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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite
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I guess this is one way to combat piracy
Not entirely. As someone who knows assembly language myself, I know that breaking anti-piracy measures is generally pretty simple in concept, and execution isn't too bad either if you're experienced.
If there's still a program that runs on your computer at all, which there presumably would be, as running it off Adobe servers would be very expensive, then people can still crack the protections and allow it to run freely and be redistributed.
I'm not entirely sure of all the details, but I doubt Adobe plans to run this off their servers with some sort of RPC relay to your computer to simply display what's going on. So most likely, this will do little to prevent piracy.
The $29.99 rate is the computer software equivalent of an adjustable rate mortgage- they tease you with an artificially low, fixed rate for a little while in the beginning to lure you in- knowing full well they're gonna make alot more later. No doubt if everyone had to pay $50/ month right off the bat the plan would probably never get off the ground.
That seems to be the most common misconception about this. They're not changing Photoshop, Illustrator, and so on into cloud apps you run out of Chrome. That'd be commercial suicide for Adobe to attempt.
They're still the same programs they've always been. You download them and install them as usual. The only difference now is that they come with a verification check built in that checks on you once a month to see if you've got a valid license.
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The low rate is only for people upgrading from CS3+. Everyone else has to pay $50 right out the gate.
I tell you. Everyone's so busy being righteously indignant, no one's taking the time to just...you know...look up stuff. I mean everything you need to know is right there on the Creative Cloud subscription page. It's not like you have to dig deep into the guts of the interwebs to get even the most basic information about it.
Will be following pixelmator and acorn this year to see how they develop - I love photoshop and illustrator but are really not into the cloud scheme - I it seems expensive for a small company like mine to subscribe.
Right now I use CS 6 and that will bring we through 2013. Maybe I will have a good alternative to photoshop and illustrator OR I have adapted OR Adobe will have a more reasonable price.
Please be welcome to pm alternatives if you got them
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Right now I use CS 6 and that will bring we through 2013. Maybe I will have a good alternative to photoshop and illustrator OR I have adapted OR Adobe will have a more reasonable price.
Please be welcome to pm alternatives if you got them
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I've been an Adobe CC user since it launched last year, and I absolutely love it. No more fretting about whether this year's upgrade is in the cards, no more worrying about compatibility with newer versions of files, just an affordable monthly cost for multiple machines to do exactly what I need them to do.
Now, if they'd get SpeedGrade a bit more ready for streamlined workflows, I'd be pleased as punch.
Now, if they'd get SpeedGrade a bit more ready for streamlined workflows, I'd be pleased as punch.
Adobe...Please,Please,Please
As a extremely long time user of Adobe products, along with being a ardent shareholder, let me say this about that.
The bean counters at Adobe have obviously killed all the creatives who make the software great. And if they manage to alienate most of the creatives who actually buy the software, by making it cloud based only, then people will stop buying it, and the stock will dive, and the bean counter(dogs) will be thrown out. Adobe, hear me now....tread carefully lest you bite the hands that feed you!
As a extremely long time user of Adobe products, along with being a ardent shareholder, let me say this about that.
The bean counters at Adobe have obviously killed all the creatives who make the software great. And if they manage to alienate most of the creatives who actually buy the software, by making it cloud based only, then people will stop buying it, and the stock will dive, and the bean counter(dogs) will be thrown out. Adobe, hear me now....tread carefully lest you bite the hands that feed you!
I'm really happy with Creative Cloud. Having access to the whole suite is nice, and I've started to use After Effects for the first time this past year since getting it. So it became more valuable for me then. But the extra perks, like 20GB of space, TypeKit, and all the other goodies are what make it really special.
CS6 also introduced a timeline in Photoshop. It's amazing, and it's so easy to use. No other photo editing program has that, nor do video editors have something like that with the great tools to go alongside it. I've been using it for the past few weeks, and I LOVE it.
No way am I going to ditch Adobe for a $15 app that doesn't have most of the features I actually use.
CS6 also introduced a timeline in Photoshop. It's amazing, and it's so easy to use. No other photo editing program has that, nor do video editors have something like that with the great tools to go alongside it. I've been using it for the past few weeks, and I LOVE it.
No way am I going to ditch Adobe for a $15 app that doesn't have most of the features I actually use.
True enough. It's a calculated risk by them; they believe they can weather the initial 'storm'. After the uproar has subsided, the Creative Cloud Apps are a more profitable business model, and as has been mentioned before, it should all but eliminate piracy of their software.
WHAT. THE. ****.
Subscriptions are too damn expensive.
Well, you've signed your death certificate Adobe.
Subscriptions are too damn expensive.
Well, you've signed your death certificate Adobe.
Let's say I worked for Adobe and wanted to make YOUR (the "cracker's") life really hard. What I'd do then is put only some small but critical part of the software on Adobe servers. And then I'd update the software on the user's computers almost weekly and every week change the part that is done on the Adobe servers. The other think I'd do push lots of updates so that anything you have that is modified would get over written eventually.
The trouble is doing this would require the user have a full time Internet connection and some people do need to work off line.
I'm a big user of Apple's iWork and it's best feature is iCloud storage. This means my data files (paper's I'm writing, presentations and so on) are accessible for every computer I use and automatically backed up. I don't have to be passing the files between computers.
You guys do know that the apps DO work offline... Right? I was using Photoshop offline in the classroom tonight even. And I often do work offline with no problems. It activates with a username and password, your Adobe ID. The only app that does probably call home is the updater.
Could you imagine how many macs they would sell if they made it mac only!
For now I'm going to stick with 6 and hope some bright spark copy's the adobe features as plugins for 6.
Punish them. Stop upgrading and as others have said abandon the system. It's totally unreasonable. In the UK we pay alot less on monthly subscriptions for pretty much everything Especially phones. This won't fly here. Price is simply too high.
