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970 Machines Assembled/Sealed?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So what are they called ?

Originally posted by Dave K
Not exactly. A judge ruled that competitors (Like AMD and CYRIX), could use the x86 designation because numbers on their own weren't TM'able IIRC. This is why AMD could sell chips branded* as 386's and 486's.

Thus, Intel needed a new name they could trademark and use as a brand identifier to differentiate their product from everyone elses.

*note the word branded. Why AMD could make x86 compatable chips was an entirely different series of lawsuits...
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Not only this, but penta has bad enough connotations (seen the pentagram 'satan inside' t-shirts?).
If they would have really kept up with the *ium naming... they would have moved to the Sexium and eventually the Hexium. Lovely marketing options.

THIS is why they are now forever stuck with Pentium#
 
Re: Wrong!!!!

Originally posted by barkmonster


FSB of PPC970 : (((32 x 2 x 400) / 8 ) / 1000) x 2 = 6.4Gb/s
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Actually, your math is wrong..
IBM discussed a 900MHz bus. that puts bandwidth at around 7.2 GB if I recall (too lazy for the math)
Hypertransport packetizes the data though, like a tcp/ip network. There is an overhead associated with routing and such. Effective bandwitch on this 7.2 GB/sec bus is estimated at around 6.4 GB/sec.

just picking nits...
 
Re: Re: Re: What Nonsense

Originally posted by bertagert
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just still have problems with your alabama bob thing.

Maybe I should just let it go?
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Actually, you should go somewhere and get a sense of humor, as, obviously, my Alabama Bob spoof was all in good, clean fun. A lot of folks on Spymac thought it was hilarious... including me. :)

What does my having once been capable of making a terrific joke have to do with my professional business or publishing activities?... other than to demonstrate that I do happen to have a lighthearted sense of humor? :)

And, for the record, I don't disdain MacBidioulle's lighthearted stoking of the PPC 970 rumor fires, either. I think it's hilarious the way they have managed to take advantage of a lucky gust of wind, and convert it into some huge, sustained exposure for their site.

All rumor sites have an agenda, and it's not necessarily the one that readers would want to see implemented. At MacWhispers, my agenda is pretty simple: I wanted a simple little site to which I could blog what info I came across in discussion with my OEM channel friends, so long as I consider the report to have some likelihood of accuracy, and so long as it comes to me through a channel that doesn't violate any confidential relationship I might have in place. It's a hobby site, pure and simple.

I'm still trying to figure out the editorial objective at MacBidioulle.
 
haha, thanks Noverflow

Originally posted by noverflow
Time to inject some logic into this thread!

Opteron SUCKS
Yes, that is right. it is not faster than even the xeons right now... how do i know? look at www.tomshardware.com for quite some time now that have had info on real running ones.

SO WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO PUT ONE IN A MAC??????


MacBidouille is WRONG.
possibly not about this, but about how powerfull they are.

how do i know?
look at IBM's specs for the chip.
do the math, and see that the 970 is not faster then the g4 for altivec things

for non altivec it is 2.5x faster, but still slower than altivec enhanced code...
knowing this, it is not possible that a single 1.4 970 would be faster at altivec enhanced code than a dual 1.4 g4. IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE given the known info from IBM.

What we are doing with the wide spread over kill will kill apple WHEN it is not as fast as we say.

We are loving apple to the point that we are the ones who will cause its death.
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Thanks for the laugh.. that was rich.

Geez Noverflow, you usually make people work harder to prove that you don't know what you're talking about.

I was just going to leave this dangling, but I've got time for a little info...
try this:
Aces Hardware
The only thing the Opteron didn't perform well (or outright own) the P4 in looks to be SSE2 code. I love the bit about 64bit integer code where the Opteron was 352% faster. ;-)

No, the Opteron will never ship in a Mac, but it a fantastic chip. This is especially true considering it's the first in a new architecture.
It hangs in with Xeons and P4s that are clock almost 50% faster for most tests, and it beats, and yes, crushes the P4/Xeon in other tests... real world tests.

Unfortunately, Tom's Hardware, an otherwise great site, has gotten some criticism for thier tests... seems they only employed one bank of memory on the Opteron, halfing the bandwidth. First reports claimed this was because the on-die memory control only supported single channel memory, but I've been told this isn't true... that Tom's just screwed up.

There are any number of other benchmarks on the web that show the prowess of the Opteron (currently clocked between 1.4GHz and 1.8 GHz AFAIK.
 
