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[A] The Agency - GAME OVER -- SPIES WIN

Don't panic said:
i must have missed, but there is nothing that points at you NOT being a spy.

you were cornered, if you didn't do it it would have been obvious to everyone, not just me
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Actually, I wasn't. I was offline at the time and there was strong consideration for Fenris to use his No Confidence in my absence. I could have just let him do it rather than come in late and do what I said I would do in an earlier turn. Or I could have just submitted my vote and gotten the spies another point. At that point, even if I was outed, big deal. The spies would be 1 point from victory and I would be the only spy sacrifice.

I know your tactic in this game is to pounce on any misplay by a good guy when you need to redirect, and I apologize to the Agents for giving you any ammo at all. Hopefully you become a non-factor from this point on.
 
Queen of Spades said:
Like seriously @twietee? I posted it when you were on last night and asked for feedback. Clearly I'm open to suggestion, not sure where your testiness is coming from.
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Chérie, I wasn't testy at all. But you are one of two prime suspects, of course we've to judge even your tentative list - and no, I didn't want to outright voice my concerns since I would have preferred to wait till you sort your proposal out re turn 3 or 4, as I said, but the caravan moved on, thanks to Sythas. ;)
 
twietee said:
Chérie, I wasn't testy at all. But you are one of two prime suspects, of course we've to judge even your tentative list - and no, I didn't want to outright voice my concerns since I would have preferred to wait till you sort your proposal out re turn 3 or 4, as I said, but the caravan moved on, thanks to Sythas. ;)
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Great, then since you cleared mscriv, please lend a hand here.

team:
@mscriv
@WoodNUFC
@twietee
@FenrisMoonlight

Rationale: mscriv is as cleared as we have, with Wood second behind him. twietee cleared mscriv as well, but again, we're getting into the territory of no one truly being cleared. Fenris is a feeling. I don't know about Sythas. My sense is TechGod is an Agent, but that's also just a gut feeling. If spot #4 is up for debate I'd like to pick from: Sythas, Fenris, and TechGod.

spy list:
DP
Koodauw
Moyank (probable)
 
Any reason why you see Fenris as an agent but Moyank as a (probable) spy?

Maybe you should just present a team - I certainly agree on the first three members - and we start voting. In the end you're still a hot candidate for being a spy and since there are three more or less totally uncleared players on the mission, regardless of who you chose in particular, it's possibly the wisest move to nay it regardless, at least that's what I'll most probably be doing. I'm not pointing fingers here, would have done the same if it were DPs turn (with the additional knowledge about mscriv being an agent).
 
twietee said:
Any reason why you see Fenris as an agent but Moyank as a (probable) spy?

Maybe you should just present a team - I certainly agree on the first three members - and we start voting. In the end you're still a hot candidate for being a spy and since there are three more or less totally uncleared players on the mission, regardless of who you chose in particular, it's possibly the wisest move to nay it regardless, at least that's what I'll most probably be doing. I'm not pointing fingers here, would have done the same if it were DPs turn (with the additional knowledge about mscriv being an agent).
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Of DPs team, if we consider you to be clearer than others - that means there should be a spy between Moyank and Fenris. For me, it's best to consider her a spy until proven otherwise (sorry Moyank). I tend to trust her to my own peril and that gets old. I'm going to choose Fenris, and hopefully we get an Eavesdrop or something useful to check on Moyank.

Team (final answer):
@mscriv
@WoodNUFC
@twietee
@FenrisMoonlight
 
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Queen of Spades said:
Of DPs team, if we consider you to be clearer than others..
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But why would you even consider me clearer than others? I mean I do my best out here so thanks but that just sounds almost naive assuming you know about DP being a spy - yet there are still two of "his" agents in your team (Fenris and me). Edit: And I don't think you're a naive type at all after plenty of years playing these games with you. Quite on the contrary.

mscriv, what are your thoughts on this? edit: not on this post in particular but in general.
 
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I can tell you all for a fact that QoS is the spy, and probably put at least one spy on the list. I would of if I was her. I would hope every Nay's this mission.
 
twietee said:
But why would you even consider me clearer than others? I mean I do my best out here so thanks but that just sounds almost naive assuming you know about DP being a spy - yet there are still two of "his" agents in your team (Fenris and me). Edit: And I don't think you're a naive type at all after plenty of years playing these games with you. Quite on the contrary.

mscriv, what are your thoughts on this? edit: not on this post in particular but in general.
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If DP is a spy and you are a spy, why would you have cleared mscriv? It would have made most sense for you to have said mscriv was a spy and throw suspicion onto mscriv and wood.
 
