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[A] The Agency - GAME OVER -- SPIES WIN

At this point, I think I'm going to hit the restart button. This is honestly the worst-administered game I've ever run, and I don't think it's fair to the players to drag this game out. We're going to take a break, and I'll re-start the game on Monday and run it properly. I'm going to tweak the rules slightly from the lessons learnt from this game (replacing the Opinion Maker card with the Under Surveillance card and adding PM guidelines to avoid the screw-ups this game).

I'll make a post summarizing the changes so no one misses anything. I understand if any of you want out of the game -- just let us know before Monday.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!
 
Don't panic said:
it does make sense, but also it doesn't help tremendously, since there are so many combinations.
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In that case. IMO either we've been duped somewhere along the lines and there is a spy hiding or QoS is an agent. It doesn't make sense for both mscriv and Sythas to have both voted Nay if she is a spy. So I'm going to vote Yay and recommend all agents do so.

My reasoning being if QoS is an agent and no hiding is going on the other two spies will also have to vote Nay to block the mission from going ahead.

If we decide we dont want it to go ahead we can always no confidence it.
 
Okay, the OP has been edited with the changes.

TL;DR:

The Opinion Maker was removed, and replaced with Under Surveillance. There's only one of the Under Surveillance card, so the number of Establish Confidence cards was bumped up to two.

And the guidelines, in their entirety, is as follows;

General Guidelines:
  • The GM will not PM the players announcing the start of the game. This has led to confusion in the past, so from now on, the GM will announce the start of the game by @ mentioning all players in the post that officially commences the game. Only the spies will receive a PM from the GM notifying them of such.
  • Votes during the Pre-Planning Phase (the yay/nay votes) must be in BOLD. To allow for this phase to go more quickly and smoothly, the votes, once cast (i.e. bolded), cannot be changed.
  • During the Mission Phase (the success/failure vote), your PM to the GM MUST have the vote in the TITLE of the conversation. The GM should disregard anything in the body of the message, and will only count votes named in the title. No exceptions.
 
what happened?

couldn't really follow all these long ass posts but please don't restart now when it's finally about to get hairy! :D
 
twietee said:
what happened?

couldn't really follow all these long ass posts but please don't restart now when it's finally about to get hairy! :D
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There were a few screw-ups, but the last was the last mission, which should've been a failure. I just screwed up and mistook a success PM for another.
 
Whoa, seems like a lot of errors were made in this game. No worries, I've run games in the past and know it can be difficult to manage everything. Hopefully we've worked out all the bugs now.

Just to satisfy our curiosity can you reveal the roles from this now cancelled game?
 
mscriv said:
Whoa, seems like a lot of errors were made in this game. No worries, I've run games in the past and know it can be difficult to manage everything. Hopefully we've worked out all the bugs now.

Just to satisfy our curiosity can you reveal the roles from this now cancelled game?
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Who do you think is the spy in the group? Personally my money is on wood.
 
Koodauw said:
Can I get summary of what happened?
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Four things went wrong...

1) Wood accidentally sends his mission 1 success vote to the game start group conversation and quickly edits it when he realizes. This group conversation is the first 5 people on this list me, TechGod, WoodNUFC, Twietee and Sythas (so it contains both the other people in mission 1) who could therefore of known Wood's vote before they submitted theirs. @twietee I originally thought that was why you were saying about a 'restart' but then it became clear you didn't know what the original message said. I have 'Receive email when a new conversation message is received' set in my preferences so I got an email with Wood's original message and so I knew he'd voted success before the mission results came out.

2) Wood gets given the Open Up card by TechGod but its played as if it was Establish Confidence (so Wood is told TechGod's role rather than Wood telling someone his role).

3) Twietee is revealed to be an agent due to ongoing discussion about what happened with Wood's goof and what PMs were sent.

4) Mission 2 should have ended in a failure but didn't because ravenvii 'mistook a success PM for another.'
 
mscriv said:
Well, if the 2nd mission was supposed to be failed then I would need to know the vote count before I began to rethink things. However, Wood does seem suspect for putting QOS on the recent team.
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I would assume 1 from what ravenvii said 'mistook a success PM for another.' - sounds singular to me, and its unlikely he'd have missed more than 1 failure vote.
 
ravenvii said:
There were a few screw-ups, but the last was the last mission, which should've been a failure. I just screwed up and mistook a success PM for another.
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ok, that blows, but certainly no real biggie and a reason to throw in the towell! couldn't we just restart with wood presenting another list and we go on from that point? You should give us a vote tally before though.

And wood, before you present a list (assuming we're doing it that way) we should use that spy card.

wood himself would be the lesser evil, I still think TechGs invitation of DP fishy, but that would basically mean, if done on purpose, that Tech, wood and DP are spies. A bit much but possible. A lone wolf theory works with wood and fenris. Fenris being a spy would partially explain his list( he never did that btw, IIRC, I was reasoning with DP about pro/con of his list) which could be interpreted as a way to appear innocent.

it also sheds a light on the super supportive yay votes from people that weren't even assigned (especially on mscriv). that makes me think that dp, tech and wood all being spies is rather unlikely.
 
twietee said:
ok, that blows, but certainly no real biggie and a reason to throw in the towell! couldn't we just restart with wood presenting another list and we go on from that point? You should give us a vote tally before though.

