Actual MBP 2016 users, please tell me the truth!

[azamk87]

Oh coooooome on, not you again. That's a big fat slap in the face for any Leica shooter, my self included. Leica cameras are absolute niche products, aimed at a very small group of highly dedicated users that demand absolute perfection in both form and the functions they expect / need. The tMBPs couldn't be further from this - they don't include the necessary functionality (sub-par keyboard, missing ports, not enough speed) that the most demanding users (and they're marketed at exactly those) require. They're just expensive. If you think that's what Leica is all about, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever.

You can buy a much more functional and versatile camera than a Leica for a much lower cost. Yes, they make brilliant cameras but that doesn't stop it from being a luxury brand as well.

Keyboard on the MBP is actually really good. Don't understand what people are complaining about here.

Apple should have definitely NOT got rid of the SD card slot however you can buy a decent adapter for not much money. Yes it can be a pain to carry these around but not a huge issue. Really cheap of them to not include adapters straight out the box though.

There's people editing Red Weapon 8K footage on these new laptops without any hiccups - that's plenty powerful.

As far as price goes, yes they are expensive but this is the first gen of a new product. The first Macbook Air cost $1800 with a paltry 80GB HDD, not even an SSD. The first 13" rMBP with a 128GB SSD was $1700. This is not saying these costs are justified but something to take into account. When you buy an Apple product you are definitely paying the Apple tax. Do also take into account Macs generally have much much much better resale value than Windows laptops.

Saying the new Macs are "just expensive" is as bad as saying a Leica is "just expensive" (which many people do).

 

[aevan]

Here you have the person I quote, who in all seriousness say the price bump is ok because SSD is bigger, while not accounting for the fact that almost 2 years separate the two iterations and a 256GB today costs probably less than a 126GB in early 2015.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that 2 year SSD was also 2x slower than today. Apple is not using a 2 year old SSD, they are using a much faster one, that achieves ludicrous speeds. So, the price and capacity is the same, the speed is twice as fast. Not every SSD is priced the same, and new Samsung 960 Pro SSDs, for example, are twice the cost of their previous 850 Pro.

 

[aevan]

I call that selected blindness, it serves a function for haters.

Yup. People like to "adapt"/ignore/alter the facts to their preconceived conclusions, rather than draw conclusions from facts.

 

[Ovedius]

It's hard to find a good metaphor.

So true, impossible even, I'd say

...while Leicas are overpriced cameras for upstart photographers.

Right.

While I can't vouch for Leica's cameras, I can definitely vouch for their surveyor equipment.
Priced way, way above their competitors but on accuracy, reliability and ruggedness they're worth it.
Like Macs, in a way.

 

[aevan]

So true, impossible even, I'd say




While I can't vouch for Leica's cameras, I can definitely vouch for their surveyor equipment.
Priced way, way above their competitors but on accuracy, reliability and ruggedness they're worth it.
Like Macs, in a way.

Good to hear. I mentioned Leica's mostly for their reputation and what I've heard of them. I can only judge their beautiful looks, not being a photographer myself - but I thought they are a good example. Same with Omega watches, I know their history and what watch-people say about them, I personally am not a watch-guy.

These are just examples, but the point is - some things cost more because people like nice things.

With Macs, you pay for niceness. And some people here compare that with being shallow, vain or ignorant.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Oh coooooome on, not you again. That's a big fat slap in the face for any Leica shooter, my self included. Leica cameras are absolute niche products, aimed at a very small group of highly dedicated users that demand absolute perfection in both form and the functions they expect / need. The tMBPs couldn't be further from this - they don't include the necessary functionality (sub-par keyboard, missing ports, not enough speed) that the most demanding users (and they're marketed at exactly those) require. They're just expensive. If you think that's what Leica is all about, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever..

You're nobody. Your post made you look like a nobody.

The complaints you make are *exactly* the same complaints we hear from people who troll the Leica community. If you had the experience you claim then you would recognise the trolling things you said are exactly the same as below:

'Hey the M-D has no screen but it costs more than the M-P!'

'Hey the M-A is no better than an M-3 but it costs 6 times more! Where's the progress!!!1111!!'

'Hey the M-P is just an M9. Go for the older model!!111'

'How come the consumer models have USB port but the expensive models don't!!! Leica is cheatingz me!'

