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I dont care if IE9 handed out coupons to take home the Sailor Moon girls on the weekend for free, still wouldn't touch IE for public web browsing.
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I dont care if IE9 handed out coupons to take home the Sailor Moon girls on the weekend for free, still wouldn't touch IE for public web browsing.
You are very much misinformed.
HTML5 is more of a marketing term describing a set of specifications that are developed independently by different groups and address different functional areas. The individual specs get picked up by the browser vendors as they release new versions. Many of them have iterated multiple times already.
HTML5 is not some one-shot, wait ten years for the next version effort.
So we should be in favor of perpetuiting an inferior solution in order to save jobs?
There's a lot of buggy whip and shirt collar manufacturers who probably agree with you, but I'm not sure if society would have been better off if we kept them employed in those jobs.
There's a lot of buggy whip and shirt collar manufacturers who probably agree with you, but I'm not sure if society would have been better off if we kept them employed in those jobs.
Well, I am well aware of the limitations of the approach. Nevertheless it has proven to be successful for certain classes of applications. And now, as the computers get much more powerful than in the past, this technique is going to become more prevalent. Just look at what Microsoft is doing with CLR (Common Language Runtime) / Silverlight.
And BTW, since Android market share is going to overtake that of iPhone OS in a few months, by your own logic developers will abandon Apple. That is why I am saying that this i a self-defeating strategy for Apple.
The HTML5 spec is here:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
When the HTML5 spec is approved:
If there is functionality that isn't addressed in the above spec - its not going happen until the next spec? If this is incorrect why?
Some Answers!
Guys,
I have read this thread and I have noticed that no one here has paid attention to the fact that iPhon/iPad carry custom built hardware!
This may not be much for most people but for engineers and low level programmers makes a big difference. For instance in ARM architecture you can use the bitreverse instruction set, which is built into to the hardware, instead of multiplication instruction set at particular times! This could save you some 3 CPU cycles if implemented properly. Now imagine you are rendering a MPEG movie and you have to do this 1000 times a minute, do the maths! The question is when to choose to use bitreverse and when the multiplication instruction set!
If you are provided with a set of APIs, then they are going to be the most efficient ones, this true for Custom Built hardware! Now would you want to use a language that requires an added layer of translation between its main code and the hardware, JAVA-Actionscript-others, or you use the provided APIs that guarantee you maximum productivity.
Guys,
I have read this thread and I have noticed that no one here has paid attention to the fact that iPhon/iPad carry custom built hardware!
This may not be much for most people but for engineers and low level programmers makes a big difference. For instance in ARM architecture you can use the bitreverse instruction set, which is built into to the hardware, instead of multiplication instruction set at particular times! This could save you some 3 CPU cycles if implemented properly. Now imagine you are rendering a MPEG movie and you have to do this 1000 times a minute, do the maths! The question is when to choose to use bitreverse and when the multiplication instruction set!
If you are provided with a set of APIs, then they are going to be the most efficient ones, this true for Custom Built hardware! Now would you want to use a language that requires an added layer of translation between its main code and the hardware, JAVA-Actionscript-others, or you use the provided APIs that guarantee you maximum productivity.
Your invented facts are completely worthless. Blaming Adobe's rampant incompetence on Apple is ridiculous. Just read some documentation if you want to get a clue: http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/navigation/#section=Topics&topic=Performance
OS X has various APIs for high performance computing. Apple even invented Open CL, created GCD for easier multi threading, the accelerate framework exposes many algorithms to use special CPU algorithms...
And you have the ignorance to blame apple for their lack of API support? Honestly, someone who has as little clue as you should stay out of forums like this.
Did you even read the list? There are plenty of popular applications, like Last.fm, Google Earth, Skype. These applications are more popular than anything Apple has to offer.
Oh please... you honestly think that saving 3000 instructions per minute makes a difference for a CPU that executes 500 million of them every second? And you even ask the reader to "do the maths"?
Besides, why waste time with decoding movies on the CPU when you have dedicated hardware for it?
