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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite
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I am quite pleased that you enjoyed the video as much as I do. He hits the nail on the head every time. It's very relevant to a situation like this how companies can fail or succeed.
Disgusted at Adobe's decision. I don't want to pay forever in order to access my existing InDesign files.
Unfortunately, the only serious alternative to ID is Quark, and they're no better.
Photoshop, Illustrator: I can access these files in other apps and get most of the same functions.
I'll stick with CS6 until it becomes obsolete, and then look elsewhere.
Unfortunately, the only serious alternative to ID is Quark, and they're no better.
Photoshop, Illustrator: I can access these files in other apps and get most of the same functions.
I'll stick with CS6 until it becomes obsolete, and then look elsewhere.
I'm not a pro so that gives me a lot of options, well more options then a pro who needs features that are not really available anywhere else.
I've said this before, there will be a huge outcry yet, Adobe is under no compulsion to alter its plan. Its not like their customers can change to Adobe's competitors because Creative Suite really doesn't have any major competitors.
Second point is the fact that this is the new world order. MS has been trying to sell subscription based software for years, but because there are competing office suites being sold and not rented they couldn't really embrace it fully.
I think as time goes on, major software companies will be embracing this model. Heck enterprise software already has this subscription based model, we pay an annual fee for the application and we stay current and get support.
I'm not defending it, just pointing out, its not a brand new notion. Personally, I'll be moving on to Pixelmator but then my needs are less then that of a pro
I've said this before, there will be a huge outcry yet, Adobe is under no compulsion to alter its plan. Its not like their customers can change to Adobe's competitors because Creative Suite really doesn't have any major competitors.
Second point is the fact that this is the new world order. MS has been trying to sell subscription based software for years, but because there are competing office suites being sold and not rented they couldn't really embrace it fully.
I think as time goes on, major software companies will be embracing this model. Heck enterprise software already has this subscription based model, we pay an annual fee for the application and we stay current and get support.
I'm not defending it, just pointing out, its not a brand new notion. Personally, I'll be moving on to Pixelmator but then my needs are less then that of a pro
All of a sudden this looks a lot more attractive!
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There are viable alternatives if you really want to do it.
There are viable alternatives if you really want to do it.
The only features I really need are:
Pixel app
Standard brushes/Healing tool at a push
Levels/Curves/Colour adjustment
Layer styles, Drop shadows etc.
Smart objects
Vector shapes/Masks
Save for Web/CMYK support
Page Layout/Vector app
Text/Object styles
Vector shape editing
XML/database driven automatic layouts (Adobe is rubbish for this)
Decent PDF export standards
Web Design app
Text highlighting
Easy menu based CSS class editing and selection
Visual preview
Tabbed pages
File browser
One click upload/download
I don't need 90% of the cheesy effects and bloat that Adobe has. If another developer can give me what I have listed above I will switch in a heartbeat.
Pixel app
Standard brushes/Healing tool at a push
Levels/Curves/Colour adjustment
Layer styles, Drop shadows etc.
Smart objects
Vector shapes/Masks
Save for Web/CMYK support
Page Layout/Vector app
Text/Object styles
Vector shape editing
XML/database driven automatic layouts (Adobe is rubbish for this)
Decent PDF export standards
Web Design app
Text highlighting
Easy menu based CSS class editing and selection
Visual preview
Tabbed pages
File browser
One click upload/download
I don't need 90% of the cheesy effects and bloat that Adobe has. If another developer can give me what I have listed above I will switch in a heartbeat.
The end for the suite - hello straightjacket
... think it out!
I might change profession or have a bad time (financially) or change software or retire or ... But can not open most of MY files anymore (No subscription, no software)
... My grandpa used to simply show me his work ...
Adobe forces us into a model which most users do not want. 4 out of 5 of my colleagues aren't convinced.
I hope for a strong resistance!
It's total control over our desicions.
