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How about Kevlar? Is that unique enough for you? Something like Droid Razr Maxx. Thinner than iPhone 4S, 22 hours talk time, 3300 mAh battery and LTE. Talk about innovation...

No one doubts the Razr Maxx's battery life and thinness. Those were two of its strengths. It's an example of a company going all-out on one feature and letting the rest fall by the wayside. But there's a whole package to think of, isn't there?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/9/2783617/motorola-droid-razr-maxx-review

Read The Verge's review of it. Battery life got a 10/10. It also had a terrible screen, bad skins, an old version of Android (even at the time), and "iffy call quality". Overall, they gave it a 7.4. So if you're looking for longevity, the Razr Maxx is a great choice. But there are so many other considerations. How much you wanna bet the next iPhone will get better than a 7.4? :cool:
 
Ugh, I don't like the idea of an unibody for phones! It means it will get much harder to use DYI kits to change the battery or make small fixes. If you drop your phone you can't buy a new back cover and put it there, you'd have to exchange the entire phone! :\
 
Yet neither of you say that you own this innovative marvel... So looks like there is more than just innovation needed to get you to buy. Honestly the battery is sick on the Razr maxx but if I wanted a phone that stayed charged 3 days I would get an old Nokia.:cool:

What did you just say? And did you say that you wouldn't want your smart phones battery to be that good. I think the number one complaint people have with just about every smartphone including the iPhone is battery life. The maxx solves that issue and manages to do so in a very sleak and then form factor.

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No one doubts the Razr Maxx's battery life and thinness. Those were two of its strengths. It's an example of a company going all-out on one feature and letting the rest fall by the wayside. But there's a whole package to think of, isn't there?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/9/2783617/motorola-droid-razr-maxx-review

Read The Verge's review of it. Battery life got a 10/10. It also had a terrible screen, bad skins, an old version of Android (even at the time), and "iffy call quality". Overall, they gave it a 7.4. So if you're looking for longevity, the Razr Maxx is a great choice. But there are so many other considerations. How much you wanna bet the next iPhone will get better than a 7.4? :cool:

I would hardly consider a super amoled screen to be crap. Sure its not the best in class but it is not terrible like people say either. A crap screen would be the iphone 3gs's screen. It was plain terrible compared to what was out at the time and even worse in todays market. Also the ugly skin and old version of android have been rectified. The 4.0 update toned down the skin so much that you hardly even know its there anymore. And pretty much all the apps are based on the aosp version this time around.
 
Ugh, I don't like the idea of an unibody for phones! It means it will get much harder to use DYI kits to change the battery or make small fixes. If you drop your phone you can't buy a new back cover and put it there, you'd have to exchange the entire phone! :\

That's why they have insurance plans for and strong cases like the otterbox. I'm sure tech companies like ifixit will also complain about this and eventually find a way to fix it for the masses. Yes, its sucks how theyre making these things less repairable. At the end of the day, its a cell phone and all I want from my cellphone is for it to work well and have a good batterlife. If unibody design brings this to the market, then it's all good.
 
Funnily enough, those three stages are completely understandable when the design is actually innovative.

People don't like what's good - they like what they know! That's why there are millions of people who will claim that McDonalds burgers are excellent. I've seen people turn their noses up at tender, perfectly seared fillet steak who will wolf down a bag of chicken nuggets and lick their fingers afterwards. There's no point telling them they're wrong - they like what they know and the know what they like!

The same is true for art and I consider great design to be akin to art. People like what they grew up with or what is normal and standard for their cultural/socioeconomic sub group. That's fine but it takes really great art and really great design to bring about something new. That's why you absolutely MUST design from function first. Aesthetics will mislead you. No, that's not right - aesthetics are also from function - designing based on what you think LOOKS GOOD will mislead you. That's how you end up with instantly pleasing but equally instantly forgettable designs like those seen in most high end smartphones.

