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To me this is plain old protectionism - plain and simple. Apple have their ad platform and want to cut out the competition by changing the t&c's. Are Apple also going to abide by the same rules - ie iAds can't collect analytics also.

Take this to the desktop and say Apple stopped any ad coming through on the browser ,that wasn't from their ad service, from showing to the user. How long would it take the DOJ to step in?

I think Apple have gone to far.

What if apple fully plans that their own system should follow the same rules, who does that hurt more ? The changes to the rules hurt google more than apple who plans to run this as a zero profit unit anyway. As long as they target google indirectly (so for example that apps should follow some rules when collection data) and doesn't own a space DOJ can and won't do anything.

Daniel.
 
"severely limiting their choice of how best to make money."

Nope. It just means you're not the only choice anymore. In fact, it increases that choice by evening the playing field a bit.

And I agree, multi-million dollar corporations should never whine like little b****s. Adobe, admob... it's pathetic.

You put it best ThunderSkunk! :D

It's weird- companies used to actually compete and make better products. Nowdays, they bitch tot he public and use propaganda to try and make us feel bad for them.

$750 million sale too google? Cry me a river. Go figure out how to run your business and quit looking for a handout.

Don't like the possibility Apple might retain control of their iPhone? Make a better phone.
 
The car theme.

Does anybody think it would be ok for GM to know everything about the Ford Focus ? All the tech behind it. WHO drives them. Where they drive to and what they buy ?

No.

I hate it when people try to compare to totally different industries. You can't compare the two in this case.
 
You are right. Apple is DOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!
I should sell all of my shares of AAPL. But then I'd have to pay thousands in taxes from the profits.:confused:
What to do, what to do...

Ah yes- the huge amount of taxes on profits problem :)

If I were you... I would smile! :)
 
All Your Ad Are Belong To Us

I think this whole exchange has been hilarious.....

APPLE: We are going to rule the mobile world and with partners like Google nobody can stop us.

GOOGLE: Apple we don't need you, we are going to develop our own mobile platform and rule the world ourselves.

APPLE: Well if we are not partners, then we will purchase AdMob and compete with you -- no partnership then the gloves are off.

GOOGLE: Gloves off, heh? We'll buy ad-mob first! Take that.

APPLE: No more mobile device statistics for advertisers (except Apple) -- how do you like that? We are protecting our user's privacy. There goes 100M devices from your advertising audience.

GOOGLE: That will never fly -- other advertisers would be way too upset and those folks pay your developers money.

APPLE: Ok, advertisers can ask the user if they can have their stats, but not if they are affiliated with other mobile platforms. Now anybody but Google can get stats and you guys can't use our own users against us.

GOOGLE: No Fair!!!!!! (how much did we pay for AdMob?)
 
Wrong.

Apple is not prohibiting analytics at all, it's only preventing companies that have competing mobile platforms from collecting analytics. This has nothing to do with protecting the public (besides iAds collect that information for advertisers too), and everything to do with competition between Apple and other companies.

I haven't completely formed a conclusion on this myself. My immediate response was that this was another anti-competitive practice that further closes off Apple's iOS platform, another sign that 'Think Different' is dead. OTOH it makes business sense to prevent competing mobile companies from collecting information that could help them compete against Apple's iOS and iAds.

I guess my conclusion is that this is not necessarily a dirty or anti-competitive action, just not one that I would expect to see from a company that pronounces itself to be at the "Intersection of Technology and Liberal Arts." I think they are more or less actually at the "Intersection of Technology and Making a Buck," which is of course what corporations exist to do.

Though it may be naive, once in awhile I would like to see a company of Apple's size, stature, and success to really, truly live up to their mission statement and PR.

Well i agree with you how its played now but you can see where they might be moving now that we have a storm about it fact is apple can change/update/exclude/protect the rules and claim to be the hero in this game because its not in it for the money (yet) google can't.

As for big company's not being nice well thats the nature of the beast i think apple already has a bad feeling with lots of people and it was also this way 5 years ago but again google was considered nice and only now people start to wonder more and more.

Not sure if 'Think different' was about open and fair to begin with but more todo with vision of people and reaching it no matter what. I think Steve is on track in that regard :).

Daniel.
 
I hate it when people try to compare to totally different industries. You can't compare the two in this case.

