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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite

Like many who have posted about this change at Adobe, I am what many would consider a "pro-sumer". I make extensive use of Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver because these are the tools I use to build and maintain a few websites I run. I am a volunteer and am NOT paid to do this so the $600/year subscription fee is totally out of the question.

By Adobe making this change a couple of things are going to happen...

* CS6 will the LAST versions of Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver I will purchase. To bad since I've been an Adobe customer since the mid 90's and have purchased the CS3, CS5 and CS6 upgrades.

* Once Adobe declares that CS6 will not run on a particular version of OS X due to "compatibility issues", then I will no longer upgrade my Macs to the latest versions of OS X.

This has sort of already happened. My main desktop, a 2010 MacPro, still runs Snow Leopard (10.6) and upgrading to Mountain Lion (10.8) won't happen anytime soon. Granted this is more a personal preference and not due to some compatibility issues with CS6 (or other software) and Mtn Lion.
 
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Adobe is shooting themselves in the foot with loyal customers - they are idiots thats for sure. Oh well gives more more an excuse to download the software for free and pay them nothing.
 
The reason Adobe is pressing ahead with this now is because they've had it out for a tear and the uptake has been excellent with a very positive response from those actually using it. as a business that relies on their suite It makes it easier to plan a monthly cost like this that huge one off purchases.

Those saying it won't work aren't getting it, it already works, they already have a huge number of creative cloud subscribers and they are very happy with this. This move is surprising but they already have enough subscribers to make it viable. time to get used to the new world
 
When I went to Adobe.com, the first two sentences begin with the thought "We believe..." and "We believe...". That just sets me off. That's a clever marketing tactic trying to tell you they are passionate about why they do what they do, and you should be too. Adobe should be the LAST company to employ this kind of move as their "belief" is downright shameful and greedy.

On a similar note with companies/people and how they're successful at their core, I HIGHLY recommend watching this 20 minute TED talk. It's quite easily the best one I've heard, and it's worth your time, especially to take a few minutes away from this Adobe garbage. It's called "How great leaders inspire action", and he references companies and people using emotions, belief, and passion to inspire people to do and believe what they believe. Really interesting.

http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html
 

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Loyalty4Life said:
When I went to Adobe.com, the first two sentences begin with the thought "We believe..." and "We believe...". That just sets me off. That's a clever marketing tactic trying to tell you they are passionate about why they do what they do, and you should be too. Adobe should be the LAST company to employ this kind of move as their "belief" is downright shameful and greedy.

On a similar note with companies/people and how they're successful at their core, I HIGHLY recommend watching this 20 minute TED talk. It's quite easily the best one I've heard, and it's worth your time, especially to take a few minutes away from this Adobe garbage. It's called "How great leaders inspire action", and he references companies and people using emotions, belief, and passion to inspire people to do and believe what they believe. Really interesting.

http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3p_QLLJks‎

"This is what we believe. Technology alone is not enough. Faster, thinner, lighter...those are all good things. But when technology gets out of the way, everything becomes more delightful...even magical. That's when you leap forward. That's when you end up with something like this."

I think this ad is excellent though... :p
 
haruhiko said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3p_QLLJks‎

"This is what we believe. Technology alone is not enough. Faster, thinner, lighter...those are all good things. But when technology gets out of the way, everything becomes more delightful...even magical. That's when you leap forward. That's when you end up with something like this."

I think this ad is excellent though... :p
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I agree, and at least Apple isn't changing to a greedy subscription plan that will alienate 60% of their user base.
 
lusky said:
The reason Adobe is pressing ahead with this now is because they've had it out for a tear and the uptake has been excellent with a very positive response from those actually using it. as a business that relies on their suite It makes it easier to plan a monthly cost like this that huge one off purchases.

Those saying it won't work aren't getting it, it already works, they already have a huge number of creative cloud subscribers and they are very happy with this. This move is surprising but they already have enough subscribers to make it viable. time to get used to the new world
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There's only one problem with that claim. The Adobe Creative Suite has been available for purchase to actually own and now this CC is essentially being forced (if you choose to use it of course). No doubt there are some who will like this, but how many more won't like it? Just look at this thread and other sites with people venting about this move by Adobe. This move is not being taken well.

I currently have CS6 and will use it as long as I can. I refuse to use a subscription based service. As it's been said in this thread, the moment you stop paying for the service, the software stops, and you won't be able to access your files anymore. You know they won't be backward compatible with previous versions. That's the deal breaker.

One of several things will happen:

1) This idea will take off by Adobe and others. I hope this is not the case.