When you do design from function first and you eschew the bubblegum rubbish in favour of something that will stand the test of time, those designs often leave people cold at first. People are hooked on fashion so they want something like what they know but... you know... more! A faster horse! But then, when people get over the shock of the new, they start to calm down a little. Then someone shows it to them - properly, and explains why it is the way it is. Suddenly, if they're relatively enlightened people, they will start to get it. The thing that looked odd and random before is now merely a signal of the excellent design that underpins the object. Without knowing the function the form seems strange but things that are functional are always beautiful when you really understand them. Then they get excited. Then they want it!

Nobody will be studying the Samsung Galaxy S3 in future lessons on industrial design but there will be a whole module based on the iPhone 4/4S. The GS3 looks nice but it's boring nice. It's cold beer to the iPhone 4's aged scotch. It's something designed by committee and put together by a talented team who's brief was to design something that looked nice. They succeeded. But the iPhone 4/4S and this new iPhone by the looks of it, were clearly designed by a team with a higher minded brief. The antenna band may have had it's flaws but those flaws were fixed. The steel band and the glass back allowed for a rigidity and strength along with a clean, polished, high quality finish that, to this day, no one has yet surpassed. Sure, some newer phones may out-spec the 4S but that's just technological progress. No one has yet fundamentally out-designed the 4S.

You can argue about laundry list of features all day long. For me, here in the UK, LTE is a nothing feature. NFC might have some interesting uses but it's not a deal breaker. But I love great design and when that great design goes into a mass market product that I can own that's even better. This isn't a luxury sports car, a yacht or a $10000 Bang and Olufsen sound system. This is a smartphone that I can buy and use and I'm just some guy on a decent but not exceptional wage working in an office. Nobody makes products like this that are within the reach of normal people. I look around at all the things I own and nothing comes close to the quality of design and engineering that I get in my Macbook, my iPad and my iPhone.

Let the philistines fondle their plastic slabs and compare spec sheets. Whatever makes the knuckle draggers happy. Their chipsets will be obsolete next year, even before then, but great design stays great. I know which one I choose. A thing of beauty is a joy forever.

Bravo good sir
 
What did you just say? And did you say that you wouldn't want your smart phones battery to be that good. I think the number one complaint people have with just about every smartphone including the iPhone is battery life. The maxx solves that issue and manages to do so in a very sleak and then form factor.

I don't think he meant that he wouldn't like a battery that last a long time. I mean, heck, I'd like a phone that never needs charging! But the point is that, with the Razr Maxx, you're sacrificing size and weight for a long battery life. Granted, it's a hair thinner than the iPhone 4S at the thinnest point but it's a darn site wider and taller and made of tacky plastic in place of metal and glass - even with those lighter materials it's still heavier.

It's an ugly, bulky design with a huge battery shoved into it. If the huge battery is your thing then that's cool. Each to their own. I wouldn't be seen dead with one! I'm too stylish ;)
 
Because the brought it into the OS and tied it in with the apps. It works far more than half the time for me. But I'll admit it's not perfect. However, that's nuance issues, not Siri.

Working or not, it's an innovative concept.

Let's see what Apple brings to the table next month when they update it.

We have had speech recognition software tied into apps before Siri "2.0". Had Siri launched this way, I would agree with you. As is, the new Siri features are about the same as when Apple added MMS, copy and paste, etc. Not innovation, just features that needed adding because they were relevant.
 
I like the design, can't wait to get a case for it ;)

I won't be buying it outright, need to see what deals the phone companies are offering. Might need to go onto a higher per month plan this time.
 
Some people seem to forgot that Apple doesn't live in vacuum. Yes, this looks like a major upgrade when you ignore the rest of the smartphone market. Compare it to competitors and suddenly your new iphone is just a catchup game and not even a good one.