I agree with wood and mscriv, but with Fenris instead of me on the team, I just can't YAY it. Also think Twietee is a better bet than the others, so I wouldn't really object to a team with those 3 on it. Would be nice if we can confirm DP one way or the other.

NAY

I, too, forgot that we only got one set of cards per turn. That kinda sucks...
 
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twietee said:
mscriv, what are your thoughts on this? edit: not on this post in particular but in general.
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I'm not sure what we should do at this point. DP and QOS are in a standoff and neither of them is going to blink. We don't seem to have any convincing evidence that tips it in either of their favor.

What I do know is that due to the risk of DP being a spy we No Confidenced his mission team. If we don't trust him enough to allow his team to vote then why would we trust QOS enough to let her team vote? We can either vote the team down or we can vote it through and use our only other No Confidence. In my opinion using the No Confidence would be a waste since we don't get any more cards.

Here's the thing, we are going to have to put a team through with only the cards we have so we can get to the next round where we will get new/more cards. So, I think the best we can do at this point is decide which team we think gives us the best shot at either getting an agent victory or at least getting more information if the mission does fail. For this reason, I think for sure myself and WoodNUFC should be on the team. Wood at least has a history of voting success on two previous missions and he must vote publicly which at least will allow us to confirm if he's a spy based on any failure vote he might cast.

I don't trust Koodauw very much at all. First, we have the possibility of the connection between he and DP. Second, if we consider the possibility that DP is innocent then a secondary concern is that Koodauw put together the 2nd mission team that failed.

I hate the notion of having to blindly trust a player, but I think the best we can do is take a chance on whomever we feel to be an agent based on their play at this point. We need two players to go along with WoodNUFC and myself.
 
twietee said:
But why would you even consider me clearer than others? I mean I do my best out here so thanks but that just sounds almost naive assuming you know about DP being a spy - yet there are still two of "his" agents in your team (Fenris and me). Edit: And I don't think you're a naive type at all after plenty of years playing these games with you. Quite on the contrary.

mscriv, what are your thoughts on this? edit: not on this post in particular but in general.
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Basically what Fenris said. If DP is the spy (he is) and you are also a spy - why would you have bothered to clear mscriv? You could have created a lot more confusion and wasted time if you had claimed he was a spy. Everyone was already really leaning that way about him. It's not ironclad, but it's what I came up with.

I've got no read on Sythas, TechGod has been quiet, and I have trust issues with Moyank.

mscriv said:
I'm not sure what we should do at this point. DP and QOS are in a standoff and neither of them is going to blink. We don't seem to have any convincing evidence that tips it in either of their favor.

What I do know is that due to the risk of DP being a spy we No Confidenced his mission team. If we don't trust him enough to allow his team to vote then why would we trust QOS enough to let her team vote? We can either vote the team down or we can vote it through and use our only other No Confidence. In my opinion using the No Confidence would be a waste since we don't get any more cards.

Here's the thing, we are going to have to put a team through with only the cards we have so we can get to the next round where we will get new/more cards. So, I think the best we can do at this point is decide which team we think gives us the best shot at either getting an agent victory or at least getting more information if the mission does fail. For this reason, I think for sure myself and WoodNUFC should be on the team. Wood at least has a history of voting success on two previous missions and he must vote publicly which at least will allow us to confirm if he's a spy based on any failure vote he might cast.

I don't trust Koodauw very much at all. First, we have the possibility of the connection between he and DP. Second, if we consider the possibility that DP is innocent then a secondary concern is that Koodauw put together the 2nd mission team that failed.

I hate the notion of having to blindly trust a player, but I think the best we can do is take a chance on whomever we feel to be an agent based on their play at this point. We need two players to go along with WoodNUFC and myself.
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Can't disagree with any of this. At some point, some trust is going to have to be extended. I'm not a spy. That's all I've got, and it's frustrating for sure, but all I can do is keep banging the drum.
 
So of the 3 possible spies in mission 2.

mscriv
It's still possible he was the spy. It would mean Wood and Twietee are both spies as well and both lied and said he was an agent, which would now require some luck on the part of the bad guys. I did consider a mscriv/Wood spy combination as fairly likely as it would have been what I would have done with the Establish Confidence if I had got that as a spy team leader on the first mission. Now, although still possible it is unlikely.

