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If Siri were speech recognition your explanation woud make sense.

Ok... Everything Siri can do, we have alternatives. We have had internet search queries through voice for a while. perhaps you are referring to setting a reminder using only your voice? Well ok, that's innovation for you, I guess.
 
Bummer about all the leaks. They just give Samsung "designers" more time to "analyze" the competition.
 
You are trying to deny the obvious. Tapered shape is much more convenient. And I can easily prove it. New design will be much slimmer. Let's crank it up a notch. Lets take an example of a coin with flat edges. How do you like picking thins one up from a table? With flat edges one needs to squeeze phone sides very hard to create enough friction. With tapered shape you can slide you fingers under the phone (or press on one phone side to make the opposite side pop).

Crank it up a notch? By this do you mean make an extreme comparison and use that to support your argument? That's also called Reductio ad absurdum and is commonly considered a logical fallacy. Comparing the ease with which one could pick up a flat object that's 7.6 mm thick and one that's 1 mm thick is absurd. Not to mention that a coin is only a cm or two across meaning you need to pinch it between finger and thumb in a very awkward fashion. Let's, instead of "cranking it up a notch", remain realistic, eh?

Like I said, there are benefits to different designs. I find that people overstate the degree to which a tapered back is useful because, while the shape is pleasing in the hand so is the smooth glass and stainless steel which has the added benefit of being thinner too. The flat edges on the new iPhone, like the 4S, allow it to be gripped more easily around the edges than the thin end of a tapered back would.

There are upsides and downsides but, on balance, I find the 4S far and away better designed. That is not to say that others cannot hold differing views. I'm just saying that it isn't a straight up fact that a curved back is better.
 
Like the new Porsche 991 platform. Superior engineering, looks longer, has a longer wheel base, improvements in weight, HP, handing dynamics, etc., yet is just an evolution of the outstanding 997 platform.

Not like new Porsche. It's just a phone. Please stop pretending that iPhone is some kind of a miracle of design and art because it's not. It's a good phone, but it's not Mona Lisa. And yes. It looks almost the same as the previous 2 generations so don't be offended because people are calling things as they are. Average consumer reaction will be "oh.. so it's the same but little bit longer?"
 
Why does MR continue allow Apple hating trolls like lilo777 posting privileges? :confused:
 
Not like new Porsche. It's just a phone. Please stop pretending that iPhone is some kind of a miracle of design and art because it's not. It's a good phone, but it's not Mona Lisa. And yes. It looks almost the same as the previous 2 generations so don't be offended because people are calling things as they are. Average consumer reaction will be "oh.. so it's the same but little bit longer?"

And the 911 is just a car. What's your point? Any product from any industry can have artistic merit. Bad example to disagree with, it's totally on target. :)

The 991 looks like the 997, looks like the 996, 993, etc. Any good design experiences evolutions in the design, usually as a reflection of the underlying engineering (i.e., the 991 visual changes [the lengthening of the chassis] are a result of suspension design targets).
 
Not like new Porsche. It's just a phone. Please stop pretending that iPhone is some kind of a miracle of design and art because it's not. It's a good phone, but it's not Mona Lisa. And yes. It looks almost the same as the previous 2 generations so don't be offended because people are calling things as they are. Average consumer reaction will be "oh.. so it's the same but little bit longer?"

I feel sorry for people who are so blinded they can't see what they're looking at. Everything's either the Mona Lisa or just some stuff!

Great design and engineering exists in all sorts of places! Apple just happens to be among the very best at this. You don't need to be looking at a Ferrari to see great engineering.

No one is offended by people saying what they think. It's just that some of us wish that people would spend a bit more time on the thinking before moving on to the saying. M'kay?

And, by the way, the reaction of the average consumer will be "Yes please.". ;)
 
And the 911 is just a car. What's your point? Any product from any industry can have artistic merit. Bad example to disagree with, it's totally on target. :)

The 991 looks like the 997, looks like the 996, 993, etc. Any good design experiences evolutions in the design, usually as a reflection of the underlying engineering (i.e., the 991 visual changes [the lengthening of the chassis] are a result of suspension design targets).

911 is not just a car. It's a luxury product, it's not your everyday ride, it's not the best selling car of the year or first choice for average Joe. iPhone is though.
Do you see my point now?
 
Not like new Porsche. It's just a phone. Please stop pretending that iPhone is some kind of a miracle of design and art because it's not. It's a good phone, but it's not Mona Lisa. And yes. It looks almost the same as the previous 2 generations so don't be offended because people are calling things as they are. Average consumer reaction will be "oh.. so it's the same but little bit longer?"

Amazing how often Apple gets ripped as being form over function, yet when they find a design they like and stick with it people b**ch because it doesn't look different. I'll reserve judgement on the new iPhone until Apple reveals it. You can't really judge based off of case and parts leaks that may or may not be what the new phone looks like.
 
911 is not just a car. It's a luxury product, it's not your everyday ride, it's not the best selling car of the year or first choice for average Joe. iPhone is though.
Do you see my point now?

So, your point is that only luxury goods can be brilliantly designed? If that's your point then, well, you're wrong.
 
