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On Topic, ...Who the hell thinks a computer shop has no walls or doors ? Like everyone is on the honor system of trust ???

Granny needs to stop embarrassing the family.

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I'll bet this gets thrown out of court with a laugh.
Any takers ?....

In the words of Mitt Romney "$10,000.00 Bet ?! " (handshake ?)

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I'm going to sound like an ass here, but can you really fix stupid?

At some point people have to take responsibility for themselves... not blame every error on someone else. I don't want to live in a society where there's warnings plastered everywhere because people do stupid things. "Caution, this oven is hot" "Warning, this glass is transparent" "Careful, this outlet has a current, and can shock you."

Perfect ! Why is this not the normal thinking nowadays ?

People just suck in so many ways, and by that I mean the people that make money on stupidity.

Just to be clear: I'm not making fun of anyone or name calling. I Agree with you 100%

Call it like it is
 
I'm going to sound like an ass here, but can you really fix stupid?

At some point people have to take responsibility for themselves... not blame every error on someone else. I don't want to live in a society where there's warnings plastered everywhere because people do stupid things. "Caution, this oven is hot" "Warning, this glass is transparent" "Careful, this outlet has a current, and can shock you."

But see, I don't think it's necessarily a matter of stupidity. It's may be a matter of engineering and user interface, which Apple should be sensitive too.

That woman who sued McDonald's over the hot coffee. She burned herself severely. Was she stupid? That's what everyone said. But a certain number of people are going to spill coffee on themselves in a given year. Is it ok that McDonald's raised the temperature so high it would cause 3rd degree burns in 2-3 seconds? My opinion is no, it's not ok, and McDonald's hadn't changed the temperature even after many other people had burned themselves.

A friend of mine took an engineering design class, and told me a story from it that I remember stuck with me. So this nuclear power plant had a control panel, but it was physically impossible to reach that panel without standing on another control panel. So, let's say something terrible happened because one of the workers accidentally flipped a switch with his foot. Sure, you could say the worker was stupid and it was his fault for not watching where his feet went. But in reality, it's the fault of whoever designed the control panel locations.

How many people are going to crash into Apple doors this year? Just 1 or 2? Ok, maybe that's just negligence on the part of the people walking, and they should pay more attention. Is the number closer to 100? 1000? At some point it becomes a design issue, and not a stupidity issue.

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Agreed, that one particular McDonald's was proven to be using scalding levels, way above recommended temperatures, and I believe the lid was defective. We did a case study in school. It sounds ridiculous, but the women involved was covered in 3rd degree burns and literally had to relearn how to walk. Some lawsuits have merit, this Apple one isn't one of them.

Reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Kramer tried to sue a local coffee shop because the lid on the cup was not put on correctly.

The woman in this suit needs Jackie Childs. It's her only shot.

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Take some personal responsibility lady. Seriously.

This is exactly what's wrong with this world; I hurt myself, so it must be somebody else's fault.

The whole world needs to wrapped in cotton wool before some people would be happy.

Come on lady. If the world is too dangerous, stay at home.
 
She might not know that an Apple Store's door is a piece of glass, but you'd think she might stop to look for a door when attempting to enter the store. This is why birds hit windows: they aren't familiar with the concept of windows.
 
WARNING: You may get into a car accident. You may choke to death on a piece of food. You may die from sun exposure. Where does it end? It doesn't.

But see, I don't think it's a matter of stupidity. It's a matter of engineering and user interface, which Apple should be sensitive too.

That woman who sued McDonald's over the hot coffee. She burned herself severely. Was she stupid? That's what everyone said. But a certain number of people are going to spill coffee on themselves in a given year. Is it ok that McDonald's raised the temperature so high it would cause 3rd degree burns in 2-3 seconds? My opinion is no, it's not ok, and McDonald's hadn't changed the temperature even after many other people had burned themselves.

A friend of mine took an engineering design class, and told me a story from it that I remember stuck with me. So this nuclear power plant had a control panel, but it was physically impossible to reach that panel without standing on another control panel. So, let's say something terrible happened because one of the workers accidentally flipped a switch with his foot. Sure, you could say the worker was stupid and it was his fault for not watching where his feet went. But in reality, it's the fault of whoever designed the control panel locations.

How many people are going to crash into Apple doors this year? Just 1 or 2? Ok, maybe that's just negligence on the part of the people walking, and they should pay more attention. Is the number closer to 100? 1000? At some point it is a design issue, and not a stupidity issue.

arn
 
is her nose made by Apple that costs pile of money? :)
I can understand it might happen even for a younger one, however 75K US$ for a broken nose.... hm... she must be wearing golden exclusive design glasses, Breitling watch and an Apple computer on her nose it to cost such amount of money...
 