Zwangsjacke zu Ende gedacht
Wenn ich in ein paar Jahren nicht mehr mit den Adobe Produkten arbeiten möchte oder eine finanziell schwierige Zeit habe oder in Rente gehe oder einen anderen Beruf wähle, kann ich MEINE Dateien nicht mehr öffnen! Kein Abo, keine Software (Mein Opa konnte mir seine Zeichnungen einfach zeigen ...)
Adobe kann das nur so lange machen, wie sich der User gängeln lässt.
Nachdem gut zureden scheinbar nicht funktionierte, versuchen Adobe, uns zu zwingen; in meinem Umkreis finden 4 von 5 Kreativen das Modell nicht überzeugend ... Ich hoffe auf starken Widerstand.
... think it out!
I might change profession or have a bad time (financially) or change software or retire or ... But can not open most of MY files anymore (No subscription, no software)
... My grandpa used to simply show me his work ...
Adobe forces us into a model which most users do not want. 4 out of 5 of my colleagues aren't convinced.
I hope for a strong resistance!
It's total control over our desicions.
Zwangsjacke zu Ende gedacht
Wenn ich in ein paar Jahren nicht mehr mit den Adobe Produkten arbeiten möchte oder eine finanziell schwierige Zeit habe oder in Rente gehe oder einen anderen Beruf wähle, kann ich MEINE Dateien nicht mehr öffnen! Kein Abo, keine Software (Mein Opa konnte mir seine Zeichnungen einfach zeigen ...)
Adobe kann das nur so lange machen, wie sich der User gängeln lässt.
Nachdem gut zureden scheinbar nicht funktionierte, versuchen Adobe, uns zu zwingen; in meinem Umkreis finden 4 von 5 Kreativen das Modell nicht überzeugend ... Ich hoffe auf starken Widerstand.
I used to work for some time in DTP industry, on Photoshop, Pagemaker, Illustrator, sometimes QuarkXpress, not as a pro though. For my home use, I just bought:
1. for image editing - Pixelmator - seems to be a very nice alternative to Photoshop; will explore Acorn, and ColorStrokes.
2.For photo editing and image viewing, free Nikon ViewNX2 is quite powerful and can handle RAW too. It also can automatically import photos. Didn't try new iPhoto as reviews seems to show it lacking. Free Xee is also an image viewer and excellent free JustLooking is great, much better than stock Preview.
3. iDraw for drawing - reminds me of early Illustrator, didn't really try it yet. Sketchbook Express - couldn't figure out its unique and weird for me circular pointer/ruler.
3. iStudio Publisher for layout. Very nice app, probably more powerful than Pagemaker used to be, very easy for layout, lot of templates.
These three apps can do for most of work I used to do on Adobe apps (granted I didn't work on latest in DTP, but essence still there).
Because that worked so well for Freehand when they canned that. Seriously though, it sucks for users of Fireworks.
Regards,
A still-bitter Freehand user
I don't think that's the only path, but let's check back two years from now and see how that worked out.
I'd say solutions like App Store and Mac App Store with low prices and easy installation is already ending mainstream piracy. Without subscriptions models. Give people a good service with reasonable pricing and most will choose that over piracy. Just look at how Itunes Store succeeded.
The days of charging thousands of dollars for software with massive profit is what's coming to an end.
Get skill in the program - academic version. It's $30 a month, not huge.
As for professionals, no one who's any good is out of work at the moment unless they want to be
A Freelance Designers Opinion
To upgrade CS5 to CS6 Design Standard £260.76 + no further charge, EVER!
To use CC for the first year £328.08 (with loyalty discount), second year £562.56 (at current published price).
This is not cheaper or even close to my current costs - Just did a quick straw poll this morning with the companies I freelance for, nobody is happy - they all say they will not subscribe. It's likely that they'll cave in a few years though, when the Mac hardware or Mac OS no longer supports CS6.
Meanwhile, once you are subscribed, Adobe will just keep putting the price up every year while adding a few useless features along the way and you'll have no way to get out of what amounts to a forced contract.
