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The SE just got a little more tempting for me. I have been holding on to an iOS 6 iPhone 5 - still in perfect condition, so I should be able to actually profit by upgrading!
 
This is starting to feel like the iPad 3 trap i fell for and haven't fully recovered from. Hoping the iPad Air 3 comes out this fall and includes pencil support for a more reasonable price that most of us were hoping for.

You're still feeling something from 4 years ago? Yikes.
I can't see there being an Air 3. The Air 2 will probably be the last with the Air moniker, and it should be very useful for years to come. Why would they release an Air 3 this fall and how would it be different from this Pro especially if you want Pencil support?
 
The iPad is the quality of the device, it is the usability of the OS, it is the long level of support, it is the volume of apps, it is more than the sum of its specs. Apple has always been more than spec sheets and always will be. Go try the $350 tablet and be happy.....

Which makes even less sense that they would put the memory of the cheapest phone in a pro tablet.
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I'm starting to believe they really are doomed


Doomed? No. Get a wake up call? Hopefully. I doubt it though.

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To put 1gb of ram in it? I don't see another one ether. The "pro" was a way to come out with a new ipad successor AND charge more money.
 
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Wait. They raised the price because you can spend even more money on accessories? Not because it's own use was raised to professional level, which would require more memory, etc? There should be a reason to raise the price of the item, not base it on selling you more stuff. Now if the pen came with it then I would agree that the increase made sense. Still would think 2gb memory in a "pro" device is crazy.

Makes no sense whatsoever, I see no point in debating it. Apple really loves you!

Lol... Yeah, I agree... it doesn't make sense. But we all go crazy about smartphones each year.. upgrading each year or every other year. When we honestly can get by for 4 years or even longer. But we are all fanatics about these gadgets we consume.
 
Lol... Yeah, I agree... it doesn't make sense. But we all go crazy about smartphones each year.. upgrading each year or every other year. When we honestly can get by for 4 years or even longer. But we are all fanatics about these gadgets we consume.

Very true.

The phones have gotten out of my price reach though and the se is too small for my big fingers so that part has probably come to a close for me. Will have to see on macs and ipads though, still have those.
 
That's great news for the SE and makes it a really compelling option for the price.

2GB of RAM, however, just doesn't feel like enough for an iPad. My old iPad 3 has 1GB of RAM and virtually any website will crash it within a few minutes after running out of RAM. Just having double the RAM isn't going to do it. Actually, even 4GB might not be enough, though I'll admit I haven't used the big iPad Pro for more than a few minutes.

Sadly, modern webpages are incredibly RAM heavy. On my desktop I commonly see "infinite scrolling" style sites consume multiple gigabytes of ram for a single tab. The move to more and more JS framework-driven sites means this is only going to be become more common.
4GB is actually unbelievably amazing on the device. I've yet to have it crash or spaz out despite having 10+ safari tabs open, music, procreate, photos, notes, phonto, and Facebook all running at the same time and it didn't skip a beat.
This actually really sucks that Apple put 2GB in their "Pro" device. Not to be a jerk, but it makes me a little happier about my iPP purchase, but I know a lot of you wanted a smaller but just as capable iPP.
I honestly think Apple's quality of products and customer support/sat has gone out the window since 2014.

Kal.
 
Maybe in your world. I don't know any like that. All the non-techs I know choked when they paid $499, but did so because of all the iPad buzz. The people that bought the top end models were geeks like me. No, regular consumers do not pay $599 for a tablet. The go to Amazon and get a Fire for $150 or $200. In case you haven't kept up with Apple financials, iPad sales are in a tailspin because regular consumers don't pay computer prices for tablets anymore.


Yes, Amazon really drove the tablet market to the bottom. I spent some time setting up a Fire for my mom and it is a decent tablet that does the majority of what people use an iPad for, Internet browsing, light gaming, reading etc.... The premium that you are paying for the iPad is speed, access to the App Store, nicer fit and finish, but the basic capabilities are similar.
 
Air 2 probably uses less ram than the iPad pro 9.7...it will be interesting to see if thats true plus that third core gives you guys some leverage as well. If it wasn't for the two additional speakers and the improved camera, the ipad pro 9.7 is just a revamped ipad air 2.
We'll easily find out for sure, but I see almost no reason why that would be true. There's no big additional RAM gobbling feature on the Pro. Unless the Pencil somehow spawns its own process that gobbles tens of megabytes of RAM (and I seriously doubt it does). The third core isn't going to make up the difference either, because we already know the A9X is faster in multicore than the A8X. E.g. 200 + 200 is more than 100 + 100 + 100.

By your standard, the 12" iPad Pro is just a revamped Air 2 that's bigger. In fact, I challenge you to compare any two devices and not be able to come up with a boringly simple way to describe the difference. The 2013 Mac Pro is just the 2012 Mac pro compressed into a cylinder with the PCI slots removed!
 
Yes, Amazon really drove the tablet market to the bottom. I spent some time setting up a Fire for my mom and it is a decent tablet that does the majority of what people use an iPad for, Internet browsing, light gaming, reading etc.... The premium that you are paying for the iPad is speed, access to the App Store, nicer fit and finish, but the basic capabilities are similar.

Yea, my elderly mother has one also and loves it. It browses the web and allows her to check her email fine.:) I can't see getting her anything more.
 
I still intend to buy the iPP 9.7 and honestly don't expect it to struggle half as much as half the people moaning about it here seem to think it will!
 