DP
This requires Koodauw to have cleared him so Koodauw and DP would be spies. I was thinking this was more likely after DP's team choice which didn't make much sense but giving eavesdrop to Twietee so he could clear mscriv doesn't seem to make much sense as a move for the spies. It would be better for them if we still distrusted mscriv. So this is possible but unlikely.

QoS.
It's certainly possible QoS was the spy. If she was then we should also assume that one of the people on her list is a spy. Unless we think she was so sure we were thinking she was a spy that she'd put through an all agents team to confuse us.


The QoS team

mscriv
has been doubly cleared by Wood and Twietee and is therefore unlikely to be a spy.

WoodNUFC
voted success twice, cleared mscriv as agent and under surveillance but it's possible he's a spy.

Fenris
I know I'm not a spy. Unfortunately I have no proof of that.

Twietee
Is mostly unknown but if he is a spy he could have told us all mscriv was a spy and we'd all now be thinking mscriv/Wood were the spy team. We'd have probably let DP's team go through so he could have failed mission 3 putting the spies 2-1 up and we'd now all be trying to decide if Moyank, me or Twietee were the spy on that mission. The only reason I can think of for a spy clearing mscriv would be if Wood was also a spy to help keep Wood trusted and included on teams.

We're not going to get any more plots before we put through a team so all we have to go on is what we know so far and any information we may get from people's team choices and how people vote.


So at this point, from my point of view that team seems either that its going to succeed or if it fails it will reveal useful information about the spies. Since if Wood is a spy and he fails the mission we're going to know about it. If either mscriv or Twietee are spies and fail the mission, then its likely Wood is also a spy.

From anyone else's point of view if it fails most people are probably going to think that me being the spy makes most sense - which makes it an interesting team choice.
 
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Summary of mission and votes so far!


Mission 1
Team Leader: mscriv
Team: Koodauw, WoodNUFC, Queen of Spades

Mission Votes
yay: 6 twietee, Moyank24, Koodauw, Queen of Spades, WoodNUFC, TechGod
nay: 2 FenrisMoonlight, Don't panic
No Vote: Sythas

Plots
Establish Confidence -> WoodNUFC (mscriv is agent)
Eavesdrop -> Koodauw (DP is Agent)
No Confidence -> Queen of Spades

Mission Succeeded! 3x Success


Mission 2
Team Leader: Koodauw
Team: WoodNUFC, Queen of Spades, Don't panic, mscriv

Mission Votes
yay: 6 Sythas, mscriv, Moyank24, WoodNUFC, Don't panic, Queen of Spades
nay: 1 FenrisMoonlight
No Vote: TechGod, twietee

Plots
Strong Leader -> DP
Strong Leader -> mscriv
Under Surveillance -> Wood

Mission Failed! 3x Success, 1x Failure


Mission 3.1
Team Leader: Don't panic
Team: QoS, Moyank24, FenrisMoonlight, Twietee

Mission Votes
yay: 5 twietee, Moyank24, Queen of Spades, TechGod, Koodauw
nay: 4 Sythas, mscriv, WoodNUFC, FenrisMoonlight

Plots
Eavesdrop -> Twietee (mscriv is agent)
Take Responsibility -> Moyank
No Confidence -> Fenris

QoS No Confidence on the mission


Mission 3.2
Team Leader: QoS
Team: mscriv, WoodNUFC, FenrisMoonlight, Twietee


Cards still in play
Fenris: No Confidence
mscriv: Strong Leader
Don't panic: Strong Leader


Edit: Added plots to mission 3.1 and updated cards still in play to be correct
Edit2: Corrected QoS team leader and team list
 
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FenrisMoonlight said:
DP
This requires Koodauw to have cleared him so Koodauw and DP would be spies. I was thinking this was more likely after DP's team choice which didn't make much sense but giving eavesdrop to Twietee so he could clear mscriv doesn't seem to make much sense as a move for the spies. It would be better for them if we still distrusted mscriv. So this is possible but unlikely.
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I thought about this when DP made his choice of how to distribute cards. See below...