And wood, before you present a list (assuming we're doing it that way) we should use that spy card.

wood himself would be the lesser evil, I still think TechGs invitation of DP fishy, but that would basically mean, if done on purpose, that Tech, wood and DP are spies. A bit much but possible. A lone wolf theory works with wood and fenris. Fenris being a spy would partially explain his list( he never did that btw, IIRC, I was reasoning with DP about pro/con of his list) which could be interpreted as a way to appear innocent.

it also sheds a light on the super supportive yay votes from people that weren't even assigned (especially on mscriv). that makes me think that dp, tech and wood all being spies is rather unlikely.
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Once this game is restarted it'll be confirmed to you that I was an agent. I know you put it as an unlikely theory but still...
 
just to be clear, it's 1-1 now; I guess we all agree on that?

hmm, wood having the spy card certainly blows. as does fenris having taking responsibilty (since he handed out spy to wood, both can be under cahoots).

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techgod, i didn't say that it's an unlikely theory that you're an agent!?

i vote against a restart (if we're allowed to vote on that :p)
 
Sorry for my monologue. :D

The player I'm the least suspecting now is DP: If he'd be a spy it'd suggest TechGod and WoodNUFC as well. But then there would have been already a spy on the team (woodNUFC) and hence TechGs choice of DP an unnecessary risk. DP could have been a possible scapegoat (well, technically he already is ;)) - as was discussed at that point already. Could have been a random choice and a lone wolf - doubt it. DP voted nay on the last, failed mission.

Fenris' posts do appear innocent, but we all know he's more than capable to play an excellent baddie. He handed out the Spy card to WoodNUFC, which I think noteworthy since I tend to believe the fail-voter is among one of these two players. His choice of players day1 appears 'matter to fact' so a possible strategy to sneak in a spy while washing his own hands clean. But I suspected that about Koodauw's list last game too and was wrong about it. Didn't vote on the last mission.

WoodNUFC did go out of his way to include QoS (another innocent scapegoat?) for seemingly nothing but social reasons. If he's our bad guy who failed the last mission it's hard to say if he already accepted ravenvii's faux pas and it was a last straw to bring in a fellow spy (I wasn't cleared at that point but was talking quite a lot of including her instead of DP before - although in a different context). It's a pity about Open Up and that he's our spy. Voted yay on the last mission.

TechGod is suspicous since his very first list (of only three players) didn't even include Fenris, who fielded the successful mission1, but already DP. He never explained that, and I doubt he can. If he's a spy that could have been nothing but a ruse to make DP look extra dubious (but also himself). He also gave him the No Confidence plot. It's a bit of a pity how he played it since I don't really think he's a spy but his actions do scream otherwise.

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Sythas, Koodauw, moyank, mscriv (locked it) and QoS (albeit too late) voted all yay on the last mission. I tend to believe (gut feeling) that there are quite possibly three spies among those or a team of a) wood/Fenris or b)wood/Tech and would gamble on Fenris taking the spy plot from WoodNUFC to spy on him (since wood is included in both teams).

We could then nay Wood's upcomming list and go on with on of mine, then at least we'd be sure that the plots we receive and that I would have to distribute aren't handed out by a spy. On the other hand, depends how we deal with me being cleared by ravenvii, if I'm on the team and we get an eavesdrop I could receive it and clear/confirm another player (but that should be clarified by raven since initially nobody ever would have been cleared in this system).
 
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Alright, the spies were: Don't panic, FenrisMoonlight, WoodNUFC and Moyank24.

The vote I mistook for a success was Don't panic's who actually intended to vote failure.
 
Yet, I was discounted for taking off the "trustworthy" DP for a very innocent QoS.

To be honest though, I was hoping that Fenris would fail the second mission, because I had said several times that I was going to use the Spy on DP if the mission failed. If I hadn't sent my success vote to the wrong conversation at the beginning, I think we could have pulled off a pretty awesome victory for the spies. That goof really did mess up the entire game.
 
see? now you can really blame me ! :D

in my defense, i can only say that i wanted to roll on with the game anyway, and actually i think we still had a chance to win.

the only thing that i had asked raven following the voting miscommunication was to send a PM to all the spies explaining that a mistake had occurred, and one of the spies' vote should have been 'fail'.
this was to preserve the integrity of 'subtext' of said-unsaid stuff, and their interpretation (or lack thereof) by the spy network.
he did that, but then i suppose he decided that there were already too many hiccups and decided to reboot.

i just want to thank @ravenvii for the considerable effort he is putting in creating this community and for how much he cares.
i am also on board with wood in saying that if ravenvii wants to try and play this next game (or successive games), i am happy to swap places and host it
 
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WoodNUFC said:
Yet, I was discounted for taking off the "trustworthy" DP for a very innocent QoS.

To be honest though, I was hoping that Fenris would fail the second mission, because I had said several times that I was going to use the Spy on DP if the mission failed. If I hadn't sent my success vote to the wrong conversation at the beginning, I think we could have pulled off a pretty awesome victory for the spies. That goof really did mess up the entire game.
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i think fenris voted success because he expected me to vote fail.
is that right fenris?
 
hm, well. at least i've been somewhat right about fenris and wood. strange game, even regardless the hiccups - still think we could have played it out.

i'm out for the next though, next two weeks is too much work coming up.

thanks for running these ravenvii! i mean it - you put in an amazing amount of effort and dedication!
 
@TechGod put us really in an awkward position by (unknowingly) selecting 3/4 spies.
then the serendipitous clearing of twietee made it even more tricky.

my own narrative was to try to be the ONLY one to fail the mission and be exposed by wood or others.
the tricky part was how to 'communicate' this plan to the rest of the team, without being obvious to the agency.
i thought i did, but obviously (from his recent post) wood didn't get the memo :D:D:D
i wonder if fenris or moyank did?
 
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