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The problem comes with smaller devices such as network adaptors that may not have the extra TB connector. Generally that wont be a problem since monitors and HDDs most likely will, but if Apple are looking to offshore more features to TB, then that kind of scenario will become more of an issue, IMV.

I agree. This adapter is big and bulky, and provides no pass through:

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I wouldn’t mind carrying around this adapter, but it’s not Gigabit:

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What if I want Gigabit ethernet and an external display? Is my only choice to drop hundreds of dollars on a Apple Thunderbolt Display?

There is a balance between features and portability, and I think this potential 15” MBA is sacrificing too many features in the name of being an ultraportable. It’s one thing to remove the optical drive, but it’s another to axe Gigabit ethernet and upgradable memory. I hope Apple either provides USB3 or a second TB port, or keeps around the 15” MBP in addition to the 15” MBA. Their product lineup is simple enough as it is. It’s too early to kill the MBP.
 
However, those few people that still have a need for it, can buy an external one - no need to put it in the machine for everyone if it is not needed by 99% of the users.
I love the statements being flung around in this thread that have no facts to back up claims/statistics as if there are fact.
<waits for JD to tell me to prove it isn't true.> :rolleyes:
 
iCould can be nice but if you have for example professional DAW that for security reasons is completely offline, you have to use own CPU and Storage

Cloud computing is good for many applications but it will not work everywhere.

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Gigabit Ethernet and Internet Sharing are niche use cases for an Air. The guy was talking about needing to connect to ethernet-only hotel connections.

If you want gigabit ethernet in your office environment, get the Thunderbolt Display, it has a gigabit ethernet port for that exact reason.

wise words. I can smell some logic there!
 
The USB adapter is slow. We move a lot of data around and not having gigabit is really annoying for our Air users. Also none of them are able to get Internet Sharing from USB Ethernet to AirPort to work.

We only use internet sharing when absolutely necessary for testing purposes because we know that it's a huge security risk. Apple should have dropped WEP and started supporting WPA2 long ago.

Would a USB 3 adapter be 'slow'?
 
Bluetooth is your friend. Seriously, for those people who want a keyboard there's always a wireless option.

What's the point in having two devices? Isn't it really unpractical to carry around a tablet AND a keyboard? I just don't see the point. I am currently trying to sell my Mac Mini to get a new MBA. I will set it up as a dual monitor set up at home and use the MBA on the go when I am not at home.
 
What's the point in having two devices? Isn't it really unpractical to carry around a tablet AND a keyboard? I just don't see the point. I am currently trying to sell my Mac Mini to get a new MBA. I will set it up as a dual monitor set up at home and use the MBA on the go when I am not at home.

I will buy second hand ThunderBolt MBA/P and new TB display. Very good price-value there.

Apple ThunderBolt display is about best product Apple makes IMHO considering the price and value.
 
There is nothing wrong with the Airs. Lack of an ethernet port could cause a problem… but not for many. If I didn't do Photography, and some video work along with some xCode development… an air would be fine. But I think many of us believe that the high end portable machine needs to keep more expandability than the present air. I love my new 15" MBP. I know several people who love their 11.5 and 13" airs. Different strokes for different people. Apple still makes great computers, the best computers around.

Personally, I would not appreciate the need to attach a USB dongle just to use Ethernet. Why should I have to pay for and carry around another adapter just to change my router settings, among other things, when Ethernet is built into the chipset. It just adds one more element to troubleshoot when there is a problem.

(Note: I have an older Linksys router which I have set to only allow the settings to be changed when I am hook up to it via Ethernet. This (helps) eliminate the possibility that someone can change my WiFi settings wirelessly.)

While I mostly use WiFi (only because I can't place my router close enough to my MB), I prefer the speed and lack of wireless interference provided by Ethernet.
 
I always laugh when somebody claims that their MAC is on its last legs.

Hopefully they just mean that they have so much stuff on it and don't prioritize what to take off.

These may be people who don't put larger HD's and more memory into their computers.

My 1994 Quicksilver MP is still going strong, iMac G5 going strong , MBP 2007 and MBP 2008 going strong. These are great quality machines.

