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lack of LAN would be a deal breaker for me. I use ps3 media server and streaming HD over wi-fi is just BS, it's ok for SD content

edit: wait a minute, you can probably get a dongle which could split video signal and LAN, like thunderbolt on one end and hdmi + lan on the other - or not??? anybody technically knowledgeable enough to shed more light into this?
 
Unless you're talking about using the airs for graphics heavy computing, they're nowhere near being considered along the lines of a netbook. And remember, it's Apple we're talking about. They're not going to do what people think they should do - they'll push forward. They'll piss you off because they removed some port or drive option. And they'll try to move you towards a new future until they revamp again and change the game once more.


true but i think its more than an optical drive and ethernet port that makes the Pro better for a primary machine than an Air would
 
While cost is always important, it is not my main motivation, I am looking for performance, size and weight.

You nailed it. That's the difference between pro models and non-pro models for Apple. In non-pro models Apple is conscientious to the pocket book of the consumers, whereas pro models give the best mix of performance, size and weight. It isn't about worrying about the cost. That's why if they can keep high performance and scale down the size and weight but have to charge to 100-200$ for a small TB dongle, that's a far better choice than having a bulky MBP.

Ask yourselves this. Given two options with the same overall price and performance:

(A) Bulkier MBP with all the ports built-in
(B) Nice thin and light MBAP with the ports in an external TB adapter

Which would you choose? The obvious choice to me is (B)
 
Umm.... Yea.... I'm good w/ my macbook pro. I'm in a university w/ 30,000 students and I have NEVER seen anyone with a macbook air.

Take the hint apple.
 
Will it replace the MacBook Pro, or be a parallel offering?

That is the question... Hamlet has been asking for about 450 years ;)
 
To which I say it is probably ok for a MacBook Air. But remember that you can only get 100Mbps ethernet through a USB adapter. if they were to drop the Gigabit Ethernet from the MacBook Pro, I'd have to yell: DRAMA!

That would be solved with TB or USB 3 dongles.
 
(A) Bulkier MBP with all the ports built-in
(B) Nice thin and light MBAP with the ports in an external TB adapter

Don't forget that with option B that TB adapter is probably going to be fairly expensive.
 
But does that preserve the full ethernet speed?

Most people would be fine without it but there are some applications where no ethernet or slower ethernet would be a dealbreaker. One that comes to mind is running audio apps along with a second machine, there's software that allows farming out software instruments, passing all midi and audio over ethernet, and I wouldn't be surprised if the USB adapter slows it down too much.

USB 2 sure, but that's antiquated by the time the new Macs are out.

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Don't forget that with option B that TB adapter is probably going to be fairly expensive.

Even if option (B) is a little more, if you are looking for a pro model, the total cost shouldn't be your primary factor but rather what you need your laptop for and whether or not those needs are met. I don't see why a TB dongle wouldn't achieve all performance requirements.
 
You can use a USB adaptor, no drama. :D

And when I'm on a customer's site trying to get connectivity to work on their systems, the primary suspect will always be the USB dongle if there are any issues.

Not to mention the throughput limitations imposed by the adapter..
 
I run a coffee shop in a University Community. Apple has usually let sales drive what they sell. I see a lot more 13" Pros than Airs, which makes me think it would be silly to kill the pros.

My guess that would be mostly because of price. We got our MBP13 delivered for like $1040 which was a good $300 less than a 4GB, 13” Air at the time (and it had 2.5X the HDD storage, though obviously slower vs. the SSD). The 13” MBP seems to always be available for pretty stout discounts.
 
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Why in the hell would you destroy the Pro, entertainment & music industry are totally dependent on them.

Because Apple is no longer dependent on them.
Those pros realized how their steadfast loyalty and dependence on Apple has been rewarded.
Large portions of creative industries and professionals have moved on. So has Apple.
 
Why take away the Ethernet port when it's built in to the chipset?
Does this mean that apple for omit the USB3 as well to push Thunderbolt?

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Originally Posted by Virtualball
I usually like most decisions Apple makes, but this one is ridiculous. Ethernet is an extremely popular way to connect with the internet, especially in businesses. I don't want to not only pay extra money to buy a ethernet connector, but that means I would have to carry it around with me, too. If they give a good reason for dropping it beyond "we don't really like it," then I'll hopefully understand, but this is totally random and unexpected...

Good reason: Wi-fi.

More and more wired connections are being replaced by wireless and Apple's notably an early adopter of next-gen solutions. The infrastructure will take awhile to catch up (e.g., as with Thunderbolt), and meanwhile nobody (I've noticed) in the thread's mentioned 811ac yet (which other rumors have tied to Apple's plans)..... ...and in which gigabit (and beyond) "WiFi" is on the way....

811n
Bandwidth (MHz): 40
Data rate per stream: 15, 30, 45, 60, 90, 120, 135, 150
Allowable MIMO streams: 4

811ac (2 specs, 2011)
Bandwidth (MHz): 80
Data rate per stream: 433, 867
Allowable MIMO streams: 8

Bandwidth (MHz): 160
Data rate per stream: 867, 1.73 Gbit/s, 3.47 Gbit/s, 6.93 Gbit/s
Allowable MIMO streams: 8

Granted, your average coffeeshop is still lucky to give you 811g, let alone n, and Hotel chains have to consider nationwide and world-wide rollouts while not being especially forward-looking about tech in the first place), and even tech-savvy corps will see some bottom-line foot-dragging.

But nonetheless Apple's taken steps forward and waited for the world to catch up before. Might be 2013 or beyond, but it also wouldn't hurt their bottom line to give everyone (two rollout phases) of reasons to buy new Airport Routers (80 and then 160 MHz bandwidth) over the next few years.
 
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I can think of a solution that would keep people who need ethernet happy. Apple could include a USB3 or TB to gigabit ethernet adapter with the machine. But that's not going to happen.
 
15-inch MBA... That might be interesting. If they can bring gaming rig graphics into something that light, that is. That would be the deal breaker for me.
 
My guess that would be mostly because of price. We got our MBP13 delivered for like $1040 which was a good $300 less than a 4GB, 13” Air at the time (and it had 2.5X the HDD storage, though obviously slower vs. the SSD). The 13” MBP seems to always be available for pretty stout discounts.

Yes, I think that is the reason. I see both sizes of airs… but more of the 13" pros. Of course 15 inch pros as well. But, I don't see SSDs being inexpensive enough to replace the HHD yet for many people's primary machine or only computer.
 
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