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Ow c'mon I have also experienced something like this at a mall, the wall is also glass. But I don't blame anyone but myself for that silly mistake. I was paying attention on other things that time, then walks into the glass. Well, I got my friends all laughing at me after that. =\ lesson learnt. What this woman is doing is pure greed... Putting the blame on someone else.
 
Everybody now seems wanting to make money out of apple somehow, no matter what nor how, you gotta find something to sue apple for, after that pile of cash they have announced.:rolleyes:
 
Apple took reasonable care to prevent such an occurrence. She didn't. She should be ordered to pay Apple for the costs of defending this frivolous suit.
 
Oh, give me a break. This is on the "McDonalds Hot Cofee in my Lap" level.

I suggest you read on on the McDonalds case. McDonalds was in the wrong.

There are in fact building safety code regulations regarding glass walls and doors (hence the stickers on the window). If she is suing maybe her lawyer believes Apple was not adhering to the standards for this county and state (maybe stickers on doors were at wrong height or too small). However, if Apple was adhering to the safety regulations then this lady should be suing the county instead. They would be hard-pressed to make money off Apple if they were in complete safety compliance.

Even if Apple complied with all county safety codes it does not get Apple off the hook nor does it make the county/city liable for damages.

Yes I do feel this case is stupid. It was very embarassing for the woman and chances are painful. I know I personally have walked into a glass window because I was distractic for like 2 seconds. All I could do was laugh, nurse my head and call my mom to mail my new glasses up to me because I had pretty much broke my current pair. I was going to go home in 2 weeks to get them plus more contacts but destroyed glasses changed things and made me need them sooner.
My face print was on the door for a few days. I honestly found it rather funny as all I could do was laugh it off.
 
But see, I don't think it's necessarily a matter of stupidity. It's a matter of engineering and user interface, which Apple should be sensitive too.

That woman who sued McDonald's over the hot coffee. She burned herself severely. Was she stupid? That's what everyone said. But a certain number of people are going to spill coffee on themselves in a given year. Is it ok that McDonald's raised the temperature so high it would cause 3rd degree burns in 2-3 seconds? My opinion is no, it's not ok, and McDonald's hadn't changed the temperature even after many other people had burned themselves.

A friend of mine took an engineering design class, and told me a story from it that I remember stuck with me. So this nuclear power plant had a control panel, but it was physically impossible to reach that panel without standing on another control panel. So, let's say something terrible happened because one of the workers accidentally flipped a switch with his foot. Sure, you could say the worker was stupid and it was his fault for not watching where his feet went. But in reality, it's the fault of whoever designed the control panel locations.

How many people are going to crash into Apple doors this year? Just 1 or 2? Ok, maybe that's just negligence on the part of the people walking, and they should pay more attention. Is the number closer to 100? 1000? At some point it becomes a design issue, and not a stupidity issue.

arn

Darwin.

That is all
 
So, my question is, when approaching the front of a building with an all glass storefront, how is it possible that she was able to determine where the door should be in the invisible wall, and then not realize the door isn't open.

I honestly think she would have a better case if she walked into the wall. But to walk in to the door means you saw the front of the store, saw the all glass storefront, determined where the door was in said glass wall, and then walked towards it. And I would say if you are able to identify where the door is, you can tell if it's open.

Not sure how the lawyers can really get around that.
 
Ahhh bless the MR fanboys!

Taking the $$$$ and the fact its Apple out of the equation a 83 year old broke their nose, do you guys think that is bad??

My grandad is 85 and anytime something happens to him I feel for him.

Got an issue with the lawsuit... Take it out on a lawyer. Apple has had plenty of

Legal practice in the last 18 months, they are very very good at sueing and defending ;)
 
But see, I don't think it's necessarily a matter of stupidity. It's a matter of engineering and user interface, which Apple should be sensitive too.

Is the number closer to 100? 1000? At some point it becomes a design issue, and not a stupidity issue.

arn

To play devils advocate, could we not argue that a large percentage of society is thus unable to handle day to day actions? Should others be punished for someones accident or lapse of judgment or concentration? It's almost analogous to you suing the car manufacturer every time you get into an accident or get a traffic ticket because you weren't paying attention. The person in control of the vehicle is the one responsible for the actions. That said, there are some instances where poor design is blatant (like your example), but glass being transparent (with clearly visible doors) is not in my opinion-- it's almost innate knowledge. It's almost like saying that a bathtub filled with water is a drowning hazard, and that the tub should be designed better... I'm surprised someone hasn't gotten sued over that to be honest.

At some point you have to draw the line. There will be the lowest common denominators in society (or just accidents); we don't need a padded wall and bright safety sticker life.
 
That said, there are some instances where poor design is blatant (like your example), but glass being transparent (with clearly visible doors) is not in my opinion-- it's almost innate knowledge.

I'm not saying it is or it isn't in this case. I'm just saying (abstractly) that if it happens enough, it becomes a design issue, not a stupidity issue.

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