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They shouldn't bundle the accessories. Reduce the price by as much as or more than the price of the accessories, and allow those who don't need them to pocket the savings.

If you already have an external DVD (e.g., for the Mac Mini) you probably don't need a second one.

If you need an optical drive or ethernet dongle, get one. If you don't need one, keep the money. If you find you need one later, buy it later.

And with OSX you can use whatever DVD drive on your other Macs over LAN am I right?
 
Yes it takes about 5 seconds from professional network admin to do that for you. Not a big deal.

Ok, this is quite possibly the most stupid thing I've read today. If you think major companies with >30K staff members are in the habit of screwing with global network settings to please one pain in the ass with pissy hardware, you're either out to lunch, or you're the CEO.

Quick common sense test: if a company wanted to dish out statically assigned IPs, don't you think they'd already be doing that?

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TB allows daisy chaining so you only ever need 1 TB port.

The problem comes with smaller devices such as network adaptors that may not have the extra TB connector. Generally that wont be a problem since monitors and HDDs most likely will, but if Apple are looking to offshore more features to TB, then that kind of scenario will become more of an issue, IMV.
 
They shouldn't bundle the accessories. Reduce the price by as much as or more than the price of the accessories, and allow those who don't need them to pocket the savings.

If you already have an external DVD (e.g., for the Mac Mini) you probably don't need a second one.

If you need an optical drive or ethernet dongle, get one. If you don't need one, keep the money. If you find you need one later, buy it later.

I understand that everyone needs are different. When I got a while back a MacAir, I also ordered the external DVD drive, just in case. Guess what: it is still sitting in the original box, never touched, never used. I also don't have a use for any of the DVD drives in my other Macs. There is these days just little use for it.

However, those few people that still have a need for it, can buy an external one - no need to put it in the machine for everyone if it is not needed by 99% of the users.
 
Yep....

It's this (probable issue upgrading RAM) and probable issue of insufficient hard drive capacity that makes me suspect this product might not be a "Pro" replacement at all.

Apple has traditionally had the Macbook and Macbook Pro product lines, and now the Air line as well. There's generally been an assumption that the Air was going to be the replacement for the regular Macbook line, vs. keeping three different product lines of portables.

Anything's possible, obviously. But it would make sense to me if Apple simply retained the Air name for the portables 13" or smaller, and started offering ultra-thin "Air like" notebooks larger than 13" (possibly with higher spec processors and/or video than the Airs get), and labeling those "Macbooks"? Then the 15" and 17" Macbook Pro could remain the thicker/heavier options usable as "desktop replacements".


I'm more concerned about the RAM. 4 GB for isn't enough at max.
 
They shouldn't bundle the accessories. Reduce the price by as much as or more than the price of the accessories, and allow those who don't need them to pocket the savings.

If you already have an external DVD (e.g., for the Mac Mini) you probably don't need a second one.

If you need an optical drive or ethernet dongle, get one. If you don't need one, keep the money. If you find you need one later, buy it later.

I completely support this motion ~ but based on Apple's past decisions, they are more likely to charge the same price WITHOUT the 'bundled' items. I am referring to the inclusion of the USB Boot drive and Ethernet Adapter that came with the original Airs.
 
Yes it takes about 5 seconds from professional network admin to do that for you. Not a big deal.

You have _zero_ idea about the companies network architecture, how/what they’re supporting, impact of existing, or legacy infrastructure.

The DOD is one of my clients and they’ve got a very specific network design, and regardless of some change “not being a big deal”, you wouldn't waltz in and tell the IT staff of 50+ people to start accommodating your needs.

Some large enterprises are doing more than supporting an Xbox 360...

What line of work are you in?
 
No ethernet?

If they do drop the 13/15" pros, I guess i'm going to be replacing my works laptop with a Windows device. :(

I can (sort of) understand leaving the ethernet out of the Air, although there are still plenty of hotels with in room ethernet only. Dropping the smaller form factor Pros though would be a big mistake, IMHO.

I don't doubt Apple would, mind you. A simplified line-up with the 17" holding out on the 'Pro' label, and getting increasingly less updates and love, is what Apple are all about.

I'm with you. I NEED an ethernet port for my work. Yes, I understand that this probably isn't an issue for the majority of buyers.

That said, I desperately need a new computer. I've been waiting for Ivy Bridge...
 
Ok, this is quite possibly the most stupid thing I've read today. If you think major companies with >30K staff members are in the habit of screwing with global network settings to please one pain in the ass with pissy hardware, you're either out to lunch, or you're the CEO.

Quick common sense test: if a company wanted to dish out statically assigned IPs, don't you think they'd already be doing that?


Quick common sense test: If they can "dish out" statical assigned ethernet IP's why they cannot do it with WiFi also?

Are we talking about FREE local area network IP's here or Internet IP's ?
 
Ok, this is quite possibly the most stupid thing I've read today. If you think major companies with >30K staff members are in the habit of screwing with global network settings to please one pain in the ass with pissy hardware, you're either out to lunch, or you're the CEO.

Quick common sense test: if a company wanted to dish out statically assigned IPs, don't you think they'd already be doing that?

My company has 22,000 or so employees, and we do give out static IPs to people who requests them. I have one for my workstation as a matter of fact.
 
Quick common sense test: If they can "dish out" statical assigned ethernet IP's why they cannot do it with WiFi also?

Because the people whose job it is to make those decisions sat down, mapped out the company use cases, and concluded that the most practical approach to network topology was to have DHCP only WiFi.