Don't panic said:
not bad
eavesdrop to skeptic-in-chief, and intel expert, @twietee (in absence of SS, of course, i would use it on mscriv to extend the chain, but i will leave it to your judgement)
No confidence to lead analyst @FenrisMoonlight
Take responsibility to jackie-of-all-trades- and awesomess extraordinaire @Moyank24
QoS you already had a cookie, so no cards for you :p
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If we look at the player list I think this move can still easily be interpreted as a spy move.

  1. mscriv
  2. Koodauw
  3. Don't panic
  4. Queen of Spades
  5. TechGod
  6. WoodNUFC
  7. Sythas
  8. Moyank24
  9. FenrisMoonlight
  10. twietee

If we consider the possibility that DP is a spy and that he put QOS on the team to be his patsy, then when the Eavesdrop card came out what were his options? Assuming one of Moyank, Fenris, and Twietee are a spy then how does he ensure that his fellow spy isn't outed. He can't give it to QOS who would in turn Eavesdrop on him. The simple answer is that Twietee is a spy and that's why DP gave the Eavesdrop card to him. Another option is that Moyank is a fellow spy and he gave it to Twietee knowing that it can only be used on Fenris or me leaving her safe. Many of us were questioning his choices for the team so when the Eavesdrop card came out there was certainly a lot of pressure for DP to put us in a place of getting valuable information. It would have looked odd had he not taken the opportunity to get a second clearing vote on me.
 
I don't know mscriv. Is it possible? Yes. Does it look odd? No. I'd say your very own distribution was way more questionable, yet you are an agent. From DPs perspective it would look like a waste to double clear himself, including the fact that he would have had to hand out the eavesdrop to QoS, who was and still is a prime suspect.

Sounds a wee bit constructed in my opinion.

We shouldn't totally dismiss the idea that both of DP and QoS could be spies though. He put her on the team after all.
 
apologies to all my fellow agents for not being more partecipative in this game, i have been very busy with life.
in any case i most definitively Nay QoS's team.

i trust mscriv.
while there is a remote possibility all 3 of twietee, mscriv and wood are spies, i don't think that is realistic at this point. it would be very unlucky and i think it basically would mean we lost. so for all practical purposes, mscriv is cleared.
however it doesn't mean that wood or twietee are also clean.
and while i have no specific reasons to distrust fenris, I similarly have no specific reasons to trust him.

i do have all reasons to not trust QoS, however, so i am pretty sure one of those 3 (fenris, wood, twietee) is also a spy.

i understand why people suspect me, and i obviously understands why QoS is attacking me, but she is a spy and she will almost certainly put a spy in her team.
let us skip this team and let's go to Techgod as a Team Leader. At least he comes in without any baggage, unlike QoS.
 
Don't panic said:
apologies to all my fellow agents for not being more partecipative in this game, i have been very busy with life.
in any case i most definitively Nay QoS's team.

i trust mscriv.
while there is a remote possibility all 3 of twietee, mscriv and wood are spies, i don't think that is realistic at this point. it would be very unlucky and i think it basically would mean we lost. so for all practical purposes, mscriv is cleared.
however it doesn't mean that wood or twietee are also clean.
and while i have no specific reasons to distrust fenris, I similarly have no specific reasons to trust him.

i do have all reasons to not trust QoS, however, so i am pretty sure one of those 3 (fenris, wood, twietee) is also a spy.

i understand why people suspect me, and i obviously understands why QoS is attacking me, but she is a spy and she will almost certainly put a spy in her team.
let us skip this team and let's go to Techgod as a Team Leader. At least he comes in without any baggage, unlike QoS.
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This makes sense apart from the 'Techgod as a Team Leader. At least he comes in without any baggage, unlike QoS'

QoS's original team suggestion FenrisMoonlight, mscriv, TechGod, twietee
QoS's final team choice mscriv, Wood, Fenris, Twietee

The only difference there being swapping TechGod for Wood - so if QoS is a spy the options for spies on the team are:
TechGod/Wood, Fenris, Twietee.

I know I'm not a spy, so

if QoS failed mission 2, TechGod/Wood and/or Twietee is likely to be a spy.

The next two team leaders if we Nay QoS are TechGod followed by Wood. If you think QoS is a spy, can you really trust either of the next two team leaders? If we Nayed both of those, we'd then have to Yay whatever team Sythas proposes as anything else would be instawin for the spies. It would certainly be interesting to see what teams they proposed though.

We're close to locking in this decision and I'd really like to see how some of the less active members vote so I'm going to hold off voting atm.
 
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