4GB is actually unbelievably amazing on the device. I've yet to have it crash or spaz out despite having 10+ safari tabs open, music, procreate, photos, notes, phonto, and Facebook all running at the same time and it didn't skip a beat.
This actually really sucks that Apple put 2GB in their "Pro" device. Not to be a jerk, but it makes me a little happier about my iPP purchase, but I know a lot of you wanted a smaller but just as capable iPP.
I honestly think Apple's quality of products and customer support/sat has gone out the window since 2014.

Kal.
And the more amazing part about the iPad pro 12.9 is that 3.89 gb of that 4 GB ram is usable ram..... the device just Flys. ......
 
Yes and a 64gb air 2 at 599(which is what it has been priced at for 2 years until yesterday) has crappy speakers, a 2 year old processor, and no pencil support. I'd gladly take 32gb with those new features.
Seriously...? My $350 Tab S2 comes with 3GB RAM and an amazing AMOLED display that looks goegeous.

Seriously Apple these are just basic things. And it's as if Apple is stuck in the year 2011 with this disgusting 16GB base model.

I wanted to like the SE and the new pro so badly...but of course Apple had to go overboard and cheat people with awful specs that wouldn't have been competitive a year ago.

Tried a tab s2 and quickly returned it. It can't hold a candle to the tablet experience that you get on an iPad. The android tablet experience is still a nightmare. Tried the note 5, the surface pro 3, and many other android and Windows devices and they all fall short of the experience you get on an Apple device. Apple has never competed on specs, but they've always had a better user experience. That was the case in 2010, and it's the case now.

Samsung can put 8 gigs of ram in the note 6 but it's still not going to run as smoothly as an iPhone.
 
Yes and a 64gb air 2 at 599(which is what it has been priced at for 2 years until yesterday) has crappy speakers, a 2 year old processor, and no pencil support. I'd gladly take 32gb with those new features.

Agreed! I'm the same with buying 32gb and the new features! Upgrading from iPad Air, so also getting all the upgrades I missed from Air > Air 2!
 
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So the iPad Air 2 now starts at $399? Doesn't this cannibalize the iPad mini 4 which also starts at the same price? They should have at least dropped the mini 4 to $350
 
I was going to buy the iPad, cause I thought it would have 4 Gb. Now I'm not interested.
Same! At first the only thing I was kind of disappointed was the USB 2.0, but now only 2 gigs of RAM is a major let down. Now I don't even feel like buying the 12.9" pro because the screen improvements of the new 9.7" and camera improvements are bound to arrive. SMH Apple. If they put in USB 3.0 and 4 gigs of RAM I would have 99% bought this iPad as my first iPad. Now its unlikely. :(
 
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If you're talking about doing "real work", a browser tab test isn't the thing to go about it with. Try rendering 4K video with multiple streams and see if the RAM has a huge effect on that sort of thing.
Call me old fashioned - isn't it proper to do the editing on a iMac/Macbook?? o_O (full features and all)
 
Are you sure about the free/used memory on the IPP...
I know if i check my devices with the smart memory app (like right now), my 6S is running at 75% of 2GB used and the 5S phone is at 95% of 1GB used with no apps open!!

iOS needs a diet and some better memory management..
btw both devices are now running 9.3
 
Same! At first the only thing I was kind of disappointed was the USB 2.0, but now only 2 gigs of RAM is a major let down. Now I don't even feel like buying the 12.9" pro because the screen improvements of the new 9.7" and camera improvements are bound to arrive. SMH Apple. If they put in USB 3.0 and 4 gigs of RAM I would have 99% bought this iPad as my first iPad. Now its unlikely. :(
Logically smaller devices always have better screens especially if you buy the latest and greatest. The iPad pro 12.9 has the better resolution and the exact same ppi as the pro 9.7, true tone is nice and all but it does not make such a drastic difference as some have made it out to be, the iPad pro 9.7 did not get a resolution bump or an increase in ppi so for those expecting the screen to have this crazy wow factor forget it. I'm sure samsung devices still have that advantage.
 
And even better, IT DOESNT HAVE 3D TOUCH! Glad Apple realized and admitted to it being absolutely, positively, undeniably useless.

But I'm not getting it though because I mean who wants a 4 inch screen. Hell, I might get the plus and I've got the 6s. Lol

Have you used 3D Touch? It's extremely useful on a phone.
 
I don't think anyone is complaining about 2GB RAM per se, but that the 9.7 Pro has 2GB rather than 4GB. The 9.7 Pro feels like a half-step between the Air 2 and 13 Pro rather than being a proper alternative to the 13 Pro.

I agree, but people are appear to be implying that performance will be horrible, which is simply not the case. I think it was a cheap move by Apple, but it doesn't make the device crap.

My Air 2 absolutely flew and this device is 2x as fast. I won't be too quick to update the iOS version it comes with so I think this will last me for years.
 
Can't way too see a bill of material regarding iPhone SE and read again smart comments about how much Apple put an effort on R&D on this product
 
I was going to purchase the new iPad and now it comes out that it only has 2GB of RAM? Are you kidding me?? The same as iPhone SE or even my old iPad Air 2. Why the hack do you call it PRO? This is insane.. Now I'm really considering getting the big iPad Pro..

Same here man, but you might as well wait now because it's been out since I think September and has already reached half it's life cycle. Maybe this year the 12.9 will get 3d Touch… b/c we already know it is going to get the screen improvements of the new 9.7 inch pro. THe increase in price but half the RAM leaves me in disgust loll
 
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