Sure, Flash would cause crashes and battery problems but many people want it. That and Apple admitting to developing copy/paste and constant software updates shows that Apple is trying to improve it's image after the iPhone 3G problems and criticisms. Seeing what they did with 3G, something that might cause problems and not everyone wants, you'll probably be able to turn flash off if you don't want it.
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Adobe Could Release Flash for iPhone if Apple Approves
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when did apple say they made copy/paste?
Did i miss something?
Nope, the iPhone still doesn't have copy paste.
k, just making sure (i dont care really, tho i think apple should implement it for those who want it)
let's wait for the performance specs
Most flash websites, banners and video are going to run much, much slower on a iPhone. I would imagine that flash video might not even run at all....
Flash players for mobile devices have never worked well, they are very limited and most advanced sites will not function.
-michael
Most flash websites, banners and video are going to run much, much slower on a iPhone. I would imagine that flash video might not even run at all....
Flash players for mobile devices have never worked well, they are very limited and most advanced sites will not function.
-michael
don't get to excited about decent flash games on iphone
Take a look at your activity monitor the next time you are playing a flash game, you will probably notice your macbook at full CPU usage.
Flash games are CPU intensive because they cannot directly use video hardware. The iphone is not going to play anything but a very simple flash game....unless Adobe re-engineers the flash player to use the iphone video hardware...
Take a look at your activity monitor the next time you are playing a flash game, you will probably notice your macbook at full CPU usage.
Flash games are CPU intensive because they cannot directly use video hardware. The iphone is not going to play anything but a very simple flash game....unless Adobe re-engineers the flash player to use the iphone video hardware...
i welcome flash on the iPhone. who doesn't love playing those flash banner ads.
in all honesty, i haven't missed flash at all. but if it'll quell all of the 'no copy/paste - no mms - no flash' complaints by a third then why not. in fact, give the iPhone Flash Lite so everyone gets to see what they've been missing out on on the nokia n95.
in all honesty, i haven't missed flash at all. but if it'll quell all of the 'no copy/paste - no mms - no flash' complaints by a third then why not. in fact, give the iPhone Flash Lite so everyone gets to see what they've been missing out on on the nokia n95.
I can't think of a better word than awesome but if I could I would make one up because that's how wonderful this news could be.
Um, you've contradicted yourself.
Having Flash as a separate iPhone app would be no more efficient or battery-friendly than having it inside Safari. Your comment would make sense if you said you don't want Flash on the iPhone at all. But saying it would be OK as a separate app is illogical -- and would be inconvenient, to boot:
You'd rather be taken to a separate app, each time there's Flash content to be viewed? Then when you're done, you have to close that app, re-launch mobile Safari, then wait for it to reload the page you were viewing previously? No thanks.
A better idea: Flash is built into mobile Safari, and the user can specify via preferences whether he/she wants it enabled. If you opt for it to be disabled, you could also opt to be notified whenever you navigate to a web page that has Flash. If you choose to be notified, a bubble would pop up, asking if you want to enable Flash for just that one page. You tap "yes" (or "no"), and move on. Having to go back and forth between separate apps for Flash content is a ridiculous idea.
Uh, ya
Since it should of been released with the original, users are excited that finally something they have wanted since launch could be coming.
makes sense doesnt it?
How about a warning, "Flash will eat your battery"?
It seems reasonable to let the consumer make the decision if Flash is that important that they will let Flash load or not.
When I go overseas, I turn off data roaming so I don't lose my shirt to data charges when I come back. Every time I need to use data (maps, stock, weather, mail, etc) I get prompted that I need to turn on data roaming. After I am done, I turn it off again, so that mail doesn't keep grabbing mail and the overseas carrier charges me per KB.
Same should go for Flash. By default a flash player should be turned off. When you enter a page that requires flash, a warning should come up asking "Would you like to turn on flash for the page you are entering? Use of Flash may dramatically reduce your battery performance."
You choose yes or no (you're a big kid now).
Meanwhile, the iPhone could display a flashing battery icon reminding you that you are in a high consumptive mode.
As soon as you move out of the page (or minimize safari) the flash player stops (and battery consumption drops to normal).
If you move to a second flash page, the same message comes up, this way you don't leave the iPhone in a high energry burn state. Maybe acknowledging these per-page warnings would be a nuisance, but I would prefer to only activate Flash when needed, and not be shut out of Flash-only web sites.
I'm not a programmer, so it sounds like a simple solution.
It seems reasonable to let the consumer make the decision if Flash is that important that they will let Flash load or not.
When I go overseas, I turn off data roaming so I don't lose my shirt to data charges when I come back. Every time I need to use data (maps, stock, weather, mail, etc) I get prompted that I need to turn on data roaming. After I am done, I turn it off again, so that mail doesn't keep grabbing mail and the overseas carrier charges me per KB.
