CS6 came out in 2012, are you saying a company has to support a product from almost a decade ago?
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Adobe Committed to Releasing Photoshop for iPad in 2019, Some Features Won't Be Available at Launch
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CS6 came out in 2012, are you saying a company has to support a product from almost a decade ago?
Adobe discontinued their last stand alone product. Subscription is a different product.
E.g. Microsoft continues to offer stand-alone Office for Mac, so I find this company somewhat more honorable in this context and payed their current standalone.
The people who have gotten involved with the subscription concept are already rowing back, because they realize that they have never had to spend so much money on software before.
By the way: Apple supports its devices (and their customers) as long as possible. Only hardware issues makes them stop supporting it. Of course you can party as a realist, but not all companies treat their customers as vulgarly as Adobe.
On the day Microsoft forces all customers to subscribe, I will switch to Pages etc. But Microsoft isn't as stupid and aggressive about this as Adobe.
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Don't be silly, kid!
It's my money that we lost to Adobe, so please back off!
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They'll probably discuss at the rumored October event. Apple should just send out the invites already....
just saying, if you are fine running 7 year old software, you should be fine with not the newest shiny OS.
I'm sorry you feel software shouldn't be worth purchasing, I personally love all the features and functions adobe has added since CS6. the subscription is actually cheaper to the user in the long run compared to the old model.
Do you remember the lost time in the old days when you tried to hand off a design file but you had to downgrade because the printer hadn't updated yet, then you lost some stuff because the downgrade was wonky so then you had to rework some of the design. yeah, that's kind of not a thing any more as everyone is much more on the same version.
'the subscription is actually cheaper' = WRONG
Subscription was introduced to make more money, not to save customers money.
Adobe tests doubling the price of its Lightroom and Photoshop plan
The Photography plan jumped from $10 to $20 a month
www.theverge.com
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how is it not?
CS6 Master collection which is equivalent to the current subscription was $2,599, the upgrade from CS5 was $899. so upgrades are the best comparable. CC is $50 a month, that's $600 a year.
to summarize, to get the same thing as CC with the old model you would be spending $899 a year, and not actually getting all the same value, because CC has cloud storage, CC Libraries, synced Lightroom libraries, Typekit, and more... so I just don't think "Subcription is robbery!" is a valid claim.
I just want a non-subscription license to Photoshop for desktop. Let me buy it outright!
Agree! Adobe guys and CC promoter like "verniesgarden" won't ever understand us. Let them go, their ship is sinking. I see how many smaller graphic companies are turning away from Adobe in disgust.
Adobe's greedy paradigm shift from that time is well described here:
Adobe’s Software Subscription Model Means You Can’t Own Your Software
If you want certain software, you're going to have to pay up—month after month after month
btw: Science is not marketing
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Beyond pathetic. There will be a new iPad Pro before this s..t comes out that was used to sell the 2018 iPad Pros. And of course it will NEVER be the FULL Photoshop. Just another Photoshop Lite/Elements with another name (and higher subscription. The Adobe Way(R)(TM))
Because they're the "industry standard", or at least that's what the mythos is. They have a customer base locked into their ecosystem. But as far as the "industry" is concerned, you use whatever tools you need to get the job done. There's very little at this point that Affinity Photo can't do compared with Photoshop, and there are several things it does better (i.e.: masking and warping). Adobe at this point might be one of those "too big to fail" companies, but there are certainly decent alternatives for every product they make -- alternatives that don't require monthly payments.
It's kind of shocking how a big software company like Adobe does not seem to be able to deliver anything within a reasonable amount of time.
Lightroom CC on iPad Pro, for example, is a train wreck with tons of missing features compared to its Mac/PC counterpart. They haven't even bothered to get it to display stacks, add panorama merging, add export/print functionality etc. It still has not been updated for iOS 13, even though Lightroom was specifically called out for external drive support in June. Not to mention that their subscription-based MacOS applications are not even 100% compatible with Catalina.
