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[A] The Agency - GAME OVER -- SPIES WIN

Moyank24 said:
I'm not sure?

We didn't get any plots that gave us more information on the agents who will be voting, but if this is the way we'll be receiving answers, we may be having the same discussion next round depending on the plots we get.

Luckily we have 2 no-confy's now, so that helps.
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It's tricky - if the eavesdrop had returned that mscriv was an agent - I'd definitely no confidence this team, since DP or QoS would have to be a soy. If he's a spy its possibly a good team - since we're not going to get the results of the eavesdrop I'm torn as to which to do.
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
It's tricky - if the eavesdrop had returned that mscriv was an agent - I'd definitely no confidence this team, since DP or QoS would have to be a soy. If he's a spy its possibly a good team - since we're not going to get the results of the eavesdrop I'm torn as to which to do.
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As I've been telling you all along, I'm an agent. Twietee should confirm that unless he lies. We really need to No Confidence this mission or it will be another failure.

ravenvii said:
Results of any card play will be sent once I get all votes.

I haven't gotten any yet.
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twietee said:
we can still no confidence the mission after all votes are in, right?!
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ravenvii said:
No. Use it if you're going to no confidence the mission, don't wait for the votes.
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FenrisMoonlight said:
ok that's different from previously? Didn't we get the results of the eavesdrop as soon as it was played before? I think we were waiting for that before we sent in our votes.

So - question for people - do you think we should no confidence this mission to get the results of the eavesdrop before we continue or should we allow the mission to continue?
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@ravenvii, I'm so confused about the timing of plot cards. Can you please clarify? Are we not going to get the Eavesdrop results until after the vote is done and the mission decided? The OP says Eavesdrop is an "immediate use" plot card and that it is played during the mission phase. As for the No Confidence, we should be able to get the Eavesdrop results before we make a choice about using it.

I'm just lost on how we are playing at this point. We aren't using deadlines, but then sometimes we do have deadlines. QOS asked you on Friday about deadlines during weekend and you said there wouldn't be any until Monday. Now it sounds like you are asking for votes and if those get sent then the turn is over before players can use plot cards. That's not really fair for players who were thinking there was no activity over the weekend. I'm not upset, I'm just asking that we pick a timing/play system and be consistent with it whether that be to have a clear deadline for each game process or to not have deadlines and allow processes to occur in real time as players send in votes etc.
 
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The issue I can see with the plot cards results not being revealed until the votes are revealed is it makes several plot cards practically useless in the last mission. i.e. Eavesdrop, Establish Confidence which looks like it was played the same way when mscriv established confidence to Wood - Wood didn't report a PM from mscriv until after the votes were revealed. I'm guessing Open Up too. It means the agents pretty much have to keep a no confidence back to use after the plot cards are distributed on mission 5 otherwise the results won't be known until after the game is over.

A Close Eye has the same issue since its only played during pre-planning phase in these rules. So if it turns up in mission 5 plots the only way it can get used is if we no confidence that mission and then re-plan the team.
 
Triple post FTW! Do I get a medal now?

FenrisMoonlight said:
I think we were waiting for that before we sent in our votes.

So - question for people - do you think we should no confidence this mission to get the results of the eavesdrop before we continue or should we allow the mission to continue?
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Moyank24 said:
We didn't get any plots that gave us more information on the agents who will be voting, but if this is the way we'll be receiving answers, we may be having the same discussion next round depending on the plots we get.
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I was definitely waiting for the result - and I guess everybody else was waiting for me to come forward.

And I'm also thinking that we should cancel the mission. It's not a waste regardless how suspicious one perceives mscriv's and wood's behavior. The way the plots are played now it's all what no confidence is left for. The other option I see is to gamble that

a) there is no spy on board (hard to say) or s/he doesn't vote fail for whatever reason (unlikely) and

b) we get two or more cards that could semi-clear more players + the info on mscirv+ wood. There are 2+2 cards of this kind left (1xOpen Up, 1xEstablish Confidence and 2xA Close Eye) while two of those (A close eye) may not be useful, although that would mean we'd succeeded this mission.

We should also take into account that there is no guarantee right now that No Confidence will be played when we have to. If one of Fenris/QoS does it now the other one could be a spy or Moyank could be a spy that'd "Take Responsibility". That and the fact that I'm not sure whether QoS keeps me on the mission or not are the sole reasons I'd throw dice and continue with the mission.

Waiting for DP and others to voice their opinions.