911 is not just a car. It's a luxury product, it's not your everyday ride, it's not the best selling car of the year or first choice for average Joe. iPhone is though.
Do you see my point now?

I follow (and I think this is actually a pretty interesting exchange, +and+ I absolutely do not mean to be insulting, so please don't take it that way...). :)

To the point: aren't Apple product also "luxury items"? If you need to make calls and text there are much lower cost alternatives. If you want, let's call it "basic smart phone features", there's a huge number of Apple alternatives that are much cheaper (if not free).

It's just easier for Average Joe to spend $500 on a phone, vs. $100K on a car, and as such, it also happens to have high sales volume (because of the entry price, and subsidized costs). That being said I don't believe it removes the "luxury" tax (see above).
 
So, your point is that only luxury goods can be brilliantly designed? If that's your point then, well, you're wrong.

My point is that iPhone is not as "brilliantly designed" as let's say Porsche 911. It breaks principles of good design for example by having decorative piece of glass on the back that serves no purpose and makes the phone more fragile.
 
I cant put my finger on it exactly but something just doesnt look quite right, at least from the photos ive seen, particularly of the "black" iphone. It just doesnt look uniform, almost blotchy midnight blue and doesnt seem quite right how the text appears invisible, compared to the rendered design a few pages black which looked nice. It could easily be a product of the cameras being used, and it could also just be one of those things that doesnt quite translate into photographs properly, have to wait and see i guess but this has me leaning to the white one based on the uncertainty around the black
 
My point is that iPhone is not as "brilliantly designed" as let's say Porsche 911. It breaks principles of good design for example by having decorative piece of glass on the back that serves no purpose and makes the phone more fragile.

Does it not serve a purpose though? Wouldnt there be a need for a "slab" of plastic to go there if the glass wasn't
 
Seriously, 6 months ago this forum was plastered with comments about how 3.5 was the only size ever needed and any bigger would be ridiculous. Now everyone loves it. Lol no wonder apple does whatever it feels like. They could literally release identical products over and over and their fans would never stop buying them.

It's true. It's unfortunate that people just blindly buy anything Apple, but they do make very functional devices that are very attractive.

I use the iPhone enough that I get each 1 that releases because the added speed/camera quality or whatever are really beneficial.
 
My point is that iPhone is not as "brilliantly designed" as let's say Porsche 911. It breaks principles of good design for example by having decorative piece of glass on the back that serves no purpose and makes the phone more fragile.

Decorative or there because the Wifi and blutooth antennas are in the back? Is it more fragile than plastic? Yes - when dropped. But compared to plastic it is far more scuff resistant which is a far more common problem with phones.

Toughened glass beats plastic in many ways while being a material that allows for the transmission of Wifi and Blutooth.

So, no, it doesn't "serve no purpose".

Doesn't sound to me as if you should be handing out lectures on good principals of design if you don't even understand material properties.
 
Decorative or there because the Wifi and blutooth antennas are in the back? Is it more fragile than plastic? Yes - when dropped. But compared to plastic it is far more scuff resistant which is a far more common problem with phones.

Toughened glass beats plastic in many ways while being a material that allows for the transmission of Wifi and Blutooth.

So, no, it doesn't "serve no purpose".

Doesn't sound to me as if you should be handing out lectures on good principals of design if you don't even understand material properties.



Does it not serve a purpose though? Wouldnt there be a need for a "slab" of plastic to go there if the glass wasn't

Seriously? Does it have to be glass or plastic? How about kevlar, liquid metal, aluminum or carbon fiber?
 
I cant put my finger on it exactly but something just doesnt look quite right, at least from the photos ive seen, particularly of the "black" iphone. It just doesnt look uniform, almost blotchy midnight blue and doesnt seem quite right how the text appears invisible, compared to the rendered design a few pages black which looked nice. It could easily be a product of the cameras being used, and it could also just be one of those things that doesnt quite translate into photographs properly, have to wait and see i guess but this has me leaning to the white one based on the uncertainty around the black

I suspect that's down to poor lighting and poor photography. Could also be that these cases are rejected ones for those reasons.

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Seriously? Does it have to be glass or plastic? How about kevlar, liquid metal, aluminum or carbon fiber?

Kevlar? You mean the fabric? Liquid metal? OK - so that tech that Apple has rights to but isn't ready for building large parts yet? Aluminium blocks wifi/blutooth. Carbon fibre creates fairly ugly finishes.

Please tell me you're not an industrial designer.
 
This is what Apple does. The current MacBook line has its origins way back in 2001 with the introduction of the Titanium PowerBook. The most marked outward design change came in 2003 when Apple moved to an Aluminum case and eliminated the external hinges. Ditto the current iMac which goes back 7 years.

The current MBP starting from 2008 (unibody) is totally different from the PowerBooks... IDK where you are getting the comparison from.

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What do you want a phone to look like? Would you prefer it be shaped like a moose?

How is Apple less revolutionary now that it used to be? Examples please.

Well not looking almost exactly like the iPhone 4 / 4S would have been nice. Unibody construction in a new, more forward design.
 
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