For my own use, I see some benefits in having a foldable, but I’m not sure I would choose an Apple version. 🤔
I want an ipad mini often, but I already have a phone and an ipad air and a third device in this class is absurd. I also sometimes want a bigger screen on my ipad but also want at least something tabletish that’s more portable than the 13” devices, so I stuck with the smaller size. I’ll likely bump my phone up to the foldable and my ipad up to the bigger size next upgrade cycle, which should cover the 3-4 general categories I want touch devices in with 2 devices.All of the responses are what I predicted: personal opinions of “I want… my friend wants…”
List the reasons why anyone would buy a foldable phone. And for a person to buy a foldable phone, that means they will replace their current non-foldable smartphone so what are the reasons that is going to happen… and some of these people may forego a tablet as well… list why they would.
Do you not even read the many responses to your absurd "there aren't clear use cases of why someone would want to convert a smartphone into a tablet" ?? Note that a fold device is an additional available device choice, and does not suggest that flat phone or flat tablet choices go away.No, my central thesis isn't just that a tablet can't be used with one hand. My point is that a smartphone is an inflection point: it has so much utility because there are many use cases for it as a portable computing device that it has become a tool that is in the pocket of almost every adult in the developed world.
One handed use is one aspect of the utility of a smartphone; for desktops, a key aspect is the precise input device like a mouse down to 1 pixel on a desktop. The other part of what I have been pointing out is that creating a foldable smartphone compromises the smartphone part of the device and compromises the tablet part of the device, and that there aren't clear use cases of why someone would want to convert a smartphone into a tablet. They are both different categories of devices. People use a smartphone because that is what the use case calls for. People use a tablet because that is what the use case calls for. They are not the same category of device. And it has to compete with tablets and smartphones that aren't compromised.
I already answered this in my original response to your post:What problems is it solving for these people. Because someone is buying something doesn't mean that thing is solving problems for them.
So the two pain points a foldable, if offered in a Z-Flip size, addresses are:The Z-Flip has a 6.9" screen, yet is smaller in every dimension than a typical mens' bifold wallet, and is thus more pocketable than any standard smartphone.
And women with small hands have commented that, unlike the case with any current standard smartphone, they can talk on the Z-Flip while holding it comfortably (in its folded state) with one hand.
Galaxy Fold 7 is insanely popular.
Agree on the rarity of seeing them; I think this will change when carriers start offering free fold phones without $100+/month plan requirementsNot where I'm living. During my daily commute I see many phones (almost everybody has theirs out on the train), but I've seen a foldable one exactly twice in recent years. Not sure it was a Fold 7, it was a long/slender looking one in both cases that folded out to a square.
Not where I'm living. During my daily commute I see many phones (almost everybody has theirs out on the train), but I've seen a foldable one exactly twice in recent years. Not sure it was a Fold 7, it was a long/slender looking one in both cases that folded out to a square.
It is rare enough to see anyone with a high end Android phone anywhere around here, so I think I'd notice a thick folded phone with the wildly thick borders on the weird outer screens.I personally don't make it a habit of unfolding around crowds in public spaces, cause the mass public are still in that stage of "Oooh, what's that", and I don't what to be bothered. 😂
So you might have passed plenty of folded Folds and not realized it. Especially if it's a Fold 7, cause it look like a normal slab.
I think an iPhone Fold will change that. But I don't look forward to pedestrians crossing the street with their faces buried in a unfolded iPhone. 😞
It is rare enough to see anyone with a high end Android phone anywhere, much less one that is doubly thick with giant borders because someone isn't unfolding it.
A folded phone looks different than a non-fold phone, I'm not sure if that is confusing. Maybe I have better vision than others and just notice things?Recent Folds don't have giant bezels and thin. The Fold 7 is basically the same thickness (when closed) as the 17PM.
So is a foldable iPhone going to be a double sized iPhone, or a foldable iPad mini?
someone else said it man. like the phone doesn’t turn into a tablet when you open it up. it turns into a bigger phone. i would guess that foldable phones will hit 25% market at some point before the end of the decade. sorry, but if i’m reading an email or on a webpage why wouldn’t I want to see more content. people weren’t satisfied with 20” monitors for their desktops. they got bigger and bigger. screen real estate is the point of a foldable. that is at the end of the day the why. no ifs, ands or buts about it.The problem here is the why. Why would someone want to convert a product into another product category and in so doing, that product with a primary purpose of in this case a smartphone becomes compromised. The same thing applies to laptops converting to tablets, or cars converting to planes, or watches converting to helicopters, etc. Primary purpose becomes compromised.
