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Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'

Veri said:
(flvstreamer - streaming client only)
Gnash
(Scaleform - but not open source)
Swfdec
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Gnash supports Flash 7, and a little bit of 8 and 9. Flash 10 is the current version. Which highlights the problem with calling Flash an open standard. Adobe makes whatever changes it wants and releases updates to the specs whenever it wants, so alternative implementations could never be complete or current.
 
Patently false?

Flash kills battery life... period! If my CPU uses substantially more cycles to run a flash video encoded in H.264 than in HTML5, that means the CEO is wrong. Why use Adobe's Flash Player if a more efficient, more open platform exists?

But we must realize this guy is just doing his job. He has to stand up for his company. This is all politics, and in reality, Jobs is probably taking shots with this guy tonight.
 
Oops. If they couldn’t say something a little closer to reality, they shouldn’t have said anything.

A better response would have been to say almost nothing and not draw attention to the specifics. I’d have said: “Like Apple, we have proprietary innovations that we’re proud of and that serve people well every day. And like Apple, we also support open standards. Our relationship with Apple remains strong. We hope Apple’s platforms go in the direction that customers want. Our platforms will for sure!”

Still a smokescreen (you can’t deny the real issues Jobs raised) but at least it’s not blatantly misleading! A dishonest response to an honest and well-thought-out challenge does not look good.
 
Small White Car said:
Well, according to that poster it's all Steve Jobs' fault he doesn't have Flash.

I'm just working on the assumptions he gave me. If it's true, he should be able to find plenty of other non-Apple options out there, right?

If there's not, then that's kind of his problem for saying there are.
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Actually, it wasn't according to that poster; it was a direct quote from Steve Jobs' open letter.
 
It's a software issue.

no wait...

It's a hardware issue.

no wait...

software...

no...
 
Small White Car said:
I consider the lack of Flash a feature. It's one of the reasons I bought the iPhone...I knew I'd be safe here. I made a choice for what I like, but rather than do the same and pick something you like, you'd rather ruin my experience instead.
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I'd be trying to ruin your experience if I tried to force you to use something. But I'm not (although but your argument made me laugh - it might be a parody, in which case thank you for the chuckle). It's your choice to not download absolutely anything on the App Store, and I think that's a great choice. Practice it.

firewood said:
I can't begin to comprehend idiots who don't put their money where their mouth is.
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Thoughts and their expressions advance the world. Money is just an effective management technique. Would you like me to give you a list of excellent but wealth-eschewing scientists and artists throughout the ages, without whom you'd be without the luxuries and beauty of the modern world?
 
Click-To-Flash

Wingsy said:
"...he believes that multi-platform solutions like Adobe's will win out."

Not with me it won't. And everyone I know who has an opinion on this issue thinks Flash is a pile of crap. When I've told people about Click-To-Flash (those who didn't already know), their eyes bug out and they say "Really?!?!", and jump at the first chance they get to install it.
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So true. Thanks to this debacle I installed Click-To-Flash earlier today, minutes after reading about it. Not like me, I usually ponder on these types of things for several days or weeks before installing them.

And boy-oh-boy am I glad I did. I can live with ads (it's what pays for the internet) but the Flash ones are SO annoying. But better still, the cooling fan on my laptop, normally whirring away for 75% of the time, hasn't come on once since.

I'd never realised just HOW BAD Flash is.
 
boyplunder said:
I have a fairly recent Macbook Pro with CS3 on it [Waiting for 5], and all of the other 'usual suspects' you would find on a designer's hard drive. When I launch any of the Adobe CS3 software, my machine slows noticeably.

A few weeks ago I got a bit fed up and bought replacement RAM and a top rated drive, but it still does the same thing. Sometimes I just restart my machine after using CS3 to clean up. I don't notice this with any other software I have, and I have loads.
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This is exactly my experience, too. It seems that Adobe CS3 software is inefficiently programmed. I use it only when I see no other way of doing something.
 
kajitox said:
Also, are they trying to create web standards?
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Apple thinks they own the internet and is pushing HTML5

Adobe thinks they own the internet and is pushing flash

Microsoft thinks they own the internet and started mhtml (which seems to only work well in IE).