Don't argue with me on Xmas day. I still have space in my belly to eat up jealous weakling internet trolls lol

 

[Ovedius]

With Macs, you pay for niceness. And some people here compare that with being shallow, vain or ignorant.

I suppose there's no point in mentioning build quality, lifespan, macOS, user friendliness, excellent bundled software or resale value to these people

 

[aevan]

I suppose there's no point in mentioning build quality, lifespan, macOS, user friendliness, excellent bundled software or resale value to these people

Very true

 

[ihatetoregister]

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that 2 year SSD was also 2x slower than today. Apple is not using a 2 year old SSD, they are using a much faster one, that achieves ludicrous speeds. So, the price and capacity is the same, the speed is twice as fast. Not every SSD is priced the same, and new Samsung 960 Pro SSDs, for example, are twice the cost of their previous 850 Pro.

HERE. Here it is people, the fanboy in its splendour, which spouts *anything*, even completely invented (as seen on other threads by the way) to defend Apple's wrongdoings or borderline scams...
That`s why OP should REALLY be careful with listening to such people.

Double the price huh ? Here's what a simple search can find.

Samsung 850 pro 512GB in 2015 : 400$ (http://www.ryli.net/samsung-ssd-850-pro-the-best-drive-you-can-think-of/) Please also check other sites , there are even higher prices but I'm trying to be nice to you aevan

Samsung 950 Pro 512GB today : 250$ ( https://www.google.no/search?q=sams...hrome.0.0l5.6800j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

Oh, you want to compare with the fastest of the fastest because somehow it makes more sense ?
ok then.
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB today : 329$ ( http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/10/samsung-960-pro-review-the-fastest-consumer-ssd-you-can-buy/ )

Wow. Much truth. Such estimates, aevon .
And Mabincredible, can you please repeat your bit about selective blindness ?

funny their lines always sound the same.

Read this again, slowly.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Apple's using Samsung's SSD controllers for the last three years. So comparing Apple's SSDs to Samsung's is a little hollow and redundant. They are all Samsung.

As for my comparisons of the MBP to Leica. Let's take a look at typical arguments and articles people have written over the years. You will see exactly the same things being said about Leica that are now being said about Apple.

Just google 'Leica arguments' and pick any number of articles. Let's choose the top results:

https://photographylife.com/the-question-of-leica

Quote 'Leica never pretends to compete with other manufacturers. Sophisticated simplicity. Why no one else thought about it?'

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7948586

I won't quote the second link. When you read it you will immediately recognise the petty argument. You will also recognise that the critic ignored that difference between Leica and its competitors is that the former builds products that are meant to last longer and simply more enjoyable to use. Competitors offer more features, but they lose the comfort of use that comes from having a high quality tool that is more straight forward to use.

 

[aevan]

HERE. Here it is people, the fanboy in its splendour, which spouts *anything*, even completely invented (as seen on other threads by the way) to defend Apple's wrongdoings or borderline scams...
That`s why OP should REALLY be careful with listening to such people.


Wow. Much truth. Such estimates, aevon .
And Mabincredible, can you please repeat your bit about selective blindness ?

You are ridicilous. You just prove my point - yes, in 2015 the 850 Pro was more expensive then it is today. And for 2015 price, you'll get the twice as fast 960 of the same capacity in early 2017. The fact that you found one retailer that sold the 850 Pro for a bit more, and a preorder for 960 Pro that is a bit cheaper in 2017 changes little - the street price is, basically, the same. The top of the line SSD from Samsung costs approximately the same in 2017 as it did two years ago - but is twice as fast. And even if it cost a bit less, it's normal practice to have an entire product cost the same as the last year's model. The XPS 15 in 2017 will cost just as much as the XPS 15 from 2016 - but will have faster components. Or do you consider this a borderline scam too?


So your point is.... what, exactly?

The OP should REALLY be careful with people like you who can't grasp even the basics of component pricing, value and performance. You only spread misinformation and false conclusions. You are unable to grasp value for money, only observe the price tag.

 

[fehhkk]

I would rate it 4/5 stars for my MBP non-TB. The only thing that annoys me is the flakiness of the USB-C connector, I imagine firmware will be updated later at some point.