You are correct to a degree. AdMob is now owned by Google. By allowing AdMob to collect analytical data from iPhones you are giving Google and the android platform free information on iPhone users.

Unless someone can post a link to where AdMob gives Apple all the same info about Android phone users I keep my opinion.
 
I think this whole exchange has been hilarious.....

APPLE: We are going to rule the mobile world and with partners like Google nobody can stop us.

GOOGLE: Apple we don't need you, we are going to develop our own mobile platform and rule the world ourselves.

APPLE: Well if we are not partners, then we will purchase AdMob and compete with you -- no partnership then the gloves are off.

GOOGLE: Gloves off, heh? We'll buy ad-mob first! Take that.

APPLE: No more mobile device statistics for advertisers (except Apple) -- how do you like that? We are protecting our user's privacy. There goes 100M devices from your advertising audience.

GOOGLE: That will never fly -- other advertisers would be way too upset and those folks pay your developers money.

APPLE: Ok, advertisers can ask the user if they can have their stats, but not if they are affiliated with other mobile platforms. Now anybody but Google can get stats and you guys can't use our own users against us.

GOOGLE: No Fair!!!!!! (how much did we pay for AdMob?)

That's pretty spot on!
 
To be honest, I don't like big corporations that collect my private data, either way.

The fact is, however, in today's world we agree to exchange this information for the internet-based lifestyles we choose to live.

Having said that, on my Android phone, when I install an app it warns me in advance exactly what permissions the app is requesting... Now, from what I recall you don't see that in the 'safe' iPhone jail.

Whether you agree or disagree with me on this one, it's clear to see Apple is becoming more and more the figure they demonised in their '1984' ads. Think different. Or not.

It's your choice to support Apple/Google/Adobe/Whoever, at the end of the day, and what anybody else thinks of that is irrelevant. Telling me I'm an idiot because I hold a different opinion is childish. I'm not, for a moment claiming that Google are more honest than Apple, but at least they're willing to compete commercially, rather than in an underhanded, legally dubious manner.
 
I agree that Apple has built a great walled garden. It is their perogative to develop it as they wish, and it is the customer's perogative to choose Apple or any other mobile platform.

However, I would argue that this new rule has nothing to do with platform stability and elegance, it is purely competitive. Note that Apple does not prohibit other ad platforms and analytics collection, only those by companies with competing mobile platforms. If Google did not have Android, then this new rule would not apply to them at all.

Again, this is Apple's perogative as well. But now they are using the walls not for the sake of the quality of the garden, but for other purposes. It does not completely rest well with me. What if Apple had developed a search engine website and technology, would they then prohibit Safari from accessing Google? It's a far-fetched example, but it would be an example of Apple using it's 'walled garden' to stifle competition (and choice.)

Like Apple cares. Apple has spent the better part of the past 10 years building a very strong, vertically-integrated mobile platform. Nowhere does it say that such a platform must be open to anyone and everyone. Nowhere does it say that such a platform needs to allow for endless user "customization" (read as: nerds with no life playing with their toys until 4am). If you don't like it, buy Android. Buy Nokia. Buy Windows Mobile, or whatever they're calling it. You have plenty of choices.

Do you really want the iOS platform to be another Windows, with all of the incompatibilities and problems associated with trying to ensure a quality user experience across all sorts of random hardware? What makes you (and these big tech giants) so entitled? Apple isn't strong-arming anyone. Apple isn't telling company X that you can't have an operating system license unless you do this, that, and the other.

Apple is simply building a walled garden, one that hundreds of million of people appreciate for its simplicity, elegance, and stability. I'm so sick of whiny nerds who think they have some right to tear down the garden wall just because. Well, I've got news for you. The rest of Apple's customers, you know, the other 99%, don't want that. We like the fact that our devices just work. If you want a more "open" (read: chaotic, uncontrolled) platform, go Android. Customize away. Download all kinds of apps from all kinds of sources with no guarantee that what you downloaded isn't a trojan or spyware. But just because YOU want this, don't assume that the rest of us do.

And suggesting that Apple's "revolutionary innovation" has dried up since 2007 is just stupid. Yeah, everyone is trying to catch Apple, trying to copy Apple, trying to out-Apple Apple, and you say they can't innovate. Why don't you go troll somewhere else? You obviously have nothing of value to add to this conversation.
 
