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I love my iPad mini. But I really want to use the Apple pencil for sketching. So for my next ipad, I'll either get an iPad mini pro(if they make it) or this rumored 10.5" iPad pro.

Likely the new iPad in March will have Apple Pencil support.
 
That's optimistic of you, but powering high definition displays takes a lot of energy. I don't know how much more they can optimize these processors to compensate, especially since Apple likes to keep making things thinner and thereby make the battery even smaller.

Apple has increased the size of the iPad in the past.

Is the 12.9 pro thicker than the 9.7 pro? IF yes, then I'd say it'll be sized between the two of them.
 
Just curious what people use their iPads for.. I've had a few and still struggle to find a good use for them. The most useful application I've seen it for so far is for my dad to use maps with. That's about it. Everything else I can do on my phone.

I have an Ipad Pro and I basically use it for 90% of computing needs during the day: browsing, email, reading news, PDF reading and annotating, media consumption, etc. Also I use the Office apps for work. They are really good unless you need to do heavy work with them, then you need the desktop version. iPhone + iPad is all I need and sincerely even if I have an (old) MacBook, I don't really use it that much, unless I need to do some complex spreadsheet or document.... I mean, iPads are really portable, and much more immediate. I don't need to carry around something heavier, wait for it to start up, and so on.

You can browse the internet on your phone and email and some other stuff, but on a bigger screen it is all much better. Of course it depends what your needs are....
 
Along with a File System to make the iPad functional rather than a consumption device. iPad its a computer, well sort of, we only limit the basic requirement of a file system.

Create a file system instead of calling it "Finder" call it "iCloud for iOS" that can store files locally on the hardware. Once internet connection is obtained it syncs with iCloud and it serves as a current back-up system. Have this open for all apps and the iPad has the basics down for a productivity computer.
There is an app shipping with every iOS device called 'iCloud Drive'. It is my understanding that this open for all apps, the individual app just has to support it.
 
Without any substantial change to the user experience on any new iPad, then the platform will continue to be stale and uninteresting.

Honestly, Apple should focus 100% on making handwriting a complete analogous replacement of pen and paper. There is still too much compromise when writing on a tablet screen, even the iPad Pro. Lag and lack of fidelity means that over time it gets wearisome to write neatly on a tablet because you can't properly align new content to each other. For quick scribbles and such, sure, but when taking notes in a boardroom I grab a pen and notebook, its just easier.

If Apple could INNOVATE and crack the nut about a tablet replacing pen and paper with an iPad, then hands down this is the best thing they could do for tablets. A very thin tablet, instantaneous detection of your stylus movement, no lag and extremely high resolution input and rendering so that writing on a tablet matches the same experience as with pen and paper would be amazing. They should stop with the whole "post-PC" era and focus on "post pen and paper" era.

Sorry, Steve Jobs was wrong about this. I still use pen and paper at work for everything but writing code, and a lot of people do. Stylus support on most platforms, even as good as it has been on Surface, Galaxy Note and iPad Pro is still lacking and I don't feel like pen input has been a first class feature of most platforms, more like an add on.

Why can't fire up a digital notepad sandbox app, start drawing a grid on a screen, write in a few headers and fill in a few columns of content, write a formula and then automatically behind the scenes Numbers starts crunching the values and filling in rest of the grid, using my handwriting style. Why can't I start writing out an equation and the app starts to solve it for you. Write a query and content is searched for and displayed in a box beside my handwriting. I should be able to prototype an iPad application by drawing on screen and turning it into viable interactive GUI code right away, actually use the iPad Pro to develop iPad apps. I mean I could honestly live in one app all day long if it would adapt to what I am writing and use background apps to support what I am writing. This could be GROUNDBREAKING AND MAGICAL, worthy of all of Apple's misguided marketing rhetoric.

My biggest problem with Apple is a complete lack of vision for the future and getting stuck in marginal improvements of case designs, thinness, and incremental updates of hardware. I can think of a hundred ways tablets can be better but if I only had a few billion in R&D dollars behind me...