People use smartphones because they are portable and they have defined use cases. That is a fundamental aspect of why people use them. A smartphone is resilient in its form factor like a desktop is. In the case of a smartphone, the screen, the 'computer', and the input modality is wrapped up into one device that can be held and used with just one hand. With desktops, an over 50 year old technology, the mouse and bitmap screen are resilient where the input mode is precise down to 1 pixel and the screens can be much larger and compute power significantly more. Each have their use cases.
People using smartphones on planes, trains, buses, waiting in line somewhere, plugging into their car for Carplay, sitting on the couch watching a movie and surfing the web, etc. As soon as something like a foldable smartphone unfolds, it changes into a tablet. And a tablet can't reliably be used with one hand, and it takes significantly more effort for a User to input into it, as the arms and hands have to travel farther to hit targets on screen. This reality is aside from the many compromises a foldout tablet would be like.
The point is that there are categories of products for a reason. The right tool for the job. The central point I'm making is that dedicated devices like smartphones and tablets won't be replaced by foldable smartphones and foldable smartphones will end up being niche.
they already make a tv way larger than that. it’s the vision pro.I was thinking... Apple should make a 40 times fold smartphone so it folds out into a 40" TV. That would be cool. Could put it up on a wall in the subway while waiting for the next subway. Or at the grocery store eatery you could watch your favourite sports team while you're eating. Having a smartphone and a TV in one, and being able to bring your TV with you wherever you go has endless possibilities. I pray Apple does this. 😂
You’re not reading and understanding what I have posted many times. Why does someone want a smartphone that converts into a tablet? Explain it.Do you not even read the many responses to your absurd "there aren't clear use cases of why someone would want to convert a smartphone into a tablet" ?? Note that a fold device is an additional available device choice, and does not suggest that flat phone or flat tablet choices go away.
A larger tablet-sized display very obviously potentially facilitates:
• Better viewing of still photos.
• Better viewing of video.
• Better viewing of fields of text.
• Better viewing by the large percentage of the population with vision impairments.
• Better gaming.
* * * While still fitting into a pocket of course. * * *
Exactly. Apple will do something interesting with it or they won't do it all. And even if it fails, Apple can afford a couple of failed products. (But they better get Apple Intelligence right.)Just like Apple’s other relatively low-volume products, not everyone needs to buy one for something to be a commercial success. You’re comparing to the AVP, but a foldable phone is different. It’s not a new product category, it’s just an alternate form factor. Mac mini, Mac Pro, iMac, Mac Studio, all alternative form factors to the VASTLY more popular MacBook Air and MacBoom Pro.
Fold doesn’t need to replace slab for it to be successful. I don’t think they’ll be launching the fold with a success metric of overtaking iPhone or iPhone Pro.
I think Apple will do fold better than others because they’re waiting for the form factor to mature a bit, plus they have plenty of experience with tablets. Samsung has already proven that the market exists and is increasing YoY.
Because it's cool.You’re not reading and understanding what I have posted many times. Why does someone want a smartphone that converts into a tablet? Explain it.
You’re not reading and understanding what I have posted many times. Why does someone want a smartphone that converts into a tablet? Explain it.
you are not reading and understanding or maybe just don’t care because of why you argue what people are telling you. because when given the answer you ignore it and say the same thing over and over.You’re not reading and understanding what I have posted many times. Why does someone want a smartphone that converts into a tablet? Explain it.
I mean, what I'd love to see (if it's even possible) is a "fold and unroll". non-plus iPhone size when closed, unfolds "book style" twice (like the Huawei) then "unrolls" upward to be full iPad size. (Like the silly "Tecno" thing from last year.)I was thinking... Apple should make a 40 times fold smartphone so it folds out into a 40" TV. That would be cool. Could put it up on a wall in the subway while waiting for the next subway. Or at the grocery store eatery you could watch your favourite sports team while you're eating. Having a smartphone and a TV in one, and being able to bring your TV with you wherever you go has endless possibilities. I pray Apple does this. 😂