores will have then in? I'd love to go and drool on on?
I'll be a little envious when the post comes along "I just got my new TiPB 800!"
I'll get to do this in a year or so when they put a G5 in it (don't start talking about heat and battery issues, I know) and I'll make everyone else jealous. How soon do you think the Apple stores will have then in? I'd love to go and drool on on?
maybe within the next 3 weeks....I'm not sure how long it took originally since they took nearly a month to get initial orders out...
re: Euro Prices
If the price difference is too much, here's an idea...
How much are plane tickets?
Bring a very old worthless PC laptop working or not, declare it when you enter the country and drop it in the trash on the way out the airport. Take a taxi to the Apple Store, buy a tiBook get back on the plane.
Oh yeah, fly to a state that doesn't have sales tax or have it mail ordered to a friend/accomplice.
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Where there is a will, there is a relative.
If the price difference is too much, here's an idea...
How much are plane tickets?
Bring a very old worthless PC laptop working or not, declare it when you enter the country and drop it in the trash on the way out the airport. Take a taxi to the Apple Store, buy a tiBook get back on the plane.
Oh yeah, fly to a state that doesn't have sales tax or have it mail ordered to a friend/accomplice.
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Where there is a will, there is a relative.
Actually according to Motorola the 7445 is "Designed to be pin-compatible with Motorolas MPC7451/MPC7450, the MPC7455 reaches speeds of 1 GHz with a core voltage of 1.6V and includes 256KB of on-chip L2 cache with support of up to 2MB of backside L3 cache."
I certainally hope that they went with this processor, please Apple, come through for us!
I would go with your big yes! The new brighter HD displays should be worth it alone.
P.S. Welcome to MacRumors.
Re: Re: Re: Re: good, but in Europe prices are hight
look, it has NOTHING to do with comapring apple prices to pc prices, but more a questioning of their slightly sharp pricing structure. Oddly enough the 'intarnet' makes these things glaringly apparent. The question is, do the people that make these prices actually view apple as 'global' company or parochial? As an outsider looking in, this flakey use of exchange rates, together with their retail policy, seems like further justification that apple only bought Big Georges book of the world
secondly, folks, are these bulletin boards merely 'apple love ins'?Are some of you really unable to take any objectively criticism of the more questionable corporate actions? I mean, its kind of funny to see some of the more mindless sycophants here lately (the '**** I wants a Apple in My Trailer!' brigade are almost comedic...). Hey, you almost sound like some Redmond apologists......
look, it has NOTHING to do with comapring apple prices to pc prices, but more a questioning of their slightly sharp pricing structure. Oddly enough the 'intarnet' makes these things glaringly apparent. The question is, do the people that make these prices actually view apple as 'global' company or parochial? As an outsider looking in, this flakey use of exchange rates, together with their retail policy, seems like further justification that apple only bought Big Georges book of the world
secondly, folks, are these bulletin boards merely 'apple love ins'?Are some of you really unable to take any objectively criticism of the more questionable corporate actions? I mean, its kind of funny to see some of the more mindless sycophants here lately (the '**** I wants a Apple in My Trailer!' brigade are almost comedic...). Hey, you almost sound like some Redmond apologists......
Prices in Europe
Aren't prices in Europe usually higher due to those killer (20%) sales taxes you have out there??? I know in the UK, VAT is integrated into prices of many products. I don't know about Italy or other countries, but high prices with VAT would be your home country's fault, not Apple's. Additionally, isn't the American Dollar worth more than the Euro??
Don't blame Apple, blame yo habitat.
Aren't prices in Europe usually higher due to those killer (20%) sales taxes you have out there??? I know in the UK, VAT is integrated into prices of many products. I don't know about Italy or other countries, but high prices with VAT would be your home country's fault, not Apple's. Additionally, isn't the American Dollar worth more than the Euro??
Don't blame Apple, blame yo habitat.
Will I like it that much?
I am a lifetime peecee user
With the release of OS X I have been interested in venturing away from M$ and learning OS X. Is it very cumbersome jumping from windoze to mac? I am definately going for a Powerbook when I decide even though the Notes administrator and our Research and Development guys make fun of me for considering switching. They say mac is for simpletons (don't flame me, I'm fragile) and that having a mac is like having an automatic transimition car (even though I see their point, that's not much of an argument). I am a power user (network administrator of 350+ computers) and student and would like some feedback from power mac users (not powermac, power mac.....get it?) Please toss some knowledge my way.
Oh, also, is it easy to put a mac on my home network with airport?
-jeff
I am a lifetime peecee user
With the release of OS X I have been interested in venturing away from M$ and learning OS X. Is it very cumbersome jumping from windoze to mac? I am definately going for a Powerbook when I decide even though the Notes administrator and our Research and Development guys make fun of me for considering switching. They say mac is for simpletons (don't flame me, I'm fragile) and that having a mac is like having an automatic transimition car (even though I see their point, that's not much of an argument). I am a power user (network administrator of 350+ computers) and student and would like some feedback from power mac users (not powermac, power mac.....get it?) Please toss some knowledge my way.
Oh, also, is it easy to put a mac on my home network with airport?
-jeff
Re: re: Euro Prices
by doing that, i could save myself around $500! (yes, i've checked the prices) That's probably what i will do, when it comes to getting my next laptop.
It's not just with apple computers that this happens though. Some friends of mine flew over to new york last year for their christmas shopping, and it ended up being cheaper than if they'd bought the same in the UK!
by doing that, i could save myself around $500! (yes, i've checked the prices) That's probably what i will do, when it comes to getting my next laptop.
It's not just with apple computers that this happens though. Some friends of mine flew over to new york last year for their christmas shopping, and it ended up being cheaper than if they'd bought the same in the UK!
britboy - the cheapest of all options it seems is to get the boat to Norway, buy a ti book, and claim the tax back on leaving....
mucho cheaper. As it stands (Ive just checked the exchange rates) the US price is almost identical to the british price sans sales tax. the euro price does seem a little inflated, but then that I suspect is the price for joining the Euro...
mucho cheaper. As it stands (Ive just checked the exchange rates) the US price is almost identical to the british price sans sales tax. the euro price does seem a little inflated, but then that I suspect is the price for joining the Euro...
Ok, here in Switzerland it looks like the prices are higher... so here is a quick breakdown for all those who are whining or not tolerant enough to understand the pain of being outside the US when it comes time to pay for the latest greatest lust fulfilling products (though I was impressed the international sites were coordinated on this one!).
800mhz base unit:
US apple store USD 3199 (no tax) x1.62 (exchange)= CHF 5182 + 7.6% tax = CHF 5530. Got that?
So what is the Swiss apple store price? CHF 5999! A difference of 469 CHF! (USD 290) Now we also have to consider here that we pay a computer recycling fee upfront, and also some shipping costs. But still.... I want this machine......
What I find good and funny is the price for the high end unit at the Swiss store : CHF 7118.99! Ha ha... 0.99? Really got to be joking on that one! go for it Steve, I can afford 0.01 cent more!
800mhz base unit:
US apple store USD 3199 (no tax) x1.62 (exchange)= CHF 5182 + 7.6% tax = CHF 5530. Got that?
So what is the Swiss apple store price? CHF 5999! A difference of 469 CHF! (USD 290) Now we also have to consider here that we pay a computer recycling fee upfront, and also some shipping costs. But still.... I want this machine......
What I find good and funny is the price for the high end unit at the Swiss store : CHF 7118.99! Ha ha... 0.99? Really got to be joking on that one! go for it Steve, I can afford 0.01 cent more!