Probably the people also stuff their closets with old clothes and all and complain that their closet is on its last legs and they can't close the door any more:)

I have a Macbook Pro on its last legs. Screen's got some messed up pixels, bevel is coming apart, and the last time I took it out of the U.S., when you plugged it in, you could feel a very light electrical charge on the case itself.

Of course that's my "If I lose this in Uganda, the only thing that happens is my bag gets lighter" laptop.

As far as the new upgrade is concerned, I'm...conflicted. I'll have to see what the GPU and RAM options are. Topping out at 4 GB at least is a non-starter for me.
 
Gigabit Ethernet and Internet Sharing are niche use cases for an Air. The guy was talking about needing to connect to ethernet-only hotel connections.

If you want gigabit ethernet in your office environment, get the Thunderbolt Display, it has a gigabit ethernet port for that exact reason.

Isn't that what the airport express is for? Even hotels that have wifi some charge per device but the ethernet is there too. So one device per each connection. Sorry, I have to cut this short my UPS is having a meltdown! :eek:
 
Read this carefully. I think it makes explicit where Apple sees things going:

http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/

Here is the important section folks. And sorry, but you will just have to learn to adapt.


They shouldn't bundle the accessories. Reduce the price by as much as or more than the price of the accessories, and allow those who don't need them to pocket the savings.

If you already have an external DVD (e.g., for the Mac Mini) you probably don't need a second one.

If you need an optical drive or ethernet dongle, get one. If you don't need one, keep the money. If you find you need one later, buy it later.

And how many TB adapters are users supposed to buy at $50-100 each?

Buying adapters for TB is much more expensive than buying adapters for a VGA or Mini-DP out.

If Apple pursues this route, the people who use the various ports will incur an additional Apple tax on top of the usual. Then the value proposition of a Mac starts to decrease rapidly. The least Apple could do is to reduce the cost of the MBs so that those who are forced to buy expensive TB adapters aren't pinched so hard.
 
A 15" Air-like MacBook would be cool for someone like my wife who currently has a 15" Windows machine and finds the cheaper, 13" MacBooks too small. She only ever plugs in a printer occasionally and mostly works with text so doesn't need loads of ports and expandability.

Still, they'd be insane to ditch the current 15" MacBook Pro design. It's the most perfect laptop I've ever owned. Love it.
 
I love the statements being flung around in this thread that have no facts to back up claims/statistics as if there are fact.
<waits for JD to tell me to prove it isn't true.> :rolleyes:

Hey there, by popular demand ;), I'll just say this is macrumors, not macfacts or macstats...
 
I love using Apple products. My company is 100% mac. We use 15" MacBook Pro's and Mac Pros for audio post production in the film industry. I'm happy to move forward but there are days when we use every connector on our MacBook Pros. I rarely use the optical drives on any system. I have resigned myself to the fact that it is a dying technology. Its fate was sealed by the avoidance of Blu-Ray by Apple.

We are currently hoping that the Mac Pro continues as a product in one way or another. Our DSP and Blackmagic cards are PCIe. We fully utilise the storage and RAM potential in these products.

Swiss Army Knives and Leatherman Multi-tools are just knives when you remove the tools!! The Pro is the best part of any Mac product.
 
Personally, I would not appreciate the need to attach a USB dongle just to use Ethernet. Why should I have to pay for and carry around another adapter just to change my router settings, among other things, when Ethernet is built into the chipset. It just adds one more element to troubleshoot when there is a problem.

(Note: I have an older Linksys router which I have set to only allow the settings to be changed when I am hook up to it via Ethernet. This (helps) eliminate the possibility that someone can change my WiFi settings wirelessly.)

While I mostly use WiFi (only because I can't place my router close enough to my MB), I prefer the speed and lack of wireless interference provided by Ethernet.

I thought that as well, but I recently purchased the USB-ethernet cable to migrate my girlfriend's MBA. It was fairly cheap, and is in fact more portable than the video adapters that I'm sure we all carry. As for speed and ease of use, I can attest to both.
 
Although it sounds like a good idea to have a 15 inch MacAir. I don't think I would buy one unless they changed some key features from the current MacAir models that is...

1. Give me the ability to at least use any type of SSD drive. Not just the mac created weird ones. It would be even nicer if I could add a second drive being that this is a 15inch.

