I am a designer and I do all my illustration back and forth between my iPad and my Mac. I will use the crap out of this, but honestly, ProCreate already does the basics.
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Adobe Committed to Releasing Photoshop for iPad in 2019, Some Features Won't Be Available at Launch
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I am a designer and I do all my illustration back and forth between my iPad and my Mac. I will use the crap out of this, but honestly, ProCreate already does the basics.
With threads like this, I'd really like to see a show of hands of people who bitch and moan about the Adobe subscription model and then another to see how many are actually professional users that make a living using their products. I have absolutely no problem with the subscription. I'm a freelance designer and it pays for itself with just a few jobs.
Affinity makes fantastic tools and they're perfect for just about anyone so with that and the other choices we have, we all win. Affinity's crushing it but they're still not quite there yet IMO. To the other pros, pro-sumer's and hobbyist users who are pissed off, I totally get it, it IS expensive, and I'm sure I'd be a bit bitter as well if I wasn't using it to make a living.
But the thing is, these are professional tools and that comes with a price. If all you're doing is editing family photos and minor things like that, Photoshop is honestly way more than you need. But having the best is always more fun to have... to me, it's like using an maxed out MacBook Pro to just check emails and Facebook.
Affinity makes fantastic tools and they're perfect for just about anyone so with that and the other choices we have, we all win. Affinity's crushing it but they're still not quite there yet IMO. To the other pros, pro-sumer's and hobbyist users who are pissed off, I totally get it, it IS expensive, and I'm sure I'd be a bit bitter as well if I wasn't using it to make a living.
But the thing is, these are professional tools and that comes with a price. If all you're doing is editing family photos and minor things like that, Photoshop is honestly way more than you need. But having the best is always more fun to have... to me, it's like using an maxed out MacBook Pro to just check emails and Facebook.
Sure, use what works best in your workflow. But saving to .psd is still necessary in many studios/agencies given Adobe’s dominance.
I’d love to have Serif grow and gain more traction, but I suspect once Adobe gets its mobile act together, they’ll dominate that space as well.
apple? this is an adobe app, apple has nothing to do with it.
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I guess all those people using Pixelmator must feel really foolish right now with their baby app.
As far as Adobe worrying about losing people:
Adobe: $9 billion dollars in revenue in 2018
Serif: $16.7 million
Not sure how worried Adobe really is. Don't get me wrong, I own Affinity and like it, as well as that baby app Pixelmator and a subscription to Lightroom (which I use more than anything else). I suspect I'll jump on the Photoshop for iPad bandwagon as well when it is released.
I’ve been using Adobe products professionally for 20 years, but never as my central software. I’m a game designer, so also need a lot of other tools. Autodesk had a similar dominance of 3D modelling, but are even more expensive, and have also gone subscription (3DS Max £220/$195 pm). They are losing customers to Blender, even professional ones, which is free.
Prices may be fine for those who use it for almost everything, but good alternatives have appeared at reasonable prices without subscriptions, and are working their way up the food chain. As they get more support, everyone will be less locked in to the established options.
I’m sticking with CS4, and therefore Mojave, for now.
Apple used to be worth next to nothing 20 years ago and many still considered their product superior. Considering Serif has only been around a handful of years lets not scoff just because Adobe is the behemoth. So was Microsoft and their products annoyed the hell out of millions. Still do. Hah.
Yes, as another example, Blackberry had their highest valuation 2 years after the iPhone came out. Things changed quickly.
Don't know what you mean by 'we'. The masses are not going to move to a 50 dollar app. Photoshop has had these 50 dollar competitors since the early 90s starting with Paint Shop Pro (still exists). They are good photo editors but when you work with large teams and industry standardized workflows and you are all using the same plugins, actions, hand coded scripts, droplets, profiles then you are not going to move to a 50 dollar app that doesn't support these things.
If you are just some person who wants to edit their images on their own or a very small business or a meme maker, use the 50 dollar app if it makes you happy. Just don't go around saying things like 'we all moved to this 50 dollar app' to make yourself look like a revoltionary. It just makes you look cheap and tacky. Especially those guys who were downloading CS6 warez and complaining it doesn't work no more.
Serif was founded in 1987 so it took them 32 years to build up to a $16.7 million company. Read a few Glassdoor reviews on them if you want a little insight into what their employees think of the company management.
You do realise the Affinity suite supports Adobe formats, plugins, brushes etc?
I work in one of the largest post-houses in Sydney, with a sister post-house in L.A. We all use Affinity and have no issue with the projects we out-source to other freelancers/companies. In fact, my boss has used Serif since the 90s and we’ve convinced other design and photography professionals to switch, too.