Is it really that bad?
Now don't get me wrong... I'm no Adobe apologist, but I really don't get why everyone is so upset here. You get software on your computer... I have a rather rubbish ADSL2 connection and it will probably take me overnight to download the apps I most use. You then need to check-in once a month to confirm your subscription. I have been on CC for a year now. It's not all been perfect, but I'm pretty happy.
Now price... $50/month or $600/year seems pretty reasonable for software that helps me earn $100K+/year. It would seem a lot of casual PS users are peeved at having to pay $20/month... hell they probably spend more on beer, cigarettes or coffee a month! If you don't like it stick with CS4, but for pro users this will be the best thing Adobe have done and they will develop the products to make them better for everyone who uses them. Believe it or not sceptics, they do have pride in what they do and they do want the best for us. When they cease to do that, not only will we stop supporting them, but so will their creative designers and programmers and their business will cease. Do you really think they are that stupid? I don't.
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Now don't get me wrong... I'm no Adobe apologist, but I really don't get why everyone is so upset here. You get software on your computer... I have a rather rubbish ADSL2 connection and it will probably take me overnight to download the apps I most use. You then need to check-in once a month to confirm your subscription. I have been on CC for a year now. It's not all been perfect, but I'm pretty happy.
Now price... $50/month or $600/year seems pretty reasonable for software that helps me earn $100K+/year. It would seem a lot of casual PS users are peeved at having to pay $20/month... hell they probably spend more on beer, cigarettes or coffee a month! If you don't like it stick with CS4, but for pro users this will be the best thing Adobe have done and they will develop the products to make them better for everyone who uses them. Believe it or not sceptics, they do have pride in what they do and they do want the best for us. When they cease to do that, not only will we stop supporting them, but so will their creative designers and programmers and their business will cease. Do you really think they are that stupid? I don't.
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Yes. It works almost exactly like Apple's "Pages". What makes it "cloud" is that you can store data and setting on Adobe's servers. Then you move to some other random computer (this is licensed) and your data and settings are there.
The bigger change here is really that Adobe will check once a month that you've got a paid up license
But it does mean people can upvote not so helpful posts without the downvoting to even this out. I'd rather upvoting being removed as well so people judge posts based on content and not just it's upvote rating. I've seen a lot of garbage posts here with high upvote rankings.
I see your point. And I agree to a point. I have been using since I was a little child (my first Mac was a 512k, upgraded 128k I believe it was). So I understand your point about long term Mac using. CS6 is a great software package. It is a little bloated and resource heavy. But the content it has is rather unmatched in the industry. I think if there was an alternative, the pros would use it. But there is no alternative that matches it in features.
I stick my by statement that some pros like Apple's pro direction and some don't. But I do think Apple should do a little more then it is on the pro front. I remember jobs first speech returning back to Apple. And he said Apple had two core markets, education and creative professionals. And Apple need to do everything in it's power to keep the creative professionals. A lot more then it is now. Lose this segment of people and it'll be very tough to get them back.
adobe will listen, if the number of creative cloud customers stays low.
now is the time for smaller design app companies to gain market share.
i, for one, would encourage anybody i know to not use this subscription-based software suite.
now is the time for smaller design app companies to gain market share.
i, for one, would encourage anybody i know to not use this subscription-based software suite.
You're more like describing Dropbox instead of iCloud.
iWork's Document on the Cloud feature doesn't make your data files accessible for every computer (e.g. computers without the iWork suite or PCs), of course you meant the computer that *you use*, but this is not exactly the case too because only the app (Pages, Keynote, Numbers) can access the Documents on the Cloud, not even Finder can see those files.
Ridiculous is relative. The master collection of creative suite was over $2000 up front at the normal rate, and the upgrade price depended on how many versions back. This actually offers you more flexibility in some ways. You don't have to keep your licenses up to date in case you go from a normal job back to freelance or something of that sort due to the upfront investment required to buy back in.
If you actually do that kind of work, you wouldn't go 8 months without having to complete a single job. If you do it's time to look for a salaried position or change careers. It comes out more expensive overall, but this is a lot of hand wringing early on. Unless you plan to migrate to alternative software, just stick with whatever version you're using until it becomes clear how this will shake out.
Yeah that's much less crazy. Even if they tried to require 100% internet uptime, I think that would fail. It's just not reasonable as dodgy wifi or local problems could cause problems.
OK ONE LAST TIME....IT DOES NOT RUN THE APPLICATIONS "OFF THE CLOUD" THEY ARE INSTALLED LOCALLY AND ONLY NEED AN INTERNET CONNECTION ONCE PER MONTH.
Also, I am not a professional designer but I have a CC subscription for $30/mo right now. I use PS, Illustrator, Premiere, Acrobat, Lighroom, Indesign and Audition every day...how much would those be on their own? I do make enough $$$ as an amateur to cover the cost.
Furthermore, CC apps get updates and new features before the boxed products get them. CC will allow you to install the software on TWO MACHINES...Windows and OSX at the same time if need be. The boxed product will only run on one OS (Win or OSX, take your pick).
IMO it's a deal.
Yes, I am aware of that. I would expect most anyone in this thread that has gone on Adobe's website would also know, too. Its splashed all over.
Look, as a pro user, this affects what I do for a living and how much it costs me to be able to do my work. I prefer to actually buy my software instead of getting illegal copies because I choose to support great products like Photoshop. However, I also run a business, so the price I have to pay for the tools I use is important. Especially if its going to be a built-in fee for many years to come. Adobe is doing this because they are a business, and with this new subscription program, long term, they are going to make alot more money. But that also directly means that as their customer, I am going to pay more, long term. Does that make me "righteously indignant?"
Don't assume that anyone who is critical is just ignorant.