This. It's pretty sickening to see the blind fanboism these days around here, even for a Apple-themed site.
Where I work, we've been testing Windows 7 Professional as part of our planning to push it out to all Windows-based workstations. We've had no major issues with compatibility, but that's largely thanks to the fact that Windows 7 Pro has both XP compatibility mode, and XP able to run via virtualization, built in.
And that is relevant how? It was just a point that the last major browser hold out from HTML5 implementation was bringing it soon, thus providing HTML5 for all major browser platforms.
Whether or not you would use it is not relevant. All the other major browsers already are supporting parts of HTML5.
Propaganda from an angry Flash dev. What a surprise.
You are nuts if you think there is a legal case here. Nothing has changed with this SDK that wasn't there in previous versions. It is just a clarification.
Flash like Java, have always and will always be denied for solid technical reasons.
You see almost ZERO whining about the lack of Java, because Sun didn't bother engaging in a public fight over it like Adobe is doing.
Google also is still very much actively promoting Flash, so in reality, the only one who is anti-Flash is Apple, and I've known plenty of people who switched away from the iPhone because it wouldn't support Flash.
HTML 5 has been in discussion for much longer than that. I know you don't venture much outside Apple's walled garden, but other news does exist you know.
Primarily only when it's with regards to the iPhone and iPod (and maybe, someday, the iPad).
When it comes to the desktop market, Apple sneezes, and people look around to see who sneezed. Microsoft sneezes, and the world feels an earthquake.
wrong
flash crashes on firefox, since i use both safari and fox
crashes much more often w safari, for sure
but adobe attitude towards apple during the last 2 years regarding flash bugs has been lame
they are paying for it
i surely hope adobe and apple get together to build a bug free implementation of flash for mac
but i do not see that happening
That was just an example to show a concept. I did not intend it to be an accurate real life example though!
Note that for a limited instruction set harware, like ARM, saving 2 or 3 cpu cycles in something that may be called many many times will have an effect! Putting it simply, it could be a difference between 60% CPU or 30% CPU!
Heinous lie.
I have Safari, Firefox and Chrome on my Mac, and Flash at one time or another has crashed them. Directing people to another browser isn't the solution.
Does Flash support Trollville?
Because many of the cast and characters have found their way here to espouse the virtues of Flash.
Really people, grow up. Guess we can thank technology for consuming our lives. Because some individuals can't contain themselves.
Fine then, if you can't have Flash on the iPhone, go to the sandbox and whine with the rest of the 2nd graders.
Because many of the cast and characters have found their way here to espouse the virtues of Flash.
Really people, grow up. Guess we can thank technology for consuming our lives. Because some individuals can't contain themselves.
Fine then, if you can't have Flash on the iPhone, go to the sandbox and whine with the rest of the 2nd graders.
We're not talking about the desktop market, so what's your point?
As for the mobile market, Apple is NOT the only one who isn't supporting flash. What mobile device is out there today which will let you run a full version of Flash? What percentage of the mobile market is that?
Hint: Apple devices have 64% of the mobile page hits - and no Flash. Now, add in all the other non-Flash mobile devices. Flash is a non-entity for the mobile market. Period.
Not our fault that you're stuck with a dead technology because you're unwilling to stay up with the times.
Please tell us what Flash will do that html 5 won't do. But before you do that, watch the Toy Story iAd demo.
We know that 64% of mobile page hits are from Apple devices that don't support Flash. Given that there are NO mobile platforms that have full Flash on them, I guess the answer is 100%.
It amazes me how people can parade their narrow-mindedness so openly.
Apple gave plenty of reasons. You may not like them. They may not even be valid. But claiming that there was no reason shows nothing other than you're either misinformed or lying. Or a paid shill.
AND would crash more frequently. AND would open new security holes.
Rubbish!
It takes years for HTML to progress. How long between HTML 4 and HTML 5? Many years.
How many years between Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia and the release of an improved Flash? The world may never know - but it's been 5 years so far - and counting.