Why don't we go to http://www.w3.org/standards/

http://www.w3.org/standards/
Web Design and Applications involve the standards for building and rendering Web pages, including HTML5, CSS, SVG, Ajax, and other technologies for Web Applications (“WebApps”). This section also includes information on how make pages accessible to people with disabilities (WCAG), internationalized, and work on mobile devices.
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edit: HTML5 is listed as a standard. having hard time trying to locate anything about flash being a standard.

LOL Adobe and W3C can't agree on flash.......


http://forums.adobe.com/thread/505622

one message on thread:
Uhh! The code is incorrect but validates fine????



How do you think we - mortals, can understand a single thing when we read such stunning truths....??? Ok, i take a deep breath.....



So, if i get it right, either i convince my client that we CAN ignore those W3C warnings and use the standard Flash insertion, as used by DW



OR



i open my 300's or so Flash files and re-edit them à-la-Satay?????



There MUST be another way other than edit all those Flash files! If not, someone, either at Adobe or at W3C, is not acting very cleverly..... My reading indicates that its a MAJOR problem (Flash vs XHTML 1.0 Strict) and neither Adobe or W3C came up with a simplier solution?



BTW, Flash Satay on A-List-Apart dates fo 2002, isnt a bit old? And isnt it AS2????



Thanks.
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ct2k7 said:
Adobe, just move off the Apple platform. It will hurt initially, but at least it won't hurt in the long run.
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Hurt? Yeah, slitting your wrists will hurt, and after a few minutes it won't hurt any more, because you'll be dead. So technically you're correct.

Adobe gets approx. 50% of its CS5 revenue from Mac users. You've heard the expression "cut off your nose to spite your face"? After hearing Adobe's CEO talk, I certainly wouldn't claim Adobe was too smart to do that, but Adobe's shareholders would have something to say about it if they did.
 
BaldiMac said:
Gnash supports Flash 7, and a little bit of 8 and 9. Flash 10 is the current version. Which highlights the problem with calling Flash an open standard. Adobe makes whatever changes it wants and releases updates to the specs whenever it wants, so alternative implementations could never be complete or current.
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Sigh. The SWF spec is openly available without restrictions.

Now name me one browser with a "complete or current" implementation of W3C standards.
 
jviphone said:
Reply from Steve Jobs:

"Im rubber your glue.."

- Steve Jobs

Sent from my ipad without flash
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Haha VERY NICE! :D

As far as this goes... "Narayen again returned to his claim that Flash is an open standard". SERIOUSLY??? :confused: Talk about a reality distortion field! But what possible definition in the universe is Flash an open standard? :rolleyes:
 
If Flash is "open" then why do I need a plug-in to use / view it?

Plug-ins are so 2000.
 
Veri said:
Jobs is as responsible for the creation of web standards as I am.
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:rolleyes: Apple has introduced many specs for consideration in web standards. The canvas element for example. Or are you saying that Jobs is not in any way responsible for things created by Apple? Or are you saying that you've done more than Apple in this area?

SAPPete said:
Nah, I'd just prefer that I can actually use websites that use flash for content or navigation. I don't particularly care if it makes sense or not that they use flash, I just run across enough websites that do.
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Send a message to the web developer if you'd like to view a website using the iPhone OS.
 
I find amusing that Adobe's CEO doesn't know WTF Flash is and yet, he is praising it. LoL
 
Either this guy is smoking something or he genuinely doesn't have a clue. I'm sure Adobe shareholders have been filled to the brim with confidence.
 
boyplunder said:
I have a fairly recent Macbook Pro with CS3 on it [Waiting for 5], and all of the other 'usual suspects' you would find on a designer's hard drive. When I launch any of the Adobe CS3 software, my machine slows noticeably.

A few weeks ago I got a bit fed up and bought replacement RAM and a top rated drive, but it still does the same thing. Sometimes I just restart my machine after using CS3 to clean up. I don't notice this with any other software I have, and I have loads.
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Probably because Apple prefers to use old hardware.
Apple knows its hardware & ensures its software goes easy on it.
 
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