They have a Monopoly in the Design industry (in the UK) so I guess they think they can do this and there is nothing we can do to stop them.
A lot of Mac sales in the UK are into the Design industry and maybe this will stop studios upgrading their Macs too!
To upgrade CS5 to CS6 Design Standard £260.76 + no further charge, EVER!
To use CC for the first year £328.08 (with loyalty discount), second year £562.56 (at current published price).
This is not cheaper or even close to my current costs - Just did a quick straw poll this morning with the companies I freelance for, nobody is happy - they all say they will not subscribe. It's likely that they'll cave in a few years though, when the Mac hardware or Mac OS no longer supports CS6.
Meanwhile, once you are subscribed, Adobe will just keep putting the price up every year while adding a few useless features along the way and you'll have no way to get out of what amounts to a forced contract.
They have a Monopoly in the Design industry (in the UK) so I guess they think they can do this and there is nothing we can do to stop them.
A lot of Mac sales in the UK are into the Design industry and maybe this will stop studios upgrading their Macs too!
Fortunately/unfortunately I'm not in charge of our IT budget so the subscription thing isn't my concern, however, I do oversee our dedicated media facilities and this sounds like it will be an absolute nightmare to me.
Theoretically our general usage computers, which are online and are managed by IT, will be OK. But our media computers, managed by myself, won't be as they are never online. For emphasis, I repeat, they are never online - and they never will be.
Our general usage machines are staff desktop machines and lab machines used for email, browsing and the like. They have to have managed accounts to allow for roaming profiles and accountability in terms of who was doing what online on a specific machine at a specific time. Whilst these have CS on them, because of account restrictions, they do not perform well at all - crashing, hanging, etc. And despite being online, access is not clean because of the proxy and firewall that is being used at our institution so how this will function in terms of phoning home to maintain activation? It will be our IT who will have to manage this, but I'm curious - I know historically we've had problems even connecting for updates but this might be a thing of the past.
As for the media computers... they are completely un-managed as it's the only reliable way we can get Avid to work on them. They are admin password protected, but there are no specific user accounts so no roaming is needed - users connect to a password protected NAS. These are dedicated "standalone" media workstations. Whilst these could technically go online, I will not permit it as I would have to take responsibility for all online activity - this isn't the only reason, but it's the biggest. If I don't want this then they will need specific user accounts and/or management which will introduce support problems for our users and apps. We're an academic institution and managing users and accounts would mean hundreds of accounts, or assuming that these hundreds of students behave and don't do things online that they shouldn't. Never going to happen. So, what does this mean for me and my computers and users? If they aren't online how can I get CC to activate and stay activated?
Theoretically our general usage computers, which are online and are managed by IT, will be OK. But our media computers, managed by myself, won't be as they are never online. For emphasis, I repeat, they are never online - and they never will be.
Our general usage machines are staff desktop machines and lab machines used for email, browsing and the like. They have to have managed accounts to allow for roaming profiles and accountability in terms of who was doing what online on a specific machine at a specific time. Whilst these have CS on them, because of account restrictions, they do not perform well at all - crashing, hanging, etc. And despite being online, access is not clean because of the proxy and firewall that is being used at our institution so how this will function in terms of phoning home to maintain activation? It will be our IT who will have to manage this, but I'm curious - I know historically we've had problems even connecting for updates but this might be a thing of the past.
As for the media computers... they are completely un-managed as it's the only reliable way we can get Avid to work on them. They are admin password protected, but there are no specific user accounts so no roaming is needed - users connect to a password protected NAS. These are dedicated "standalone" media workstations. Whilst these could technically go online, I will not permit it as I would have to take responsibility for all online activity - this isn't the only reason, but it's the biggest. If I don't want this then they will need specific user accounts and/or management which will introduce support problems for our users and apps. We're an academic institution and managing users and accounts would mean hundreds of accounts, or assuming that these hundreds of students behave and don't do things online that they shouldn't. Never going to happen. So, what does this mean for me and my computers and users? If they aren't online how can I get CC to activate and stay activated?