Some of the issues I'd had are:
- Connecting the power cord, and it doesn't charge (needs a reboot).
- The USB-C to Thunderbolt-3 adapter sometimes doesn't display video, I think it's related to the USB-c chipset firmware.
- Couple of times I've found myself not being able to connect a USB-A type device since I didn't have my dongle handy.
- Video performance is lacking.

On the plus side:
+ Very slim, lightweight form factor
+ Stereo speaker performance compared to prior model. Sharper bass, overall better than the tinny sounding ones from before.
+ Keyboard feel, I like it a lot better to fast type on this keyboard. It's a love it/hate it kinda deal.
+ Battery life is superior than the 2015 13" for sure.
+ Retina screen color display is great.
+ Trackpad size is way superior than the prior model.

 

[Naimfan]

I joined these forums in about February last year in anticipation of the launch of the Apple Watch. I've been addicted to them ever since. But they do make me feel very negative about Apple and Apple products, despite the fact that my own experience is mostly very positive.

I don't need a new MBP -- I currently have a 13-inch Early 2015 MBP -- but I can see a case for having a 15-inch rather than a 13. It is a huge amount of money to spend, and I'd want to be utterly delighted by my purchase. I'm pretty delighted by all my other Apple products to be honest.

If you want to be delighted, buy a 2015.

The new ones aren't quite a total disaster to me, but you can see it from them.

 

[kapps]

Ok, I thought about doing this as a new post but it would probably get annoying if everyone posted a new review of their MBP. I had mine shipped to my local Apple store as it originally was supposed to be delivered Dec 28th-Jan 5th and I would be out of town. It came Dec 22nd. This is a BTO 2.7Ghz/1TB/460. I chose 1TB to have some future-proofing so I can work on larger video/photo projects on the internal SSD and then keep most everything on my NAS which can be accessed over wifi.

Physical:
Dense. Reminds me more of my original 12" Powerbook G4 than my 13" 2010 MBA. It's 1 lb heavier than the Air and that is noticeable when holding it in the hand but not really while on your lap. Compared to my PC engineering laptop from work, it's a feather. The space grey is beautiful and everything is tight with an impeccable finish. The only thing that I question is the design of the vents on the left/right of the body. I typically grab and lift in the vent area where the unibody was machined down to ~.100". Since the slot is pretty long, there's not much support in the center. I wonder if this are could be bent if too much force is applied.

Usage:
Nothing to complain about here. It's a Mac that runs OS X, errr, MacOS. The keyboard is much more precise than my MBA but I'm getting used to it. Everything from keyboard to trackpad is just a little higher force and lower deflection. It was annoying at first but fine after a few days of usage. I was skeptical of the huge trackpad but quickly came to love it. Palm rejection works great and the 2-step force touch is pretty cool. I had been accustomed to using a trackpad with fingers while clicking with the thumb at the bottom but I found myself starting to click with fingers as well since there's no difference in click force in different areas of the trackpad. The touch bar is a cool feature that I hope gains more user control and app support. On nitpick is the up/down arrow keys are more stiff than the others.

Performance/Usability:
I haven't completely put this machine through it's real-world paces but it gets a 699 CPU and 84.07 OpenGL in Cinebench R15. I ran Unigine Heaven at full resolution and high quality just to tax the GPU. It was running 20-40fps and it took a surprisingly long time for the GPU to heat up. Once it made it to 80C, the fans ramped up slightly and it was down to 75C very quickly. During general usage, this machine stays much cooler than my MBA. Fans run at their base speed (silent) and all temps are below 100F (sorry for mixed units). It's lukewarm on my lap.

Other comments:
When I first set up the machine, I used Migration Assistant to transfer everything over wifi from my MBA. 20MB/s for 3 hours (MBA has 802.11n). I started with both of them on battery power. After 1 hour, the MBA was at about 50% and MBP was maybe 90%. Also, the MBA's fans were ripping while the MBP was silent. After the entire transfer, the MBP was still at 50% battery and I used it for another 4-6 hours of mixed usage before plugging it in when I went to bed. Maybe I'm one of the lucky one's but I have no gripes with them claiming 10hr batter life. It does drop pretty quick once you engage the dGPU though.

What I don't like:
No extension cable with the power adapter. Really ? I would have also been nice to include a USB adapter.