Quark refused to make native apps for new platforms while still price-gouging its customers (sound familiar?) and they lost 70 per cent of market share in less than 5 years. The low cost, studio link, and ability to work on an iPad is driving more people to Affinity. Adobe shouldn’t get too comfortable.
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Really haven’t... as good it is. y’know professional compatibility
Hmm... except After effects, Illustrator premiere and character animator all really well integrated. So as nice as affinity is, it’s not a full production tool.
Not all of us. Bought both Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer, and recently went back to Adobe CC.
Not even close.
I bought Affinity Photo for my iPad Pro and found bug after bug. This was about two years ago now, but it really dampened my interest. If it’s really solid now, I’ll have to try again.
And Adobe can bite my shiny metal ass. I will NEVER subscribe to the consumer ripoff that is software subscriptions.
Do you subscribe to Netflix or any other subscription service? Do they help you earn a living?
So please don't say such ridiculous internet brainwash things. Apps used to cost many thousands. Master Collection was $2-3K to buy and $1K every 18 months to upgrade. Maya cost $12K only 15 years ago. Software is cheaper than ever, on top of the OS that is free now.
I always used these for cheap though whether it was education prices or through wife’s work (federal govt) where it’s free.
So nope not about to pay a sub. But I dont use photoshop for a living but more of a hobby. I’ll stick with cs6.
My use of Affinity Photo is somewhat limited, though. So I might not be encountering hiccups that might still exist. (Most of my heavy lifting is in Affinity Publisher, with images creating in Clip Studio Paint Pro.) So, someone like yourself using Photo for heavy-duty image manipulation might still find it lacking. That said, it might be worth giving it a second try, though. Good luck!
Netflix. What does that have to do with anything?
How would Netflix help me earn a living?
If you're asking if Photoshop helps me earn a living, I still don't see the point in asking that question. Adobe made plenty of money for decades before this damned subscription fad started, including from me. Whether or not I earn a living from using it is immaterial, irrelevant, and none of your business.
You're clearly the one who's been "brainwashed" if you believe that software costs less due to subscriptions. The math has been done by competent people. The WHOLE REASON for subscription model is to get MORE money out of consumers.
There is nothing brainwashed about using a subscription and the math is so simple that the competency to calculate it is not real high. As always, it depends on your apps, use cases, and how often you upgrade your software.
If something like Affinity photo works for you great, you'll save money. If you use other tools like C1 and upgrade yearly, it costs more than the subscription does. I used Photoshop for years and upgraded every other year, the last time costing me $250. This was more money than the Photography plan now (especially if you get discounts on prepaid cards from Amazon on Black Friday). Not to mention the convenience of always being up to date with the subscription. If you don't upgrade as frequently, don't need things like new lens profiles you can save some money by not getting the subscription. So in some cases, the subscription does not get more money out of customers.
No one NEEDS to upgrade as often as software companies make it seem. The subscription-only model forces the issue. I went many years between upgrades, so the math is obviously in Adobe’s favor when considering consumers like myself. That’s what it’s all about: forcing more consumers onto the regular handout of cash. Instead, it has dumped customers like me into the need for alternatives. Adobe gets more money from people like you, so it doesn’t matter that they lose me... not quite yet, though. Once the alternatives are on par (getting there), more people will do the math and jump ship. Especially corporations with accountants whose goal is to reduce business expenditures.
If you can get by with skipping updates or cheaper alternatives than that is great - for you. But when others buy a new camera or want new features they would need the latest version. I find the price very reasonable for what I get and as evidenced by Adobe's $9 billion dollars in revenue, a lot of others seem to be staying on that ship.
Sorry, but it IS relevant. The Creative Cloud suite is a set of professional applications. They cost money because they're used by people like us to generate money. And there's a lot of us who's entire income is based off these tools. If you're generating income from these, paying a subscription to ALL their software, font's, stock images, mobile apps etc. makes sense and the subscription is built into our budget.
If you're in the business and exchange files on a regular basis (lets say you work at a print shop) keeping up to date is crucially important. If you screw up a job because you're not on the same version as the client and the job comes out wrong, they're not going to cut you a break and laugh it off, they're going to go somewhere else. I appreciate that they update things on a regular basis.
I totally understand your frustration though. A lot of people have used Adobe products for years and then a subscription service is added and you no longer have access. It sucks, I get it. If I wasn't using it for freelance I probably wouldn't have a subscription and would be livid with Adobe as well because these apps are second nature to me at this point. But the reality is that there's a lot of alternatives for just about all their apps that are nearly as good, and for a lot of people, absolutely perfect for their needs. Who knows what will happen in the long run? They might keep their place but a company like Affinity might take over. I think the competition is good for everyone though because everyone from the complete novice to the seasoned pro has a choice for what works best for them and their uses.
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