Its almost criminal to think that all Apple might do this year for iPad is an OS update, CPU update and increase the screen resolution with 100+ billion in liquid funds available to their R&D team.
 
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Interesting. I don't see any reason for the 9.7 ipad to exist when you can get the bigger screen version in the same 9.7 inch format. I guess as a budget model, but Apple would be best served by letting older versions of the iPads be their budget models and actually giving all sizes up to date specs.

Now if they could give this same treatment to the mini they'd have better spacing among there product options. If the mini screen could get bigger while keeping the same convenient form factor, maybe people will stop arguing it's too close in size to the Plus (even though it's really not.).
 
so 10.5 will have a new design sort of while 12.9 stays the same?

be interested what is added to the 12.9 pro..true tone display seems the one thing we know will have.
 
You're engaging in the same behavior of confusing customer and company. Jobs reduced inventory to help Apple. Better products for customers was a happy circumstance of that reduction. Customers aren't any more confused by Apple's line up than they are confused by the number of PC's on the market. People aren't confused by the number of TV's Vizio offers. They aren't confused by the number of Corolla's Toyota has on offer. They aren't even confused by the number of phones you can get from Samsung.:) Simply put, they aren't confused.

As someone who worked a retail job selling those dozens of Mac models in the 1990's, I can tell you firsthand that people would look at the lineup like a deer in headlights. Steve was totally right to slash the number of models for Apple's bottom line, but it was also the right move for customers and he knew that.

I would expect most people who buy a TV or cell phone just get what the Best Buy or ATT store rep tells them is the popular model.

As for cars, most of the differences between models are physically clear. Faster engine, better looks, better seats, more legroom, etc. Electronics are a lot more abstract. People need clear use-cases for how the product will best fit their lives.
 
Without any substantial change to the user experience on any new iPad, then the platform will continue to be stale and uninteresting.

Honestly, Apple should focus 100% on making handwriting a complete analogous replacement of pen and paper. There is still too much compromise when writing on a tablet screen, even the iPad Pro. Lag and lack of fidelity means that over time it gets wearisome to write neatly on a tablet because you can't properly align new content to each other. For quick scribbles and such, sure, but when taking notes in a boardroom I grab a pen and notebook, its just easier.

If Apple could INNOVATE and crack the nut about a tablet replacing pen and paper with an iPad, then hands down this is the best thing they could do for tablets. A very thin tablet, instantaneous detection of your stylus movement, no lag and extremely high resolution input and rendering so that writing on a tablet matches the same experience as with pen and paper would be amazing. They should stop with the whole "post-PC" era and focus on "post pen and paper" era.

Sorry, Steve Jobs was wrong about this. I still use pen and paper at work for everything but writing code, and a lot of people do. Stylus support on most platforms, even as good as it has been on Surface, Galaxy Note and iPad Pro is still lacking and I don't feel like pen input has been a first class feature of most platforms, more like an add on.

Why can't fire up a digital notepad sandbox app, start drawing a grid on a screen, write in a few headers and fill in a few columns of content, write a formula and then automatically behind the scenes Numbers starts crunching the values and filling in rest of the grid, using my handwriting style. Why can't I start writing out an equation and the app starts to solve it for you. Write a query and content is searched for and displayed in a box beside my handwriting. I should be able to prototype an iPad application by drawing on screen and turning it into viable interactive GUI code right away, actually use the iPad Pro to develop iPad apps. I mean I could honestly live in one app all day long if it would adapt to what I am writing and use background apps to support what I am writing. This could be GROUNDBREAKING AND MAGICAL, worthy of all of Apple's misguided marketing rhetoric.

My biggest problem with Apple is a complete lack of vision for the future and getting stuck in marginal improvements of case designs, thinness, and incremental updates of hardware. I can think of a hundred ways tablets can be better but if I only had a few billion in R&D dollars behind me...

Its almost criminal to think that all Apple might do this year for iPad is an OS update, CPU update and increase the screen resolution with 100+ billion in liquid funds available to their R&D team.