2) This will fail by people simply voting with their wallets and not buy into this service and use alternatives. Quark for example is a competitor to InDesign, although it's not as used, but it IS an option. I haven't used Quark in years, so I'm not sure how much it has improved over the years. Adobe will see that their little idea sucked and bring back the boxed version. And perhaps offer the subscription service as well.

3) Related to 2...We might see alternatives get better and become a real threat to Adobe and they will loose their monopoly.

I dunno, I'm just thinking aloud there. But if this holds, Adobe CS6 will be my last Adobe purchase. Of course it depends on how the industry changes and if other apps can be decent enough for pro use. If so, I have no problem learning other programs if the industry allows for it.
 
Gravity said:
What. The. Hell???

I hate this. I'm a 21 year veteran of print design and production... and have used adobe products that entire time. They have no equal!

How can I work from cloud-based software when I have crappy, unreliable internet by AT&T??? My U-verse internet goes down intermittently ALL THE TIME. I can't handle that. I need my software local. This is bad. I would rather pay big bucks for the download that you can OWN and keep LOCAL. This cloud thing is going to take power away from personal computing and turn them all into dumb terminals. Big brother can now control our tools.

Great.
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I don't like it either, but it is installed locally, your files are local and you practically only need internet connection once a week.
In fact it has very little to do with "cloud" or terminals.
It's a subscription model with a bit of extra storage.
 
I think the main problem with all the complaints is that for many users, the applications haven't moved forward that much in the last say, 5 years. But this is just my opinion and my own view of Adobes software.

For example: I've been working on Photoshop 7 before moving to OS X and later with CS 1 till the very day I purchased a computer with no Rosetta on it. Now I got CS 5. What has changed for me over all those years? The logo at the startup.

I am a mostly pro (prosumer, whatever you call it) user. Photoshop gives me what I need while other Applications can not. But it fully gave this to me already in Photoshop 7.

I am not eager to pay for updates which I obviously don't need.
 
I could just about accept this if it was a fraction of the price, but compared to my usual upgrade cycle of 3-4 years (for superficial improvements), this will cost a ridiculous £2250 and at the end of that period I will be left with nothing. Subscription services should be a lot cheaper in the short-term than all-out purchase as Adobe are gaining the benefit of tying you in to their service. They should be rewarding their customer for this liberty they are taking, not kicking them in the teeth as well.

Up until now, if we took on a new member of staff that needed to use the creative suite, we could just buy a new licence instead of an upgrade and give the new person the older version. Now we have to pay a standard amount for everyone who wants to use it. :mad:

We are looking at other options but they all have annoying quirks. The main things I need a better alternative for, are Indesign (Quark is so expensive)... and Dreamweaver. Pixelmator should just about be good enough to replace Photoshop with the new features they are hopefully adding soon.

There is a huge market here, ripe for the taking. Creative Suite/Cloud is bloated, buggy and massively overpriced. A clever software developer could bring out a suite of apps that matched Adobe's key features for a fair price and people would switch to them in droves.

A new take on the problems designers face would be a refreshing change. One thing I would like to see is an Indesign style app that lets you automate the creation of a catalogue from a database. That is a pain to do in Indesign.
 
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Not keen. Good job I don't use photoshop. Although I understand the pain that users will be going through atm. If Office became a subscription only product, I can't imagine I'd be a very happy person.
 
Razeus said:
Some of you people's have crazy math. I've done my own math based on my usage of soley Photoshop CS.

Initial Photoshop CS4 purchase: $699, released October 2008.

Upgrade pricing for Photoshop CS5: $199, April 2010.

Upgrade pricing for Photoshop CS6: $199, released May 2012.

Expected usage, in months, for CS6 for release date: 15 months.

From October 2008, to May 2012, is 44 months. Add in my expected usage of 15 months for CS6, brings me 59 months.

So what I've spent, actually comes to $18.59 (($699+$199+199)/59) per month. Adobe wins by charging me $19.99, but not by much.

So this subscription might be good. Their challenge is to get people over the psychological hurdle of feeling like they have another bill to pay every month.
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You are assuming that you'll upgrade whenever a new version is available. But problem is I DO NOT need to upgrade every time. I purchased CS 3 in 2007, and I only upgraded to CS5.5 in 2012, and I'm confident that CS5.5 will last me another 2 or 3 years.

If I'm forced to use Creative Cloud (assume it's already available in 2007), I would have forked out $19.99 x 77 months (Jan 2007 - May 2013), and I don't even own the software. If I stopped paying, I cannot even launch Photoshop to view my works.

I don't buy that idea.
 