Overall, I'm happy with my purchase. I needed something that would replace the MBA as well as my 2006 octacore Mac Pro which is still kicking with a Radeon 960 and boot.efi "hacked" to run El Capitan. This will fit that bill nicely.

 

[CaptRB]

I own the 2014 MacBook Air (fully loaded)
I own the 2015 rMacBook Pro 15" (base config)
I own the 2013 MacBook Pro 13"

I now also own two 13" MacBook Pro (base config)

SCREENS
The new MacBooks are superior. The difference is obvious against the Air, more subtle next to the older retina version. But the brightness of the newer display IS obvious, even if the color advantages won't matter to most. Winner-tMBP

KEYBOARDS
There's no point in going around in circles. A few will have an issue with any change in a keyboard design and this is a very personal thing. I type about 45 WPM and my wife is over 70 WPM. Both of us are able to type faster with the new machines. On the surface, the new keyboard is clearly better made with no wobble and no light leaks. Most will adapt, a few won't. Winner-tMBP

PERFORMANCE
The new notebooks are faster across the board. Period. Are they MUCH faster? Nope. But to call them slow would be to say that last years MBP was slow and it sure isn't. I bought mine to handle high-end professional photography, which it does with ease. Does it do it better than the older machines? Yup. Winner-tMBP

BATTERY LIFE
Sometimes 5 hours and usually 7-8 hours, but 10 isn't going to happen often. My 1 year old 15" is no better, often only giving me 6-7 hours at best. I really can't see any difference between them, but the Air clobbers 'em all for battery. If you're going to be away from charging options, the Air is the one to have (keeping mine!). However, with the USB-C charging, the tMBP can use a power brick. But that's cheating! Winner: Air

PORTS
There's no "real world issue" with the ports on any of these machines. Some will prefer the legacy port ease. Pro's like me prefer having more of these faster and more versatile USB-C ports. You're not going to be hampered by either system. Winner: Tie

BUILD
The build quality of the tMBP does indeed feel better overall. Winner: tMBP

SOUND
We all know that Apple hit a home run with the new speakers. I could care less, but a win is a win. Winner: tMBP

USB-C vs MAGSAFE
You can make a case for either, but I had to buy two replacement MagSafe units and the one on my Air is also wearing out. I'd love it more if I could just replace the cable on Magsafe. It's also on the wrong side half the time. We can also now charge off a power brick with USB-C. Since you can buy a MagSafe type adapter, the safety issue with USB-C is moot. Too many advantages for USB-C charging and so...Winner: tMBP

TRACKPAD
The added space on the trackpad, once you start using it for grabbing text and working PP on photos, is a real advantage. It won't matter to everyone, but it's still an upgrade. Winner: tMBP

TOUCHBAR VS FUNCTION KEYS
Let's cut to the chase here. Compared to the old keys the TouchBar is capable of about a zillion ADDITIONAL things and will only expand in functionality over time. If you want to use it in the most basic ways, it's about the same. But you can't deny that it's just a far more versatile way to use that space. Winner: tMBP

LEICA vs NIKON vs CANON vs tMBP
As someone who earns money from shooting (going back to using 8X10 large format and doing all of my own processing), let me say this: Few WORKING pros shoot Leica. They are beautifully made but lack the speed and top tier sensors required for most pro shooters. Compared to the resolution and dynamic range of a Nikon D810 or Canon 5Ds, the Leica is little more than a slow moving toy. Yeah, I own one, but it sees little use. If I want a old-style shooting experience I'll grab the Nikon DF, which also outperforms the Leica. I can't see comparing my tMBP, which is a highly capable and versatile machine, to a highly restrictive Leica. If you're talking about build quality, then yes, a tMBP might be the closest thing, but that's about it. Winner: The guy who didn't blow 8K on a Leica!

Folks, we have tons of cool options for laptops and cameras these days! Everyone should smile! Happy holidays!



Robert

 

[Jay42]

I love mine 100%. I was torn between a MacBook Air and a MacBook Pro and a MacBook. I wanted the screen and portability of the MacBook, but the performance of the Pro. The new Air seemed like an ok compromise, but this new machine made the choice easy. It's super slim, lightweight, with super fast I/O, internal storage, and an amazing display. I went with a 13" 2.9ghz i5, 16gb RAM, and 1tb SSD.