Originally posted by 3.1416
Argh. One more time: the "year of the laptop" is marketing-speak for "our desktops suck". Steve made that statement in January. According to the rumors, it was a few months later that IBM found themselves well ahead of schedule on PPC 970 production. If that's true, there is no way in hell Apple will hold off releasing new towers because they've decided they only want to sell laptops this year.
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Absolutley true 3.1416, i'm just bitter and twisted that they havn't released a newer 15" PowerBook which I'm hoping they do at WWDC. I'm looking forward to the new 970's as well and will upgrade my old Quadra with one. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: What Nonsense

Originally posted by MacWhispers
Actually, you should go somewhere and get a sense of humor, as, obviously, my Alabama Bob spoof was all in good, clean fun. A lot of folks on Spymac thought it was hilarious... including me. :)
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See, you forgot the domain name thing too. I can't recall the actual name but, you set it up to point to Apple's main site and also put them as the owners of the name to make it look even more legit.

You say it was done for fun, which I understand. The problem is, how am I suppose to know if something on your site is clean fun or something I should think about?

Don't get me wrong. I don't have it out for you or carry any hard feelings. It's just when something comes up with your name or your site, I have a hard time believing it because of your past actions.

I have one more thing that I think you did but have no proof so I'm going to let it be.

How about this. If you can redeem yourself, I'll put you back in the "he's alright list". Sound fair?
 
Update!

MacB has an update for us, essentially his source has a chart? of the new motherboard for the 970's and these are the connectors they were able to identify:

Here connectors present:
- 2 FW800
- 1 FW400
- 3 USB
- 3 Connectors sound
- There are also 5 additional connectors which it did not succeed in identifying. A group of 3 and another of 2.
- 4 of the 8 slots memory are not active on the chart (they were tested by withdrawing the famous label delicately that APPLE had stuck to it)

http://translate.google.com/transla...ch?q=macbidouille&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8

Google translation:

- [ Rumour ] Of new connectors on the Mother chart of the PPC 970? - Lionel - 09:09:18
Our source which has (would have for more the skeptics) have in hand a mother chart of PPC 970 us contribution some details.

The epoxy one of the chart is red dark (normal for a proto APPLE).

Here connectors present:
- 2 FW800
- 1 FW400
- 3 USB
- 3 Connectors sound
- There are also 5 additional connectors which it did not succeed in identifying. A group of 3 and another of 2.
- 4 of the 8 slots memory are not active on the chart (they were tested by withdrawing the famous label delicately that APPLE had stuck to it)

It does not remain us any more that to know with what the 5 not identified connectors are reserved.
 
Apple Reloaded

What, if the Prophecy is true?
What if tomorrow, the wait will be over

Isn't that we're waiting for?
Isn't that we're buying for...
 
Re: Update!

Originally posted by astray
Here connectors present:
- 2 FW800
- 1 FW400
- 3 USB
- 3 Connectors sound
- There are also 5 additional connectors which it did not succeed in identifying. A group of 3 and another of 2.
- 4 of the 8 slots memory are not active on the chart (they were tested by withdrawing the famous label delicately that APPLE had stuck to it).
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I really hope that "3 connectors sound" refers to some kind of surround-sound thingy, although it's most likely Line-in, line-out and the Pro Speakers-thing.

These "unidentified" ports puzle me a bit. They are definetly not FW800, but maybe USB 2 - if Apple decides to go with that one, wich I see as inevitable. They mmay be optical/coaxial input/outputs, but most people can recocnize them...

What, if the Prophecy is true?
What if tomorrow, the wait will be over

Isn't that we're waiting for?
Isn't that we're buying for...
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But then again, the prophecy wasn't true, now was it? Maybe Apple will implement AI in the new machines, thus causing them to take over the world! Although a wouldn't like to see a world ruled by Wintel-branded computers... evil.
 
Re: Denied links

Originally posted by JJTiger1
The other links links worked. Very informative.
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You may like this chart, the 970 is right over today not in the future:
PowerPC-Spectrum.jpg


Taken from:
http://www.si2.org/oa_conf/presentations/OpenAccessAnIBMPerspective.pdf
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So what are they called ?

Originally posted by Foxer
Remember that "Pentium" simply resulted from the fact that after 286, 386, 486, etc. Intel wanted to make the 586 flashier, and "pent-" being the prefix for 5, one thing led to another. Now, however, even thought htey are on the contradictory Pentium IV (or whatever), they're locked into using the brand name Pentium becuase of their own success.
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Intel actually went to the Pentium brand name because straight numeric representations such as 286 and 386 cannot be trademarked. Therefore their competitors (Cyrix, AMD) could release identically branded processors (and they were releasing them at a lower price) leveraging all of Intel's marketing dollars for free.

By creating the Pentium brand, Intel was able to use a trademarkable name that their competitors could not piggyback on.
 
Re: Update!

Originally posted by astray
MacB has an update for us, essentially his source has a chart? of the new motherboard for the 970's
...
Google translation:

- [ Rumour ] Of new connectors on the Mother chart of the PPC 970
...
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The word 'chart' is a mis-translation. What Google is trying to translate as 'Mother chart' should be translated as 'mother board'. So, they're saying that a source of theirs has an actual prototype 970 motherboard.