I don't know why this is giving you brain-ache here. Big companies pay people big bucks to run their network infrastructure, and those people make choices based on broadest set of community needs. Once those decisions have been made, they're not going to change them in a hurry.

Whatever you think it is you know about networking, your knowledge does not scale to enterprise grade infrastructure.

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My company has 22,000 or so employees, and we do give out static IPs to people who requests them. I have one for my workstation as a matter of fact.

Lucky for you.

Mine does for Ethernet. Not for WiFi. Are we just making conversation here?
 
Monitor quality

As long as the monitor quality is equal to the pro's. The most recent iteration of the air suck monitor wise - whites look green, colors and overall quality suck compared to my macbook pros.
 
You have _zero_ idea about the companies network architecture, how/what they’re supporting, impact of existing, or legacy infrastructure.

The DOD is one of my clients and they’ve got a very specific network design, and regardless of some change “not being a big deal”, you wouldn't waltz in and tell the IT staff of 50+ people to start accommodating your needs.

Some large enterprises are doing more than supporting an Xbox 360...

What line of work are you in?

Unemployed of course, we are talking about Finland here.

I made my first LAN with Linux in 1995 and have worked with IT help in 2000+ peoples Company.
 
Ok, this is quite possibly the most stupid thing I've read today. If you think major companies with >30K staff members are in the habit of screwing with global network settings to please one pain in the ass with pissy hardware, you're either out to lunch, or you're the CEO.

Quick common sense test: if a company wanted to dish out statically assigned IPs, don't you think they'd already be doing that?

I think this debate is a little offtopic and borderline silly at this point. This his highly variable depending on the company. IT depts have different policies. What may be highly difficult/impossible for you to request, may be a simple ticket submission for another.

At this point, I might we well say something long the lines of, I need a PS2 adapter because USB peripherals of any kind is prohibited for security reasons.

My point is that everyone needs some sort of port for one reason or another, and cutting a port will always displease someone.
 
I always laugh when somebody claims that their MAC is on its last legs.

Hopefully they just mean that they have so much stuff on it and don't prioritize what to take off.

These may be people who don't put larger HD's and more memory into their computers.

My 1994 Quicksilver MP is still going strong, iMac G5 going strong , MBP 2007 and MBP 2008 going strong. These are great quality machines.

Probably the people also stuff their closets with old clothes and all and complain that their closet is on its last legs and they can't close the door any more:)

My mid 2007 BlackBook is still doing great too. I can definitely feel the performance difference in my mid 2011 iMac but still...
 
Still hoping for a real Macbook Pro

Could be something like the image i made in SketchUp, Vray and PS :)

Hope it will still be possible to buy a 15" MBP with:
Quad core Ivy Bridge
SSD only - or a combo 500gb HD
USB 3.0
8-16gb Ram

The graphics should either be the 7xxxM 28nm graphics or it could be ok with nice portable external TB graphics... But then it has to work smoothly!!

Would be nice with high resolution and non reflective display thx..
 

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Unemployed of course, we are talking about Finland here.

Well, I’m actually sorry to hear that - regardless of my opinion of somebody’s “online personality” I hate hearing about personal economic/employment issues.

I wasn’t aware of the current employment situation in Finland (sounds like it’s not good).
 
Could be something like the image i made in SketchUp, Vray and PS :)

Hope it will still be possible to buy a 15" MBP with:
Quad core Ivy Bridge
SSD only - or a combo 500gb HD
USB 3.0
8-16gb Ram

The graphics should either be the 7xxxM 28nm graphics or it could be ok with nice portable external TB graphics... But then it has to work smoothly!!

Would be nice with high resolution and non reflective display thx..

That is beautiful !!!

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Well, I’m actually sorry to hear that - regardless of my opinion of somebody’s “online personality” I hate hearing about personal economic/employment issues.

I wasn’t aware of the current employment situation in Finland (sounds like it’s not good).

Yes it is around 20% here. Government lies the statistics that they can draw more money from Goldman Sachs just like Greece did, it is the "european way" :D
 
You can use a USB adaptor, no drama. :D

The USB adapter is slow. We move a lot of data around and not having gigabit is really annoying for our Air users. Also none of them are able to get Internet Sharing from USB Ethernet to AirPort to work.

We only use internet sharing when absolutely necessary for testing purposes because we know that it's a huge security risk. Apple should have dropped WEP and started supporting WPA2 long ago.
 
Gigabit Ethernet and Internet Sharing are niche use cases for an Air. The guy was talking about needing to connect to ethernet-only hotel connections.

If you want gigabit ethernet in your office environment, get the Thunderbolt Display, it has a gigabit ethernet port for that exact reason.
 
Is it wise to launch a 15" MBA with the delay and then quietly update later when Ivy Bridge has its Ultra Low Voltage line?
 
What an heavens earth are you talking about? The Air is nothing like the iPad, otherwise there wouldn't be 2 products!

Sure, today - just like the MBA and MBP are two products today - but as technology gets better they may merge; similarly for the iPad as ARM and cloud technology improves. Apple has always been big on moving forward an abandoning technology that they view as outdated or not in keeping with their vision of what computing should be. I could easily see them decide that a cloud based iPad, an IOS that is much more Mac OS like, with a powerful ARM processor is enough to replace the MBA, at some point in the future. All that remains is to dump the keyboard and legacy ports.

I am a writer and don't want to use a touchscreen keyboard to write my articles, ever.

Bluetooth is your friend. Seriously, for those people who want a keyboard there's always a wireless option.
 
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