I have grown to really like and now prefer the keyboard, too. Going back to my old Macbook Air is a shock. The screen is incredibly grainy and the colors are dull. Plus the keyboard switches feel squishy and antiquated.

The thing I like most is the snappiness. Between the processor, faster and higher volume of ram, and the ssd, daily tasks feel almost instant. Some actions feel significantly snappier than even my iPhone 6. I simply feel like I can get a lot done on this machine without it getting in the way at all.

I only have a couple legacy devices, and a $40 adapter from Amazon alleviated any compatibility issues. Most of the time I am happy to load the content I need on to the super fast 1tb of internal storage and leave the weight and bulk of the legacy I/O at home. The times that I do need the I/O with me, one adapter solves any issues. There are new adapters on the market that have USB 3.0, HDMI, SD, Micro SD, and passthrough charging all in one small package.

I even enjoy the new power adapter. You can get any length cord you wish and leave the heavy 3-prong extension cable behind (I believe this is why they didn't include one in the box). This significantly reduces the overall weight of carrying the machine and charger. Plus the cable is interchangeable, meaning it can be easily replaced when it wears out. Charging on both sides is also a terrific convenience. I am looking forward to high-output, USB battery banks that work well with this machine.

I must confess I don't use the touchbar much, but it doesn't get in the way at all either. I am glad to have it though, as I think it's usefulness will only increase as developers continue to utilize it in new ways.

My only disappointments are the noisiness of the keyboard (although the switches feel great). It is hard to type quietly on phone calls, in meetings, or on the couch when watching a movie. The second is the price, but given how happy I am with this machine and the fact that I typically keep my machines for at least 5 years, I don't regret it one bit.

EDIT: One other nice convenience: the speakers are good enough that I don't feel compelled to bring a bluetooth speaker anymore while traveling. It's like an extra function built in.

 

[kinster]

I own the 2014 MacBook Air (fully loaded)
I own the 2015 rMacBook Pro 15" (base config)
I own the 2013 MacBook Pro 13"

I now also own two 13" MacBook Pro (base config)

SCREENS
The new MacBooks are superior. The difference is obvious against the Air, more subtle next to the older retina version. But the brightness of the newer display IS obvious, even if the color advantages won't matter to most. Winner-tMBP

KEYBOARDS
There's no point in going around in circles. A few will have an issue with any change in a keyboard design and this is a very personal thing. I type about 45 WPM and my wife is over 70 WPM. Both of us are able to type faster with the new machines. On the surface, the new keyboard is clearly better made with no wobble and no light leaks. Most will adapt, a few won't. Winner-tMBP

PERFORMANCE
The new notebooks are faster across the board. Period. Are they MUCH faster? Nope. But to call them slow would be to say that last years MBP was slow and it sure isn't. I bought mine to handle high-end professional photography, which it does with ease. Does it do it better than the older machines? Yup. Winner-tMBP

BATTERY LIFE
Sometimes 5 hours and usually 7-8 hours, but 10 isn't going to happen often. My 1 year old 15" is no better, often only giving me 6-7 hours at best. I really can't see any difference between them, but the Air clobbers 'em all for battery. If you're going to be away from charging options, the Air is the one to have (keeping mine!). However, with the USB-C charging, the tMBP can use a power brick. But that's cheating! Winner: Air

PORTS
There's no "real world issue" with the ports on any of these machines. Some will prefer the legacy port ease. Pro's like me prefer having more of these faster and more versatile USB-C ports. You're not going to be hampered by either system. Winner: Tie

BUILD
The build quality of the tMBP does indeed feel better overall. Winner: tMBP

SOUND
We all know that Apple hit a home run with the new speakers. I could care less, but a win is a win. Winner: tMBP

USB-C vs MAGSAFE
You can make a case for either, but I had to buy two replacement MagSafe units and the one on my Air is also wearing out. I'd love it more if I could just replace the cable on Magsafe. It's also on the wrong side half the time. We can also now charge off a power brick with USB-C. Since you can buy a MagSafe type adapter, the safety issue with USB-C is moot. Too many advantages for USB-C charging and so...Winner: tMBP