Looks to me like this is mostly hurting admob and not developers, but i'm not a developer so i could be completly wrong to.
1 thing is for shure , if i would become a developer i know what i would develop for and wich ad system i would use too.

Like jobs said ( i think on the iPad presentation ) we are a mobile devices company ( iOS ), and that will be the way of the future.
 
Hooray, more limitations! I'm soooo excited for the next big press conference to find out what else I won't be able to do on my iphone!
 
Nope. It just means you're not the only choice anymore. In fact, it increases that choice by evening the playing field a bit.

You do realize that Apple rewrote the rules to cripple Admob in favor of iAd, right? That doesn't exactly sync with what you wrote. Admob was never the only choice, just the best. Changing the rules to make iAd the best is a little :confused:
 
You are correct to a degree. AdMob is now owned by Google. By allowing AdMob to collect analytical data from iPhones you are giving Google and the android platform free information on iPhone users.

Unless someone can post a link to where AdMob gives Apple all the same info about Android phone users I keep my opinion.

There is nothing preventing Apple from extending iAd to the Android platform, in which they could do exactly that thing.
 
To me this is plain old protectionism - plain and simple. Apple have their ad platform and want to cut out the competition by changing the t&c's. Are Apple also going to abide by the same rules - ie iAds can't collect analytics also.

Take this to the desktop and say Apple stopped any ad coming through on the browser ,that wasn't from their ad service, from showing to the user. How long would it take the DOJ to step in?

I think Apple have gone to far.

This is a ridiculous comparison. iOS actually has a web browser and Apple is not blocking ads in the mobile browser!
 
Again, this is Apple's perogative as well. But now they are using the walls not for the sake of the quality of the garden, but for other purposes. It does not completely rest well with me. What if Apple had developed a search engine website and technology, would they then prohibit Safari from accessing Google? It's a far-fetched example, but it would be an example of Apple using it's 'walled garden' to stifle competition.

It should not give you a warm fussy feelling i think we all agree, But this is how the game is played. Apple like other big companies will find ways to protect their profit margins the tricky part is how do you spin it for your users and wallstreet so it sound good.

Daniel.
 
Agreed! Adobe has had YEARS to make Flash work better. And they haven't. So now that someone FINALLY calls them out, they whine and complain. And then there's Google with their total bullsh*t "Don't Be Evil" slogan, as if that is somehow supposed to endear us to the corporate version of Big Brother, capturing and logging any and every bit of personal information it can find. Orwell got it wrong. Big Brother isn't government. It's corporate. And we *willingly* give it all away in the name of convenience.

As Jobs has pointed out on several occasions, Apple didn't step on Google's toes. Google had a very positive relationship with Apple until they decided to bite the hand that fed them. Well, guess what, competition is a b*tch, isn't it, Google? First they try to undermine the iPhone with Android, then they jump in and scoop AdMob out from under Apple. And now AdMob's chief douchebag is going to whine and complain about being locked out of the iOS platform? Give me a break!

Steve Jobs is very smart. And he's ruthless. Apple's iOS solution is brilliant in that it's simultaneously tightly controlled and totally open. If you want to play in the App Store ecosystem, you have to agree to Apple's rules. But you're welcome to deploy whatever you want via HTML5 and Apple doesn't care. It will be very hard to make the case that Apple is a monopoly on any level.

Furthermore, I sincerely hope that our country hasn't become such a collection of whining little b*tches that we'd actually punish a company for innovating. There's a big difference between using your market position the way Microsoft did with third party hardware vendors and Apple's path of building everything and offering a complete solution.

You put it best ThunderSkunk! :D

It's weird- companies used to actually compete and make better products. Nowdays, they bitch tot he public and use propaganda to try and make us feel bad for them.

$750 million sale too google? Cry me a river. Go figure out how to run your business and quit looking for a handout.

Don't like the possibility Apple might retain control of their iPhone? Make a better phone.
 
Lately Steve seems to be enjoying poking Google, Adobe, HTC in their collective eyes with a sharp stick. I guess it's good to be God. :rolleyes:

There is a massive difference between BEING God and having a God complex. Just wait until the FTC starts poking back.
 
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