When paying for a subscription service, they should at least get their apps functioning with a new OS on day 1.
Lightroom CC on iPad Pro, for example, is a train wreck with tons of missing features compared to its Mac/PC counterpart. They haven't even bothered to get it to display stacks, add panorama merging, add export/print functionality etc. It still has not been updated for iOS 13, even though Lightroom was specifically called out for external drive support in June. Not to mention that their subscription-based MacOS applications are not even 100% compatible with Catalina.
When paying for a subscription service, they should at least get their apps functioning with a new OS on day 1.
Oh yes. My iPad pro running Affinity can run circles around photoshop on a desktop when doing live warping and brush effects. Its really stunning. And Im talking high res 3000px at 300 DPI.
Taking a look at Affinity now. Does it have a nice workflow from iPhoto to edit to save to iPhoto?
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Have you ever worked for a large software company? There is an urgency at a startup that doesn't exist at a large company. On the flip side, there is a risk aversion at a large company because they know they have millions of users they can't negatively affect.
With all their resources, it's not weird for me as a customer to expect them to deliver stuff within a reasonable amount of time. Especially when you're paying for a subscription, where the exact service you are paying for is that they improve & expand their software. For example, they haven't added a single noteworthy, useful-for-photography, feature to Lightroom CC on iPad in a whole year (go check the changelog).
It's horrible customer service to overpromise and underdeliver with every single product you create, while other software developers do not seem to have any issues adding features to their applications whilst keeping them compatible with a new OS.
If Lightroom CC on iPad is any indication of how fast they will add missing features to Photoshop on iPad, it'll be another 5 years before it's actually worthy to compete with today's alternatives.
This is my take, as well. I bought the iPad Pro several months ago in anticipation of this one tool (and the hope of following it up with a more complete version of Lightroom “on” the iPad). I realize that this is an initial release, but they’ve had to know for a while that it wouldn’t be complete at release. This is sorely disappointing, as I would have purchased a new Surface Pro or waited another year for the next iPad update.
I tried Affinity when I first got the iPad and never really liked the UI. I think I’ll give it another shot with this news.
I tried Affinity when I first got the iPad and never really liked the UI. I think I’ll give it another shot with this news.
But the other side of that coin is software development is a constant series of update, upgrades, improvements, etc. Everything is in flux all the time. Adobe broke with their usual super tight policy of non-disclosure in telling the public about the development of, what is effectively a whole new tool. It’s beyond disappointing that after this much time and many of us buying in in anticipation of it, that it isn’t ready to use in any complete fashion. In software, more than in most other industries, you can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. Otherwise nothing ever gets released.
I wish Apple had bought Adobe years ago. Put an end to this malarkey.
I must be living in a bubble because I've yet to run across another professional designer that prefers using an iPad to their desk or laptop. I can see using it along with one of those but to use it to do all their heavy lifting? Nope. Haven't seen that yet.
There are like 20 different ways to work with .PSD files on an iPad. I don't understand why they have this AND Fresco. I really need a solution for vector images that can open .AI files.
I'm tempted. I am. I don't want a subscription application.
So much so I'm keeping my Macs on 10.14 for as long as I can to keep 32 bit support so I can keep using my PhotoShop PS3.
However... As someone who self publishes Apps for a living I know how hard it is to sustain an income from single purchase software. With subscription you have a steady income to continue the work. With single payments you don't.
That's a problem when you compete head to head with someone who makes more money and has deeper pockets.
You’re forgetting that suite upgrades occurred on a two year cycle. And many users waited longer to upgrade—sometimes only every other version. So the actual cost of ownership was no more than $450 a year, and as little as $225 a year for some. No, the incremental and often gimmicky improvements to the flagship products in CC aren’t worth 33% more.
The entire Affinity suite is not only rock-solid, it's FUN to use. And the money I am no longer spending each month on multiple Adobe CS subscriptions makes things a whole lot nicer, too.
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