I seems insanely expensive to me... Adobe you will lose customers in the long run. I will start looking around - just hate that my 40.000 something images are all imported and sorted in Lightroom 
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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite
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The app is still local on your computer. You just have to sign in everytime you load it up. Like Spotify.
Guess I'll be using the CS6 suite I bought for some time. I don't believe in renting software, and I'm not going to reward their greed.
It is clear there is truly no saving Adobe from the Dark Side now.
Someone really needs to step up and start competing with them. And I don't mean the Photoshop Lite apps people like to talk about here. I mean serious, professional tools.
It is clear there is truly no saving Adobe from the Dark Side now.
Someone really needs to step up and start competing with them. And I don't mean the Photoshop Lite apps people like to talk about here. I mean serious, professional tools.
I seems insanely expensive to me... Adobe you will lose customers in the long run. I will start looking around - just hate that my 40.000 something images are all imported and sorted in Lightroom
Lightroom isn't part of CS.
Wow, it's amazing seeing these giant tech companies doing everything they can to make themselves irrelevant. First Microsoft and now Adobe.
Slowly but surely apps like Pixelmator and Acorn will chip away at Adobe's cash cow, Photoshop.
Sure, this may combat piracy but there will be a whole new generation of designers that come up using other products. In five to ten years there will be no need for Photoshop or Illustrator. This is the beginning of the end for Adobe.
Slowly but surely apps like Pixelmator and Acorn will chip away at Adobe's cash cow, Photoshop.
Sure, this may combat piracy but there will be a whole new generation of designers that come up using other products. In five to ten years there will be no need for Photoshop or Illustrator. This is the beginning of the end for Adobe.
re: combatting piracy
I think this is actually going to be really interesting in the long run, as all of these big companies move to the cloud/subscription model, seeking the mythical "lost revenue due to piracy".
What's ACTUALLY going to happen is this: The people who were buying every new version of the software when it was released will continue to happily pay for the subscriptions, and see little difference other than the ability to download a copy of each version, rather than having to go to the store or order the media online.
Everyone else will move away from using the product, encouraging more competition to spring up. (A lot of people only find these software packages worth paying for on their terms ... meaning buying a copy of the media second-hand in some cases, or only upgrading every few years, or even upgrading somewhat regularly, but only when they find a good discounted price.)
There's also a fair bit of convergence between "pirates" and "legal buyers" that these companies almost never seem to acknowledge. Especially with small businesses, I've often seen where they buy a number of licenses for a product, but over time, more people install it than they really have legal licenses for. Truth is, the company simply can't afford to buy the licenses for everyone who occasionally wants to use the thing -- so they install with the same serial # twice, when that part-timer or intern needs to help edit some of the documents or images. When cloud subscriptions eliminate that flexibility, the companies decide they'll have to use something else, and the developer loses ALL the sales to that business.
I think this is actually going to be really interesting in the long run, as all of these big companies move to the cloud/subscription model, seeking the mythical "lost revenue due to piracy".
What's ACTUALLY going to happen is this: The people who were buying every new version of the software when it was released will continue to happily pay for the subscriptions, and see little difference other than the ability to download a copy of each version, rather than having to go to the store or order the media online.
Everyone else will move away from using the product, encouraging more competition to spring up. (A lot of people only find these software packages worth paying for on their terms ... meaning buying a copy of the media second-hand in some cases, or only upgrading every few years, or even upgrading somewhat regularly, but only when they find a good discounted price.)
There's also a fair bit of convergence between "pirates" and "legal buyers" that these companies almost never seem to acknowledge. Especially with small businesses, I've often seen where they buy a number of licenses for a product, but over time, more people install it than they really have legal licenses for. Truth is, the company simply can't afford to buy the licenses for everyone who occasionally wants to use the thing -- so they install with the same serial # twice, when that part-timer or intern needs to help edit some of the documents or images. When cloud subscriptions eliminate that flexibility, the companies decide they'll have to use something else, and the developer loses ALL the sales to that business.
I guess this is one way to combat piracy
If you purchased the updates every other version (as many people do) it was about $400 every three years (18 month cycle for an update so 36 months for two updates). Approx. $11. a month (36 months). Much better than $50. and you always had an option whether you wanted to get the next version or not.
Then there's the issue of things breaking in newer versions that never get addressed which is why people might decide to stay on an earlier version. I guess that won't be an option either.
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also, i'm still gullible enough to think the addition of Kevin Lynch signals a future CS killer product from Apple
also, i'm still gullible enough to think the addition of Kevin Lynch signals a future CS killer product from Apple
So many misconceptions about Creative Cloud.
The software is NOT cloud-based. You install it just like the current versions.
You do NOT have to be online 24/7. In fact, it will ping the server once per month to check the license. That's it.
The $600 per year is about the same cost of paying for the .X upgrades every other year for the average CS user.