Just how is Apple supposed to make Flash work on Macs? Apple didn't write the code. And no other developers seem to be running around saying "our application sucks, but we're incompetent to do anything about it so Apple should fix it for us". You'd think that Adobe would be embarrassed to be taking such a position.
Not a chance. Apple (or someone else) would release an equivalent product. Given how bad Adobe code is, a product created today from scratch would probably blow Photoshop out of the water, too. Adobe might easily lose some of the Windows customers as well as losing most of the Mac customers.
I'll admit, this is a very interesting take on it. Not really for your niece, but for many people who will want that GUI front end.
HTML 5 is what people are suggesting will take over for Flash. So no, I don't see how this thread has gone off topic. If anything, it's a heated debate right on topic.
How about you try using a functioning browser then? I'm using Firefox on several computers, including Windows Terminal Servers, every day and the Flash plugin has not crashed ONCE in the last couple of years.
That leaves only two choices: Either Safari totally sucks or you are caught in Steve Jobs' "Reality Distortion Field".
It's probably a combination of the two, because Safari 4 performs so poorly that it made me switch to Firefox exclusively on Mac OS X. In my experience, Safari 4 is even worse than Internet Explorer 6. And it doesn't even need a Flash plugin to be so crappy. Apple should have left the browser market to people who actually know what a browser is.
This is sickening,
It makes me really sad to see so many ignorant people who are probably neither developers and don't have a clue about what is really happening.
Here are some pointers from myself (A developer for over 15 years and well versed in Flex, Flash, C++, Objective C, .net, HTML, Python, Pearl, C#)
1: HTML can not touch flash when it comes to user interfaces and if it tried to do any 3D as per the examples floating around the web it fails miserably at it.
2: There is still no standard on HTML video playback and each company is pushing for a different player and most of the players are NOT open standard or Open source.
3: 60% of the banking industry are currently building massive scale applications using Flex.
4: More and more AIR and Flex applications are popping up all over the place.
5: Flex is lets say about 10X easier and more efficient to work with than HTML and looks/behaves the same on every platform.
6: Flash 10.1 Solves CPU issues and brings some hardware acceleration including H.264 and a future revision will bring more support.
7: Flash works very well on other mobile platforms and Flash compiled for IPhone works very well too (I was in beta and we were building stuff but now it's all on hold).
8: Many people are going to loose their jobs.
9: Many great open source projects will have to shut down.
10: Many companies are going to have to restart projects.
11: We are in a ****ing recession and everyone should be helping out.
12: I dare anyone here to build anything like the AIR app I am working on now that will work on every OS + Android and look and feel as cool as what I'm doing in any other language, those of you working in agencies will hear about it very soon
13: Crap developers = Crap Flash apps = Crap CPU usage = Bad Rep but this is not the case for all sites and all adds etc.
14: CPU usage on windows is way lower than on MAC this is because Apple restrict access to low level API's required by Adobe to optimize Flash for the Mac correctly and they have been trying to sort it out but Apple wants no part of it, they prefer performance to be **** on Mac so everyone who has a mac would end up hating Flash. There isn't even hardware acceleration on Mac
Now if anyone is interested in a mac book pro and a new 32GB white Iphone please PM me as I'm in the market for the new Sony Android + Sony SZ laptop.
Really people stop talking rubbish, what apple is doing is very bad, if there was no more competition tomorrow apple would be able to raise it's prices and control every aspect of your gadgets giving you no choice or freedom and that my friends is a very very sad thing.
I for one hope Adobe wins an antitrust for the sake of all the cool open source projects out there or Apple takes a long hard look and cooperates.
Anyway just my 2 cents and lets hope one of your loved ones or children are not dedicated Flash/Flex/Air developers as you are putting their futures at risk too.
you my friend are right on. Finally someone with some sense. Apple is so in the wrong here. Yet they get their fan boy collective to agree no matter what. What are they going to tell us next? that the ipad isn't retarded. ha.