Same should go for Flash. By default a flash player should be turned off. When you enter a page that requires flash, a warning should come up asking "Would you like to turn on flash for the page you are entering? Use of Flash may dramatically reduce your battery performance."
You choose yes or no (you're a big kid now).
Meanwhile, the iPhone could display a flashing battery icon reminding you that you are in a high consumptive mode.
As soon as you move out of the page (or minimize safari) the flash player stops (and battery consumption drops to normal).
If you move to a second flash page, the same message comes up, this way you don't leave the iPhone in a high energry burn state. Maybe acknowledging these per-page warnings would be a nuisance, but I would prefer to only activate Flash when needed, and not be shut out of Flash-only web sites.
I'm not a programmer, so it sounds like a simple solution.
I didn't say it had copy/paste. I said that they were working on it. I remember reading something from THIS site when someone from Apple announced that they were working on it, it just wasn't a priority for the 2.0 launch.
that announcement wasnt an announcement and in no way said they were even working on it. It stated it wasnt that high on the priorities at the time.
You're missing the point. It would allow those of us who don't want Flash sites running on our iPhones to choose which Flash items we want to view without being forced to view all Flash items on a web page. I don't see the contradiction.
I think it's more that Flash itself doesn't play nice!
Either way, I don't think Flash will die out soon. It has a HUGE developer community (with SWF authoring that goes beyond just Flash itself) and a near-universal installed user base among PCs and Macs. And it really does do some exciting and useful things that cannot be done any other way--not without spending vastly more time (and therefore money).
Hopefully so. Thus far, Apple has not denied us access to Flash on iPhone--Flash on iPhone still doesn't even exist for Apple to reject! This Adobe announcement is still about the future. What Apple HAS rejected, on concept alone (and with good reason) is Flash that runs as poorly as it does on other platforms (mobile platforms included).
I'm missing an important argument from this discussion:
One of the main reasons for Apple not to allow full Flash, is that it will give Apple less control over media content on the iPhone.
With Flash, users could potentially play music, stream audio and video, play games, etcetera.
This would mean new "derivative" markets, that Apple would have no control over, and that potentially compete with their AppStore and some of their business relations (YouTube, Google).
This would especially be true if Flash could somehow be used as a standalone "framework" for iPhone Flash-Apps, because it would then allow developers to completely circumvent the tightly controlled AppStore infrastructure.
I don't care for Flash so much, and would rather that DHTML and the such be used and developed instead.
BTW, I'm very curious to see how mouseover is solved in Flash for the iPhone.
The iPhone needs a mouseover state in Safari too, IMHO.
One of the main reasons for Apple not to allow full Flash, is that it will give Apple less control over media content on the iPhone.
With Flash, users could potentially play music, stream audio and video, play games, etcetera.
This would mean new "derivative" markets, that Apple would have no control over, and that potentially compete with their AppStore and some of their business relations (YouTube, Google).
This would especially be true if Flash could somehow be used as a standalone "framework" for iPhone Flash-Apps, because it would then allow developers to completely circumvent the tightly controlled AppStore infrastructure.
I don't care for Flash so much, and would rather that DHTML and the such be used and developed instead.
BTW, I'm very curious to see how mouseover is solved in Flash for the iPhone.
The iPhone needs a mouseover state in Safari too, IMHO.
Amen, that's why I am rooting for Android and smaller, sleeker, open source iPhones and all the developers that got turned away to go to google.
iPhone pretty cool, not so good 3G, no flash (hello, its the back bone of media streaming, not quick time), and they sell it like the internet in your pocket. NOT. A lot of compeitition is great. I hope it comes on HARD and HEAVY and forces Apple's hand.
Tired of this closed platform.
One way street for music, podcasts, not being able to bring back to computer (unless authorized), not being able to wipe music on the device, non dedicated GPU on all the lower end Apple models.
Let's go ANDROID, let's go windows 7. (shock)
But seriously, time to make it happen Apple.
Flash does open up security, performance, and battery life issues, but at the same time, it's not just for ads or online video.
Ever heard of Flex? It allows developers to quickly build rich internet applications that do have use in business environments. Sure, you could develop an app specifically for the iPhone, but why do that if you could just build a Flex app that runs on anything that runs flash?
Apple shouldn't just automatically rule out flash. It could be useful to some people, and with the option to turn it on or off, it wouldn't be a pain to people who don't want it.
Ever heard of Flex? It allows developers to quickly build rich internet applications that do have use in business environments. Sure, you could develop an app specifically for the iPhone, but why do that if you could just build a Flex app that runs on anything that runs flash?
Apple shouldn't just automatically rule out flash. It could be useful to some people, and with the option to turn it on or off, it wouldn't be a pain to people who don't want it.
Not to sound rude, but who cares what you or any other single person wants? I say make it available and let the PEOPLE decide for themselves whether to ADD it via the app store themselves. You know some of us would like to access sites that only support flash not think that those sites are going to change because Apple says they don't like it.