Well said! That's the most thoughtful, provocative, and rightly visionary post I've read in a LONG time!

Will SOMEONE PLEASE wake up Tim Cook and read him this post?!!

For God sake!
 
As someone who worked a retail job selling those dozens of Mac models in the 1990's, I can tell you firsthand that people would look at the lineup like a deer in headlights. Steve was totally right to slash the number of models for Apple's bottom line, but it was also the right move for customers and he knew that.

I would expect most people who buy a TV or cell phone just get what the Best Buy or ATT store rep tells them is the popular model.

As for cars, most of the differences between models are physically clear. Faster engine, better looks, better seats, more legroom, etc. Electronics are a lot more abstract. People need clear use-cases for how the product will best fit their lives.
As someone who's been in a retail store, most people just get the iPad the store rep tells them is the popular model. No one is confused. Even if they were, that's what the sales people are there to alleviate: confusion.
 
As someone who's been in a retail store, most people just get the iPad the store rep tells them is the popular model. No one is confused. Even if they were, that's what the sales people are there to alleviate: confusion.
Well, that and push whatever gets them the largest commission, customer be damned!
 
I think they will keep the iPad Air 2 instead of the 9.7 iPad Pro. There is more profit for Apple and more opportunity for channel partners to sell at a discount.

The iPad 2 had a heck of a run. I expect the iPad Air 2 will be similar.

A unified line of iPad pros could sell more Apple pencils and smart keyboards and whatever new smart connector accessories Apple devices to peddle. Which more than offsets the increased costs that go into making them.
 
Without any substantial change to the user experience on any new iPad, then the platform will continue to be stale and uninteresting.

Honestly, Apple should focus 100% on making handwriting a complete analogous replacement of pen and paper. There is still too much compromise when writing on a tablet screen, even the iPad Pro. Lag and lack of fidelity means that over time it gets wearisome to write neatly on a tablet because you can't properly align new content to each other. For quick scribbles and such, sure, but when taking notes in a boardroom I grab a pen and notebook, its just easier.

If Apple could INNOVATE and crack the nut about a tablet replacing pen and paper with an iPad, then hands down this is the best thing they could do for tablets. A very thin tablet, instantaneous detection of your stylus movement, no lag and extremely high resolution input and rendering so that writing on a tablet matches the same experience as with pen and paper would be amazing. They should stop with the whole "post-PC" era and focus on "post pen and paper" era.

Sorry, Steve Jobs was wrong about this. I still use pen and paper at work for everything but writing code, and a lot of people do. Stylus support on most platforms, even as good as it has been on Surface, Galaxy Note and iPad Pro is still lacking and I don't feel like pen input has been a first class feature of most platforms, more like an add on.

Why can't fire up a digital notepad sandbox app, start drawing a grid on a screen, write in a few headers and fill in a few columns of content, write a formula and then automatically behind the scenes Numbers starts crunching the values and filling in rest of the grid, using my handwriting style. Why can't I start writing out an equation and the app starts to solve it for you. Write a query and content is searched for and displayed in a box beside my handwriting. I should be able to prototype an iPad application by drawing on screen and turning it into viable interactive GUI code right away, actually use the iPad Pro to develop iPad apps. I mean I could honestly live in one app all day long if it would adapt to what I am writing and use background apps to support what I am writing. This could be GROUNDBREAKING AND MAGICAL, worthy of all of Apple's misguided marketing rhetoric.

My biggest problem with Apple is a complete lack of vision for the future and getting stuck in marginal improvements of case designs, thinness, and incremental updates of hardware. I can think of a hundred ways tablets can be better but if I only had a few billion in R&D dollars behind me...

Its almost criminal to think that all Apple might do this year for iPad is an OS update, CPU update and increase the screen resolution with 100+ billion in liquid funds available to their R&D team.

Tell me again why it is suddenly Apple's problem to "solve" handwriting on the iPad? Maybe writing on a computer screen shouldn't be like writing on a sheet of paper. What would be the whole point?
 
so 10.5 will have a new design sort of while 12.9 stays the same?

be interested what is added to the 12.9 pro..true tone display seems the one thing we know will have.