I'm a graphics pro. NO ****ing way am I going subscription based!

Looks like CS6 is where I'm staying (on an old MacPro too :rolleyes: )

Thanks Adobe and Apple for stagnating the graphics industry.
 
catcat2020 said:
You are assuming that you'll upgrade whenever a new version is available. But problem is I DO NOT need to upgrade every time. I purchased CS 3 in 2007, and I only upgraded to CS5.5 in 2012, and I'm confident that CS5.5 will last me another 2 or 3 years.

If I'm forced to use Creative Cloud (assume it's already available in 2007), I would have forked out $19.99 x 77 months (Jan 2007 - May 2013), and I don't even own the software. If I stopped paying, I cannot even launch Photoshop to view my works.

I don't buy that idea.
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That's similar to my upgrade path, I went PS6 > CS3 > CS6. Each upgrade coincided with a change of job. I bought CS6 when I went freelance, if I could have bought CS3 I would have been happy with that.

Adobe have a problem in that the software is pretty mature, there's got to be quite a number of us using PS as a design tool that don't need all the gimmicky stuff that gets added. Honestly, the last new features that I find useful on a daily basis are being able to use more than one colour per text layer, and the ability to organise layers into folders. Hardly the big "wow" features Adobe like to pimp.

How do you sell more upgrades to users like me? You switch to holding my files to ransom and force me to pay in perpetuity, thus eliminating the need to add features I'll consider upgrading for.
 
I guess its not a very popular feeling, but i personally would much rather spend $50 a month for software that makes me that money in 30 minutes or less, yet always will buck if i have to drop $600-1000 on software that i dont REALLY care to upgrade. I'm a graphic designer though and not a consumer. Everything is going the way of subscription plans, if one is not happy with this FUTURE direction, pickup a boxed version of c6 and shuttttuppppppp
 
Loyalty4Life said:
When I went to Adobe.com, the first two sentences begin with the thought "We believe..." and "We believe...". That just sets me off. That's a clever marketing tactic trying to tell you they are passionate about why they do what they do, and you should be too. Adobe should be the LAST company to employ this kind of move as their "belief" is downright shameful and greedy.

On a similar note with companies/people and how they're successful at their core, I HIGHLY recommend watching this 20 minute TED talk. It's quite easily the best one I've heard, and it's worth your time, especially to take a few minutes away from this Adobe garbage. It's called "How great leaders inspire action", and he references companies and people using emotions, belief, and passion to inspire people to do and believe what they believe. Really interesting.

http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html
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I just wanted to say that first and foremost, I'm in total agreement about Sinek's TEDtalk, it's one of the best things I've seen online since I've started seeing things online and it has changed my perception about a lot of companies as well as how I perceive my own work. His examples are pure genius and perfectly illustrate his point. Everyone should watch that video, it's so inspiring and insightful.

I have yet to see a single post, tweet, timeline update by any professional I'm associated with that's anything but pissed at Adobe right now. No one I know, personally and professionally, has any intention to support this. I'm just hoping Adobe gets hurt financially enough so that they realize what a shortsighted, greedy play this was and they revert back to their original release schema.
 
ProMod said:
It's not cloud based software. It runs just like it always has, on your local machine. You download it, install it, and run it like always.

I guess I'm in the minority, but Creative Cloud has been simply awesome for me.
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I see, then whats the point? People can still steal it.
 
I think Adobe are going to see bumper sales of CS6!

I'm on PS5, but will upgrade to PS6 and be done with it. 90% of my editing is done in Aperture anyway, and I'll just stick with PS6 for heavy duty cloning.
 
weblogik said:
I guess its not a very popular feeling, but i personally would much rather spend $50 a month for software that makes me that money in 30 minutes or less...
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If you are doing regular work for external clients you may feel you have money to burn, as you can just overcharge your customers to pay for it, but not everyone uses creative suite in that way. My company uses it to create our own internal systems, websites and marketing and it's quite difficult to quantify the money a new version of CS has made us compared to the very high upgrade costs.

Paying monthly might seem cheaper if you don't put any thought into it, but if you are planning on using it for any length of time it quickly becomes even more expensive with no way of holding back on upgrades costs if your budget tightens.
 
I thought I'd probably just stick with my CS release of PS, but the editable rounded rectangles thing they're only adding to CC would be really handy. :/

Going to wait this out and see if the backlash can persuade them to release standalone versions. I usually skip a version or two as well, so this is terrible news. A lot of people only want one app that does one specific range of tasks, that it would happily perform for years. I can't see any way Adobe won't lose a lot of customers and good will from this move. It's insane.
 
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