TRACKPAD
The added space on the trackpad, once you start using it for grabbing text and working PP on photos, is a real advantage. It won't matter to everyone, but it's still an upgrade. Winner: tMBP

TOUCHBAR VS FUNCTION KEYS
Let's cut to the chase here. Compared to the old keys the TouchBar is capable of about a zillion ADDITIONAL things and will only expand in functionality over time. If you want to use it in the most basic ways, it's about the same. But you can't deny that it's just a far more versatile way to use that space. Winner: tMBP

LEICA vs NIKON vs CANON vs tMBP
As someone who earns money from shooting (going back to using 8X10 large format and doing all of my own processing), let me say this: Few WORKING pros shoot Leica. They are beautifully made but lack the speed and top tier sensors required for most pro shooters. Compared to the resolution and dynamic range of a Nikon D810 or Canon 5Ds, the Leica is little more than a slow moving toy. Yeah, I own one, but it sees little use. If I want a old-style shooting experience I'll grab the Nikon DF, which also outperforms the Leica. I can't see comparing my tMBP, which is a highly capable and versatile machine, to a highly restrictive Leica. If you're talking about build quality, then yes, a tMBP might be the closest thing, but that's about it. Winner: The guy who didn't blow 8K on a Leica!

Folks, we have tons of cool options for laptops and cameras these days! Everyone should smile! Happy holidays!



Robert

Man.. you've changed.

 

[idark77]

The only winner is Apple...

Merry Chri$tma$

 

[mrhizzo]

Any user of the Macbook Pro 15 (I have one early 2015) can say something about the cooler in the new Macbook Pro 15 2016? I bough mine in April and in many small tasks, the cooler is on and very noise comparing to others computers I have in the same level (like XPS 15).

 

[kinster]

The only winner is Apple...

Merry Chri$tma$

Didn't know it was a competition?

 

[Huntn]

I have a 2016 MBP 13", and so far so good on the Mac side. It's a nice computer (it should be for the price ) The only issue I'm having is not a Mac issue, it's a Bootcamp/Windows 10 issue, the Windows wifi 802.11ac driver by Broadcomm is not working properly. Sometime I get a good connection, but mostly I don't (I get a could not connect message) to my home network using either 2.4 or 5 Ghz networks. This appears to be a common issue but if you're not messing with Windows, it's a non-issue.

I resolved it for now by purchasing a TP-Link AV500 2-Port Powerline Adapter, until Apple or whoever get's the issue straightened out. However for traveling having no wifi (on windows) and needing to use Windows is severly crimped. See an Apple Community discussion about it here.

 

[idark77]

Didn't know it was a competition?

Yes of course.

 

[rklinkhammer]

Exactly, i dont buy mac as a luxury item, i just like the quality since its something i use everyday, also that it keep high resale value which makes up for the lack of upgradability. Better sell whole computer and get a "upgrade" on everything after 3 years, than buying a windows laptop now and throw all money in the garbage. After 3 years a dell is almost worthless in value. Over time a mac is cheaper than windows laptops. Maby higher starting price, but you lose more money in the long run on windows laptops..

Exactly. Family had had 4 dells during the time I have owned my 2009 Mac book pro. Got my daughter an air 3 years ago. Still going strong. Looking forward to my new 15" machine.

 

[CaptRB]

The impression I get browsing these (and other) forums is that the 2016 MBP is a complete disaster and I would be better to burn my money in the garden and use the ashes to write on my walls.

I have a use-case for a 15-inch MBP but all the negativity has made me very wary of spending so much money on something that so many people seem to think is a lemon.

What's the truth? What are your real experiences with this thing? Particularly interested in base model 15-inch.

And so...if you open your eyes wide, read through the real reports from owners, you can sort out that these are very nice machines. I'm not sure if I'd update my one-year old 15" but there's no question that it's a sweet upgrade from the 13" and Air that I still have.

I'll wait one cycle and then add the 15" as well.


Happy holidays!




R.

 

[JayDH]

Went from a Late-2013 15" to the new 2016 15" and just love it. They keyboard, trackpad, speakers, display, and speed are all fantastic improvements. The TouchBar is neat, not amazing, but will become more useful with time. My model is the base 15" and the battery life is just as god, if not better, than my old MBP. I can recommend!