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Take India for example, they charge some of the highest GST and duty in the world, that's why their iPhones are so expensive. It's not Apple that's charging more.
Samsung doesn't seem to have that huge price discrepancies.
Disregarding the IMEI whitelisting, I can buy an iPhone from overseas (eg. US), apply whatever duties/taxes, and still end up cheaper than the local official pricing. It's not just taxes.
 
Samsung doesn't seem to have that huge price discrepancies.
Disregarding the IMEI whitelisting, I can buy an iPhone from overseas (eg. US), apply whatever duties/taxes, and still end up cheaper than the local official pricing. It's not just taxes.

Also currency valuation differences?
 
Apple.com has no mention a pro level mini. The 12 has the same components but is larger and heavier than the mini. For a device intended to be carried with you this makes it worse.
Yet the numbers are showing the 12 selling more. How can a "worse" product sell more than a "better" product?
Not sure your point of a pro level mini. Direct comparison can be made easily between regular 12 and 12 mini.
 
Yet the numbers are showing the 12 selling more. How can a "worse" product sell more than a "better" product?
Not sure your point of a pro level mini. Direct comparison can be made easily between regular 12 and 12 mini.
No, more were activated on Xmas. Not the same thing. But since the pro is the smallest flagship phone we are forced to assume most pro sales would have been a mini pro.

And yes, compare the 12 and mini, as I did, and the 12 is worse despite reported numbers. As I already mentioned this is likely due to consumer confusion of people thinking the higher price of the 12 means it’s better - when as already been established it is not.
 
I think I am the only one here that uses my iPhone (7) to make phone calls. I have no data plan and the only app I ever use is the calculator. I'm glad Apple is doing so well, but I miss the days when they were a computer company.

Just FYI, Apple still manufactures computers.
 
But since the pro is the smallest flagship phone we are forced to assume most pro sales would have been a mini pro.
That’s an extremely and entirely unjustified leap you’re making. If there was a Pro mini, it’s entirely possible that more people would opt for the Goldilocks 6.1” size over the mini. The regular 12 series certainly supports that being the most probable outcome. I love my 12 mini and think it’s a great phone, but there’s no need to pretend that it’s more popular than it actually is. And we’ll never see a Pro mini regardless.
 
Samsung doesn't seem to have that huge price discrepancies.
Disregarding the IMEI whitelisting, I can buy an iPhone from overseas (eg. US), apply whatever duties/taxes, and still end up cheaper than the local official pricing. It's not just taxes.

If a place like Indonesia sells an iPhone for more than the US then it has to with taxes, duties or other logistical issues. Apple wouldn't charge more in these countries just because they feel like it, they are forced to.
 
No, more were activated on Xmas. Not the same thing. But since the pro is the smallest flagship phone we are forced to assume most pro sales would have been a mini pro.

And yes, compare the 12 and mini, as I did, and the 12 is worse despite reported numbers. As I already mentioned this is likely due to consumer confusion of people thinking the higher price of the 12 means it’s better - when as already been established it is not.
You have established nothing other than your own assumptions. There were other data showing that the regular 12 is running to be the best selling iPhone this year.

Oh well, suit yourself. Keep begrudging in wanting a mini phone while the rest of the world has moved on. Once Apple can push the pricing of the regular iPhone back to the $700 price point, let's see if they will even keep making the mini.
 
That’s an extremely and entirely unjustified leap you’re making. If there was a Pro mini, it’s entirely possible that more people would opt for the Goldilocks 6.1” size over the mini. The regular 12 series certainly supports that position. I love my 12 mini and think it’s a great phone, but there’s no need to pretend that it’s more popular than it actually is. And we’ll never see a Pro mini.
I think we have to assume it’s the case because history supports this thinking.
 
This year, smartphone activations were down 23 percent year-on-year. Flurry speculates that this may be due to financial hardships, more limited family gatherings, or more spread out gift-giving this year.

Or maybe it had to do with Apple's activation server issues....
 
You have established nothing other than your own assumptions. There were other data showing that the regular 12 is running to be the best selling iPhone this year.

Oh well, suit yourself. Keep begrudging in wanting a mini phone while the rest of the world has moved on. Once Apple can push the pricing of the regular iPhone back to the $700 price point, let's see if they will even keep making the mini.
And, people didn’t buy the se because it wasn’t a flagship and yet they still made a better one.
 
If a place like Indonesia sells an iPhone for more than the US then it has to with taxes, duties or other logistical issues. Apple wouldn't charge more in these countries just because they feel like it, they are forced to.
I can understand a slight markup, but when a $400 product becomes a $600 product, while the competing brands do not have that similar discrepancies, one has to wonder.
 
how many people are actually activating phones on 12/25? are a ton of people really activating their new phones on christmas day? we got my in-laws new iphone se for christmas and didn't activate them until yesterday because who has time to setup a new phone on christmas or worst case scenario have to try to talk with customer service and sit on hold for hours. also i've activated them before christmas in the past so that kids haven't had to deal with this on christmas morning and it's just popping in their sim cards to use the new phone.
 
The numbers do not speak for themselves. People are not deciding between the mini or the 12 they are deciding between the mini and the pro. Since there is no mini pro option we have to assume that most pro sales are people looking for the best device in the smallest form.

I’d also wager that a lot of people think the price difference between the mini and 12 means the 12 is better, when in fact it’s worse.

That's a loser bet. Anyone with a scintilla of common sense would ascribe the Mini's lower price to its smaller size.

Also, your assumption makes zero sense. Might as well be saying that because the sky is blue then cats must have four legs.
 
You have established nothing other than your own assumptions. There were other data showing that the regular 12 is running to be the best selling iPhone this year.

Oh well, suit yourself. Keep begrudging in wanting a mini phone while the rest of the world has moved on. Once Apple can push the pricing of the regular iPhone back to the $700 price point, let's see if they will even keep making the mini.
Lol you think Apple reduces prices without eliminating features or downsizing? The regular iPhone will never be $700 again. That would require a $130 price drop.
 
That's a loser bet. Anyone with a scintilla of common sense would ascribe the Mini's lower price to its smaller size.

Also, your assumption makes zero sense. Might as well be saying that because the sky is blue then cats must have four legs.
But the smaller size should make it cost more. That’s the common sense people have already seen from decades of electronics sales.

What part does’t make sense? Seems obvious but I’ll try and be more clear.
 
Samsung doesn't seem to have that huge price discrepancies.
Disregarding the IMEI whitelisting, I can buy an iPhone from overseas (eg. US), apply whatever duties/taxes, and still end up cheaper than the local official pricing. It's not just taxes.

But of course you can't provide an actual example, just the bare allegation that you can buy it cheaper.
 
Or maybe it had to do with Apple's activation server issues....

This is the first year, since the original iPhone, that I haven’t purchased at least one new iPhone. Reason: I don’t travel and hardly leave the house, so I’m not using the phone nearly as much. (Plus the last couple years have been minimal upgrades. A lot of hardware features that are underused by software, etc.)
 
But the smaller size should make it cost more. That’s the common sense people have already seen from decades of electronics sales.

What part does’t make sense? Seems obvious but I’ll try and be more clear.
Yes, because I know my 55” TV cost more than the equivalent 65” model..

And everyone knows that the 11” iPad Pro is more than expensive than the 12.9” iPad Pro..
 
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