Of course, it seems curious to me that this contact has only now gotten access to a prototype board, while the actual machines have been in production long enough for Apple to start feeding them into the channel (trying to reconcile different rumors from MacB).

Who knows... I guess we'll find out in about three and a half weeks.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So what are they called ?

Originally posted by ffakr
Not only this, but penta has bad enough connotations (seen the pentagram 'satan inside' t-shirts?).
If they would have really kept up with the *ium naming... they would have moved to the Sexium and eventually the Hexium. Lovely marketing options.

THIS is why they are now forever stuck with Pentium#
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"Sexium" and "Hexium", unless my latin/greek roots decieve me, would both be the "686" (heretofore known under the names Pentium Pro, Pentium 2, Pentium III, and also Celeron although not all Celerons) ... the "P4" and "P5" (786) should be the "Septium", which is fairly safe, and the next incarnation the "Octium", then "Novium" and "Decium" or something like that ... IMHO, all stupid names, though certainly no worse than the celery processor.

"Pentium" fulfills the "must have a word in there to trademark it" requirement, and that's all Intel was after. Eventually, perhaps, "Pentium" will dissapear and a new line will be introduced, but for now it's here to stay.
 
Originally posted by WasteGate
i'm just bitter and twisted that they havn't released a newer 15" PowerBook which I'm hoping they do at WWDC.
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If not at WWDC, it would have to be pretty soon; it's been close to 9 months without an update. And I think there's a decent chance it will have a 970. When those rumors first surfaced I thought they were ridiculous, but the long delay makes it more likely IMO. If they just wanted to update the 15" with aluminum and FW 800 and 802.11g they could have done that months ago. But at this point it's not going to look very impressive to replace a 1 GHz G4 with a 1 GHz G4. I still wouldn't make an even money bet on the 970, but the probability is rising...
 
Re: Re: Denied links

Originally posted by mathiasr
You may like this chart, the 970 is right over today not in the future
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Very interesting. The Power4+ is at the same "time" as the 970, and it shipped this month. Perhaps a good sign (and highly circumstantial, but then everything is).
 
Originally posted by 3.1416
If not at WWDC, it would have to be pretty soon; it's been close to 9 months without an update. And I think there's a decent chance it will have a 970. When those rumors first surfaced I thought they were ridiculous, but the long delay makes it more likely IMO. If they just wanted to update the 15" with aluminum and FW 800 and 802.11g they could have done that months ago. But at this point it's not going to look very impressive to replace a 1 GHz G4 with a 1 GHz G4. I still wouldn't make an even money bet on the 970, but the probability is rising...
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I believe the PB 15" was last updated Nov. 7, 2002, less than 7 months ago.

If they wanted to... and everything else is in place, ie. resources, no delays on ANY piece of the puzzle.
 
Originally posted by 3.1416
If not at WWDC, it would have to be pretty soon; it's been close to 9 months without an update. And I think there's a decent chance it will have a 970. When those rumors first surfaced I thought they were ridiculous, but the long delay makes it more likely IMO. If they just wanted to update the 15" with aluminum and FW 800 and 802.11g they could have done that months ago. But at this point it's not going to look very impressive to replace a 1 GHz G4 with a 1 GHz G4. I still wouldn't make an even money bet on the 970, but the probability is rising...
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Uh... beginning of November was almost seven months ago, not nine. I'll take that as a typo on your part...

[edit] Oops. Stompy beat me to the punch. I suppose it might help if I read the rest of the thread... [/edit]
 
Re: Re: Denied links

Originally posted by mathiasr
You may like this chart, the 970 is right over today not in the future:
PowerPC-Spectrum.jpg


Taken from:
http://www.si2.org/oa_conf/presentations/OpenAccessAnIBMPerspective.pdf
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The most interesting part of this image chart is not that the PPC970 is over current, we all know it was due to be released durring the middle of this year. The most interesting part is that they show the PPC750 evolving into the PPC970. Where's the 750GX we know it's in the works. There seems to be a bit missing from that chart.
 
That's a cool chart !
I'm already using two processors on the chart. I have embedded Linux boxes running the 405GP. I have iBooks running the 750.
So what i'm missing is a desktop unit running a Power 5+ :D
I settle for a 970 perhaps :)
 
Originally posted by Snowy_River
Uh... beginning of November was almost seven months ago, not nine.
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Correct, I mistakenly thought the last update was in September. Still, it will be 7.5 months by WWDC, which is getting up there, especially when both the cheaper and more expensive models have features it doesn't.
 
Re: Re: Re: Denied links

Originally posted by MacBandit
The most interesting part of this image chart is not that the PPC970 is over current, we all know it was due to be released durring the middle of this year. The most interesting part is that they show the PPC750 evolving into the PPC970. Where's the 750GX we know it's in the works. There seems to be a bit missing from that chart.
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I don't think they mean for you to take it as an evolution of the processor, but rather that products will evolve from using the 750 to using the 970
 
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