There comes a point when people will have to realize that Apple or Samsung don't have to offer all of the features of the other. At the point at which so many clamor for Apple to offer Samsung's features + some other wow factor that amazes them, we wonder why so many phones look alike and have a similar approach or interface. That's the tact that many other companies take and we dislike. Why do we mandate that Apple do the same? If you want a phone that has the features and look of a Galaxy SIII, then maybe buy one (philosophical question, not directed at the person quoted)? I'm not saying Apple should cease to innovate and drop off the feature set cliff. I'm just not sure that "forcing" Apple to come out with a specific screen size and features that some other company uses that some undefined category of folks seem to like makes sense.
 
I think for the longest time I, along with many others, were afraid of the taller iPhone because we have this preconceived notion that it isn't wide enough, since it's so tall. Like, it's too narrow. But the fact of the matter is that it isn't any thinner in width than any of the previous iPhones. It's still wide. Very wide. Wider than my 3.7 inch Droid. Which means, the keyboard is still rockin'.

I'm excited. Take my moneys
 
I still don't like it.

No doubt that it wouldn't be a sufustucated design. But to me there is just too many seams and too much asymmetry going on in this design. Just Look at the camera hole. Is it is
Not aligned right in the upper stripe.
 
This looks really intriguing. The ID guys at Apple are just so bloody impressive, they’re producing Leica quality products while the rest of the industry by and large churns out cheap, plastic products with no price difference. It’s such a rare occurrence that best of breed industrial design and materials are so easily accessible. Imagine an Aston Martin costing the same as a Honda, or a Patek Phillipe the same as a Casio.



This is what Apple does. The current MacBook line has its origins way back in 2001 with the introduction of the Titanium PowerBook. The most marked outward design change came in 2003 when Apple moved to an Aluminum case and eliminated the external hinges. Ditto the current iMac which goes back 7 years.

The external hinge removal actually came with the iBooks first. The Aluminium Powerbooks were really just variations on the iceBook design.

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What did you just say? And did you say that you wouldn't want your smart phones battery to be that good. I think the number one complaint people have with just about every smartphone including the iPhone is battery life. The maxx solves that issue and manages to do so in a very sleak and then form factor.

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I would hardly consider a super amoled screen to be crap. Sure its not the best in class but it is not terrible like people say either. A crap screen would be the iphone 3gs's screen. It was plain terrible compared to what was out at the time and even worse in todays market. Also the ugly skin and old version of android have been rectified. The 4.0 update toned down the skin so much that you hardly even know its there anymore. And pretty much all the apps are based on the aosp version this time around.

Not all oled screens are the same. Some are better than others. The Droid RAZR Maxx happens to have a Pentile layout, which directly translates to "is crap." (And yes, I do own a phone with a Pentile SAMOLED display. It looked like crap from day 1 mostly because it's like I'm viewing everything through a screen door.)
 
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Funnily enough, those three stages are completely understandable when the design is actually innovative.

People don't like what's good - they like what they know! That's why there are millions of people who will claim that McDonalds burgers are excellent. I've seen people turn their noses up at tender, perfectly seared fillet steak who will wolf down a bag of chicken nuggets and lick their fingers afterwards. There's no point telling them they're wrong - they like what they know and the know what they like!

The same is true for art and I consider great design to be akin to art. People like what they grew up with or what is normal and standard for their cultural/socioeconomic sub group. That's fine but it takes really great art and really great design to bring about something new. That's why you absolutely MUST design from function first. Aesthetics will mislead you. No, that's not right - aesthetics are also from function - designing based on what you think LOOKS GOOD will mislead you. That's how you end up with instantly pleasing but equally instantly forgettable designs like those seen in most high end smartphones.

When you do design from function first and you eschew the bubblegum rubbish in favour of something that will stand the test of time, those designs often leave people cold at first. People are hooked on fashion so they want something like what they know but... you know... more! A faster horse! But then, when people get over the shock of the new, they start to calm down a little. Then someone shows it to them - properly, and explains why it is the way it is. Suddenly, if they're relatively enlightened people, they will start to get it. The thing that looked odd and random before is now merely a signal of the excellent design that underpins the object. Without knowing the function the form seems strange but things that are functional are always beautiful when you really understand them. Then they get excited. Then they want it!