FWIW: I voted already yesterday after ravenvii requested it, so urge others who obviously didn't to wait till everybody had a say in this. Especially QoS and DP.
 
a quick note before i have time to send a more thought out one.

the 'new' rules' have a big impact and change significantly the dynamics of the game, bot in how the cards are played, in how they are distributed and in how teams are made.
while i agree that this approach for 'under surveillance' makes sense and reflects more the way the 'live' game is played (plus it remains fairly balanced), I am not sure this applies to all cards, since the impact is much more relevant and it would seem to aid the spies much more than the agents.

what i am not a fan of is to change rules (or their interpretation respective to the common perception on how they work) on the fly, as the game is progressing. for these kind of tweaks -especially relevant ones such as these- it is better to wait for the next game (unless it is a necessary change, which in this case it wasn't)

as far as the current mission, i would think it makes sense to No Confidence and look at the result of mscriv eavesdrop.
it is just the first go at the mission and we can always put the team up again, or something similar if mscriv/wood come up as spies
I would suggest QoS uses hers, rather than Fenris
 
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I agree with the above. It makes sense to No Confidence the mission in light of the delayed Eavesdrop results. There is no need to rush through missions right now. Let's get the plot card results, and then use that information to our benefit.
 
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twietee said:
Triple post FTW! Do I get a medal now?





I was definitely waiting for the result - and I guess everybody else was waiting for me to come forward.

And I'm also thinking that we should cancel the mission. It's not a waste regardless how suspicious one perceives mscriv's and wood's behavior. The way the plots are played now it's all what no confidence is left for. The other option I see is to gamble that

a) there is no spy on board (hard to say) or s/he doesn't vote fail for whatever reason (unlikely) and

b) we get two or more cards that could semi-clear more players + the info on mscirv+ wood. There are 2+2 cards of this kind left (1xOpen Up, 1xEstablish Confidence and 2xA Close Eye) while two of those (A close eye) may not be useful, although that would mean we'd succeeded this mission.

We should also take into account that there is no guarantee right now that No Confidence will be played when we have to. If one of Fenris/QoS does it now the other one could be a spy or Moyank could be a spy that'd "Take Responsibility". That and the fact that I'm not sure whether QoS keeps me on the mission or not are the sole reasons I'd throw dice and continue with the mission.

Waiting for DP and others to voice their opinions.

FWIW: I voted already yesterday after ravenvii requested it, so urge others who obviously didn't to wait till everybody had a say in this. Especially QoS and DP.
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I've not voted yet as I wanted to see what people thought about no confidencing the mission before I did. I'll hold off until we here from more people. I have the same concerns about not having one in agent hands when we need it later (like mission 5) if we use it now.

Don't panic said:
a quick note before i have time to send a more thought out one.

the 'new' rules' have a big impact and change significantly the dynamics of the game, bot in how the cards are played, in how they are distributed and in how teams are made.
while i agree that this approach for 'under surveillance' makes sense and reflects more the way the 'live' game is played (plus it remains fairly balanced), I am not sure this applies to all cards, since the impact is much more relevant and it would seem to aid the spies much more than the agents.

what i am not a fan of is to change rules (or their interpretation respective to the common perception on how they work) on the fly, as the game is progressing. for these kind of tweaks -especially relevant ones such as these- it is better to wait for the next game (unless it is a necessary change, which in this case it wasn't)

as far as the current mission, i would think it makes sense to No Confidence and look at the result of mscriv eavesdrop.
it is just the first go at the mission and we can always put the team up again, or something similar if mscriv/wood come up as spies
I would suggest QoS uses hers, rather than Fenris
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OK. I'm holding back for the moment to see if QoS uses hers first.

I also agree that it makes sense for under surveillance as it more closely mimics how it would be played in RL but it seems a step away from how Eavesdrop/Establish Confidence would be a played in RL.
 
mscriv said:
I am not a spy.
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He's right. :)
 
Well, that took a while.

Anybody seen QoS at the HQ? She's got plenty of work to do I guess. IA called too, not sure what that was about..
 
Moyank24 said:
Well, if DP is a spy, then Koodauw is a spy as well.

If QOS is a spy, she may not want to No confy this mission, so we'll see...Luckily we have 2 of them!
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Yes, and if DP is a spy then we should consider the likely scenario that he put a spy on his team.
 
mscriv said:
Yes, and if DP is a spy then we should consider the likely scenario that he put a spy on his team.
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that is certain, since you are not a spy, and i am not a spy, then QoS must be a spy, and i did put her there.

i have to say i would have preferred that mscriv came back bad, as it would have exposed two spies, but even like this is a good haul. :)
 
Don't panic said:
that is certain, since you are not a spy, and i am not a spy, then QoS must be a spy, and i did put her there.

i have to say i would have preferred that mscriv came back bad, as it would have exposed two spies, but even like this is a good haul. :)
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Doesn't prove that its not you and Koodauw who are the spies.
 
mscriv said:
Wow, nothing from @Queen of Spades today huh...? She's usually good about participation so I can only assume real life priorities are preventing her from joining us.
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She did say she wouldn't be around at the weekend - wasn't expecting that to continue into today though. I'm just trying to decide whether to no confidence the mission now or to wait until morning to see if she turns up.
 
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