The software is NOT cloud-based. You install it just like the current versions.
You do NOT have to be online 24/7. In fact, it will ping the server once per month to check the license. That's it.
The $600 per year is about the same cost of paying for the .X upgrades every other year for the average CS user.
Excellent. That answers my only concern about the subscription model.
Overall, it actually works out a little better in some ways. For instance, I'll just subscribe to PS for $20 a month. That's $240 a year. It'd take me about two and a half years of subscribing before I'd pay the equivalent of going with a brand new store bought version. Plus I get the added benefit of not having to worry about paying $600 up front if I want to get the latest and greatest features every year. When a new version of PS comes out, I just download it. No one has to skip versions anymore because they can't afford it.
While I would like to see an oldschool standalone version for people who can't stomach the idea of subscribing to software, or don't have a reliable internet connection, I see more advantages than disadvantages going with this. It makes it easier for people to get into PS without resorting to piracy, and it's a good bit cheaper in the long run.
The only thing that'd be better is if someone would actually offer a compelling alternative to PS that matches it feature for features. But since that doesn't seem like it's gonna be happening anytime soon, I guess this is the next best thing.
I'd give it about a week.
Microsoft would get sued to high heaven if they included office with windows (let alone deal with a revenue drop). And... Microsoft already allow businesses to install their products onto designated training machines at no cost.
I thought that piracy of the CS applications has been good for adobe (similar to many that are used in a professional situation). Maybe someone has done some maths, but I doubt the amateur photoshopping masses will pay for a subscription or even a monthly one-off. (I don't think piracy has anything to do with their licensing model change)
I'd really like to believe that would happen, but because it takes so long to learn how to use this kind of software, I think Adobe has a bit of a monopoly on a significant number of users... myself included.
I don't disagree with you that it would take a long time and be very difficult. I do think that with the advances in technology in recent years, it's possible to greatly reduce the learning curve of the software. It might need to be totally re-imagined and take a really amazing person to do it though.
For the time being, I don't have a choice. I need to continue using the creative suite. For now, I'm fine without the cloud version.
In other news, Ford is getting out of the business of making trucks... 'cuz you know, cars are good enough for most people.
In other news, Ford is now only going to sell trucks with indefinite leases. There is no ownership option.
You may be correct about the first few, but the last one, is absolutely wrong. $600/year is insane.
Oh well. Adobe has been opening itself more and more to competition over the year and hopefully that materializes soon. At some point, someone is going to swoop in and start grabbing customers with better, less expensive, less convoluted software.
Ah, I see (software still on your computer)
So this means that some 12 year old will still crack it, but would have to re-crack it every time there is an update, or something like that. Oh those kids. Will really help with keeping businesses from using pirated versions though. Maybe.
So this means that some 12 year old will still crack it, but would have to re-crack it every time there is an update, or something like that. Oh those kids. Will really help with keeping businesses from using pirated versions though. Maybe.
I never upgraded to CS6 because I didn't feel it was worth the upgrade price. I usually only upgrade my Photoshop and Illustrator every 3 years or so. That way I get great value out of the purchase.
If I was to now move to the subscription model I'd be paying a lot more.
1 x Single App cost = £17.98. I'd need two of these as I only need Photoshop and Illustrator.
That means per month I'd be paying £35.96 or £431 per year. That's £1,294.56 for 3 years which is the time I usually waited between upgrades. By comparison my full copy of CS5 only cost about £550 retail. So for me just to get the two apps I use I'm looking at a 3 year increase in price of £744. That's just not worth it to me. I'd much rather pick up a copy of CS6 or move to another software suite.
Sorry Adobe, you lost a customer. And I suspect the only people who will not care about this will be the pirates. From what I understand the software is still client side stuff just it uses an authentication server to monitor your subscription access. I'm willing to bet that will be circumvented and due to the increased pricing many people who would have paid for the offline suite will now turn to piracy as their only alternative.
Quite the misstep I think.
If I was to now move to the subscription model I'd be paying a lot more.
1 x Single App cost = £17.98. I'd need two of these as I only need Photoshop and Illustrator.
That means per month I'd be paying £35.96 or £431 per year. That's £1,294.56 for 3 years which is the time I usually waited between upgrades. By comparison my full copy of CS5 only cost about £550 retail. So for me just to get the two apps I use I'm looking at a 3 year increase in price of £744. That's just not worth it to me. I'd much rather pick up a copy of CS6 or move to another software suite.
Sorry Adobe, you lost a customer. And I suspect the only people who will not care about this will be the pirates. From what I understand the software is still client side stuff just it uses an authentication server to monitor your subscription access. I'm willing to bet that will be circumvented and due to the increased pricing many people who would have paid for the offline suite will now turn to piracy as their only alternative.
Quite the misstep I think.
Yes
Adobe's new "focused team" will be working to stop hacks and cracks at about the same rate as trying to impliment new features.