When I first heard a Tru-tone, I didn't think much of it. But the reports are pretty stellar and it seems to be really a appreciated feature. I almost upgraded to the 9.7 pro, but being that we are about eight or nine weeks out from the March KeyNote , I'm really interested to see what this new hybrid iPad will look like. I think it's going to do really well and offer a mixture of features tied together from the other models.
 
Everyone has an opinion as to what a "Pro" device should be, but if you ask me, it should at least have a decent file manager. Even cheap Chrome books have that.
What about iCloud drive?
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People are making jokes about price, but I assume this will carry the same price as last year's model. That was the first major iPad price increase in years. I don't think they will try to push an increase through every year.

I think the big question is whether the new budget model will be last year's 9.7" Pro (with the iPad Air 2 discontinued) or vice versa. The Air 2 is still a really capable device for most tablet applications.

I think they will ELIMINATE the 9.7" model and just have the new 10.5" and the larger iPad PRO. That way you can really tell the difference between consumer models and PRO models by the size.
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there will be no 4 sizes ...ipad mini will be not be updated...so we are left with 3 sizes 9.7" 10.5" and 12.9"

I think the iPad mini 7.9" and 9.7" iPad will be the CONSUMER iPads. The 9.7" PRO goes bye-bye. The 10.5" and the 12.9" are the PRO models. Then consumers can easily tell the difference between the iPad models based on the screen size.
 
When I first heard a Tru-tone, I didn't think much of it. But the reports are pretty stellar and it seems to be really a appreciated feature. I almost upgraded to the 9.7 pro, but being that we are about eight or nine weeks out from the March KeyNote , I'm really interested to see what this new hybrid iPad will look like. I think it's going to do really well and offer a mixture of features tied together from the other models.

Part of me is thinking to stick with my 9.7 pro as my device to use in bed and when I want something easier to use and when I go places but buy the new 12.9 pro

I know I said it's too big but kind of miss using the Smart Keyboard and browsing on that. Currently I mainly browse on my MacBook.

Thought I was set on selling my 9.7 to buy the 10.5 but now I'm thinking twice.
 
Maybe Apple could really get the consumers to pay more money if they added an iOS PRO software that allowed a mouse or trackpad to be hooked up for simple clicking. This would not be available on non-pro iPads. Then they could add a trackpad to a new keyboard like MS Surface PRO? Would this cannibalize the MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro line?
 
If I use the new iPad PRO as a tablet or second screen, will the larger 12.9" model still be better? I suppose the 12.9" model may be easier for the eyes especially when using it to read documents on the bus. Is that right?
 
If it was just as easy as you say... you want the best camera with lightning? Get the 9,7". You want the largest display and the good camera? Not possible. But you want the largest display and USB3 transfer speed for SD card? Get the 12,9". You want USB3 transfer speed and the 9,7" screen? Not possible. You want the wider color garmut display and 9,7"? Possible. But you want the 9,7" and 4GB RAM? Not possible.
The screen sizes are not the problem, the problem are the confusing features of each device which give you disadvantages however you decide:
-take the Mini and get an outdated device
-same for the Air2
-take the 9,7" and miss the 4GB RAM and the USB3 transfer speed of the lightning port
-take the 12,9" and miss the wider color garmut screen and the better camera

I think there's quite a point to see confusion in the lineup.

This is a great summary of the confusing iPad line. Thank you and well done.

After owning several prior versions (original iPad, original Mini -- both of which I eventually stopped using) I settled on the original 12" iPad Pro. I love it for both light content (spreadsheets, image editing) and consumption. I honestly think it is the perfect size. I wish it could be my sole device but iOS simply isn't there yet.
 
Anyone else think that apple is throwing the word "pro" around too much these days? They might as well call everything a pro so everyone feels special lol
 
Anyone else think that apple is throwing the word "pro" around too much these days? They might as well call everything a pro so everyone feels special lol
Not me.
"pro" stand for a feature set which allows better productivity than non "pro" devices.
 
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