Nobody will be studying the Samsung Galaxy S3 in future lessons on industrial design but there will be a whole module based on the iPhone 4/4S. The GS3 looks nice but it's boring nice. It's cold beer to the iPhone 4's aged scotch. It's something designed by committee and put together by a talented team who's brief was to design something that looked nice. They succeeded. But the iPhone 4/4S and this new iPhone by the looks of it, were clearly designed by a team with a higher minded brief. The antenna band may have had it's flaws but those flaws were fixed. The steel band and the glass back allowed for a rigidity and strength along with a clean, polished, high quality finish that, to this day, no one has yet surpassed. Sure, some newer phones may out-spec the 4S but that's just technological progress. No one has yet fundamentally out-designed the 4S.

You can argue about laundry list of features all day long. For me, here in the UK, LTE is a nothing feature. NFC might have some interesting uses but it's not a deal breaker. But I love great design and when that great design goes into a mass market product that I can own that's even better. This isn't a luxury sports car, a yacht or a $10000 Bang and Olufsen sound system. This is a smartphone that I can buy and use and I'm just some guy on a decent but not exceptional wage working in an office. Nobody makes products like this that are within the reach of normal people. I look around at all the things I own and nothing comes close to the quality of design and engineering that I get in my Macbook, my iPad and my iPhone.

Let the philistines fondle their plastic slabs and compare spec sheets. Whatever makes the knuckle draggers happy. Their chipsets will be obsolete next year, even before then, but great design stays great. I know which one I choose. A thing of beauty is a joy forever.

It is beautiful but if function is paramount, then why is the 4S so uncomfortable to hold? It's always slipping out of my hand. I would have preferred a tapered design so it fits more easily in the hand. Seems like Ive went with form over function on this one.
 
Ugh, I don't like the idea of an unibody for phones! It means it will get much harder to use DYI kits to change the battery or make small fixes. If you drop your phone you can't buy a new back cover and put it there, you'd have to exchange the entire phone! :\

Yes, not so long ago, a plane made an emergency landing because an iPhone caught fire. The problem was traced to the battery replacement, which had been botched by some backstreet cheap shop.

This is one of the reasons that Apple doesn't want people fiddling with the phone.
 
It is beautiful but if function is paramount, then why is the 4S so uncomfortable to hold? It's always slipping out of my hand. I would have preferred a tapered design so it fits more easily in the hand. Seems like Ive went with form over function on this one.

I find this argument strange on so many fronts. Do you have difficulty holding books because they're not tapered to fit into your palm? When you lift up the flat lid of a box do you find your fingers slipping off?

The iPhone 4/4S design is easy to hold. Just use your fingers to grip the thing! Place one thumb along the near edge and wrap two of three fingers around the far edge. When you want to use your thumb to touch the screen you can hold it easily between your palm and your fore, middle and ring fingers with your little finger resting underneath.

Honestly, the way people go on about the "uncomfortable" and "slipper" 4S you'd thing they didn't have opposable thumbs!

But this design has other useful attributes. It allowed the phone to be really thin and still have great reception and powerful internals. You could have had the tapered plastic of the 3GS but the smoothness of that design actually makes gripping the phone harder in some ways. You don't have the nice, flat band around the edge to grip.

There is no "form over function" because function follows form. All designs have compromises and you don't have to agree that the choices made were right for you - that's a personal choice. But the iPhone 4/4S was not a result of seeking beauty instead of functionality. The entire design is about functionality.
 
The external hinge removal actually came with the iBooks first. The Aluminium Powerbooks were really just variations on the iceBook design.

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Not all oled screens are the same. Some are better than others. The Droid RAZR Maxx happens to have a Pentile layout, which directly translates to "is crap." (And yes, I do own a phone with a Pentile SAMOLED display. It looked like crap from day 1 mostly because it's like I'm viewing everything through a screen door.)

I guess the trick is getting the right balance. You aim for a price point and then start juggling ...
 
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