2. Discrete graphics are a must!

3. Would love to see some USB 3.0 action!

I could add more but I think those would be the big ones. Although I still use my DVD-Rom I understand that they are slowly being phased away by Apple and I will have to find my ways around that... ie backup cdrom drive or something.

If at least those 2 top things aren't in there I think I will stick with either last years model or hopefully they would give a regular model or could just keep the Pro line!

Just my thoughts! :D
 
What if I want Gigabit ethernet and an external display? Is my only choice to drop hundreds of dollars on a Apple Thunderbolt Display?

I think if Apple are going to go down this route for the "Pro" then they're going to have to take the initiative and start making more of their own Thunderbolt peripherals.

In particular, laptop "dock" boxes are a killer app for Thunderbolt - yet, so far, AFAIK we just have one announced by Belkin which isn't going to be out until September, and looks as if it desperately needs a Jonny Ive makeover and a 30% size reduction (so you could carry it around if needed).

The TB display is great if you don't mind having a monitor that only works with <1-year-old Macs (fine for many people, not for me). Even with a TB display, though, it would nice to be able to have a dock to carry around (maybe with a Magsafe PSU)...
 
You have _zero_ idea about the companies network architecture, how/what they’re supporting, impact of existing, or legacy infrastructure.

The DOD is one of my clients and they’ve got a very specific network design, and regardless of some change “not being a big deal”, you wouldn't waltz in and tell the IT staff of 50+ people to start accommodating your needs.

Some large enterprises are doing more than supporting an Xbox 360...

What line of work are you in?

Go, buy a book you hero.
Every intranet can use B class address ranges, so there is no "who ho we cannot bind IP addresses to HW MAC addresses"

I am a network admin and I know because i make a living of that knowledge.

So, don't call him stupid if he is in fact absolutely correct.
 
Lucky for you.

Mine does for Ethernet. Not for WiFi. Are we just making conversation here?

Why do you have 2 seperate DHCP servers ? DHCP over Ethernet or Wifi doesn't matter, just input a MAC address and the reservation is made, no matter what the MAC address is tied to.

No, we're just dispelling your myths about Ethernet. First it was hotel room Ethernet requiring more than 100 mbps, then video conferencing, then IP addresses.

No frankly, I work from the office where there is absolutely no Wifi at all with my MBA all the time, and dragging along the USB Ethernet adapter has been no problem at all. You're quite blowing this whole "lack of built-in Ethernet" out of proportions.
 
Apple will release Mac OS X 10.7.4 in the next 2-3 weeks. They released new printer drivers (Epson in this case), which is usually a sign that a new OS update is not far away. And the 15" MBA prototype requires 10.7.4...
 
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My call on this year's MacBooks:

MBA in 11", 13", 15"
MBP in 15", 17"

Too many people buy the 15" MBP as it's a very mobile powerhouse. They'd be foolish to replace it with an underpowered air version - they need to keep the quad-core CPU and discrete GPU in it.

13" MBPs aren't really MBPs as they have a significantly slower CPU and no discrete GPU. They're basically a fat MBA, so I'm confident that they'll drop that.

However at 15", some might just want a nice screen and high portability (MBA), and some might want a lot of power (MBP).
 
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My next notebook: macbook pro:i7 2.5ghz quad ivy-bridge,15 inch,1920*1024,16 gigs 1'666 ram,amd or nvidia 2gb grafix,10hours battery life,480 to 512gb ssd 1024gb if possible4:p
 
Ugh I hope they don't replace the pro with a air lineup, 15 inch in air format is pointless. I see them ditching the 13" mbp or the air though.

My 2007 MBP is also on it's last legs (Battery is kaput, 3 mins and it just power off's with no warning), Optical drive takes about 16 tries before it accepts a disk, Lion runs like a dog and Lion just eat's up it's 250gb hard disk (which i also think is on it's way out).

I just hope they keep the 2011 15" MBP and just bump up it's internals.

Im in the same boat as you, however i have a early 2008 model... hard drive is ticking, 8600GT sometimes freezes, battery is dead when unplugged from AC...

Im waiting on the new MBP but with broadcom AC wifi chip.. I'm not getting the wifi N .. no point if i want my new MBP last for a few years.
 
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