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A friend who works for a big design firm told me that this may either be a huge annoyance or major problem for them because their workstations for video and design work are purposely offline. They just bought a copies of CS 6 and will be keeping those for a long long time.
Absolutely disgusted by Adobe's announcement. It's a real kick in the goolies for CS customers.
Now where did I put my QuarkXpress installer disks?
PS Anyone know where Adobe has hidden their feedback form?
Now where did I put my QuarkXpress installer disks?
PS Anyone know where Adobe has hidden their feedback form?
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Anyone know how to disable Camera Raw?
I only use it because I'm lazy to process my raws in Capture One! If I get rid of this I'll be free from any tie in Photoshop and can keep CS5 for a long long time.
Generally though, I reckon the core software industry is in for a hard time and they know it. That's why they want to secure their income. Most of the core applications that are really useful have already been developed to beyond the level users need and users are not going to stand by and pay through their noses forever for it!@! I think the same is going to happen to consumer IT in general (including smart phones) as well. Once the novelty factor has worn off (which it's already starting to) core consumers won't be willing to pay big bucks for the latest update that has a new snazzy scroll bar or such like!!
IT companies need to be taken down a few pegs (and they will be very soon I reckon). I personally can't wait for it happen so we can get on with using what we know without getting forced into buying unwanted updates.
I only use it because I'm lazy to process my raws in Capture One! If I get rid of this I'll be free from any tie in Photoshop and can keep CS5 for a long long time.
Generally though, I reckon the core software industry is in for a hard time and they know it. That's why they want to secure their income. Most of the core applications that are really useful have already been developed to beyond the level users need and users are not going to stand by and pay through their noses forever for it!@! I think the same is going to happen to consumer IT in general (including smart phones) as well. Once the novelty factor has worn off (which it's already starting to) core consumers won't be willing to pay big bucks for the latest update that has a new snazzy scroll bar or such like!!
IT companies need to be taken down a few pegs (and they will be very soon I reckon). I personally can't wait for it happen so we can get on with using what we know without getting forced into buying unwanted updates.
I have a great new slogan for Adobe:
Adobe Creative Cloud
Because we believe a fool and his money are soon parted.
Adobe Creative Cloud
Because we believe a fool and his money are soon parted.
But when agree to the EULA, you're also agreeing to automatic updates. See:
So while they may not have done it yet, the door is open to them doing so.
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Listen, I don't do Video editing for a living but I work for a company that have a video production dept. The person who was in charge (for more than ten years) was using a "standard" software for video editing I mean he swear by it and all of us believe him. Then he was fired and this young new guy came in and ask for Final Cut. Now the standard is Final Cut.
The old guy used a Standard editing app I don't remember the name now, Adobe Premiere with After Effects.
There are alternative that end up better even when you think they are not.
In my case I design commercial and business needs for identity and presentation. I don't do 3D or Work with Photography as photo enhancing. I used Photoshop for photo retouching and special effects including photo manipulation. I can do that with Pixelmator with my eyes close. Illustrator is the core of every designer. Is where the pencil meets the line art. And iDraw let me do the same. Ask every art/web designer if they use Adobe dreamweaver for web development. They DON'T. and Flash? Really? HTML5 is the new Flash. That's reality. our demand is always mobile.
If you need Adobe for certain things / specific things other than that then I guess you need to sign with the devil then.
One might look back at the purchase of Macromedia and say we should have seen this coming. Eliminate competition to create captive customers, then squeeze those customers who have nowhere to go with an outlandish monthly subscription fee. While the shareholders dance with delight, spin it as piracy prevention.
Yes, as I said in my own post if you read it through, based on MY usage, someone who upgraded with each new release.
The fact remains: Why can't they do both?
But not in their customers
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Except that it stops working when you stop paying...you know: the mafia business model.
Well they gained me as a customer. No way I would've dropped $3000 on CS6. But a few bucks every few months - I can swing that. I'm willing to bet there are more people like me than there are like you and Adobe gains net customers from this.