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you DO KNOW that photoshop is not suited to web graphics work, right? and you DO KNOW that the HTML and JavaScript that Dreamweaver creates is a complete mess, right?

Please, my friend, I totally disagree with your logic which is years old.

I hire, build and work in this industry: to say Photoshop is not suited to web graphics is just plain wrong: it has it's raster niche right in there with Illustrator, Fireworks, and Imageready. They all fulfill a very useful purpose.

So no, you are just plain Wrong in this area.

As far as Dreamweaver goes it gets a bit more complex. Old versions of Dreamweaver were notorious for creating page editor pollution. Dreamweaver 8, with proper preferences set, is a fine tool for small sites that require a comprehensive tool for management, especially with client-side contribute integration.

To use Dreamweaver for dynamic sites is a just a wrong choice. I'll take a CMS system (and do use many) or Object-Oriented system like WebObjects, or Eclipse anyday.

But to cling to 5 year old logic that Dreamweaver makes a mess is just plain old school thinking that will put one in an unemployment line fast. I have hired, then fired, and then have watched developers with this sort of logic get re-hired by large web firms only to be TOLD to use Dreamweaver 8 as a management area for hand-written code: and this is fine.

Want Examples: Overstock Auctions, Engage Thoughtware, Carson Dellosa Publishing, Scholastic, etc, etc, etc.

It is always a bit humorous when an experienced software engineer with php/java/sql experience calls me months later, only to report that they now dance with Dreamweaver. I have no love affair with Dreamweaver, but it DOES have a solid, and USEFUL purpose.
 
Wow

All I can say is WOW. Adobe has done a fantastic job with this latest release, and I've only been viewing the 9 videos at their website. Fantastic! I don't have any direct use for this suite, but I can see that it's going to seriously impact many industries. Seems very well integrated and cleanly-designed. Well worth the wait!
 
Yes Agree

I'll be here to watch the whole thing. Gonna be a lof of fun seeing how much faster everything is. :)

Yes, Multi, Some very big claims being made -- from 60% to 400% faster on Quad Core Mac Pro versus G5 Quad.

Want to see the cast, and the review by Aris or Barefeats. I am sure this will be somewhat true.

And then there is Octo.

I better book a few extra jobs for clients . . .

where's my whiskey?:eek:
 
Link To The Adobe Educational Pricing Grid Page

The educational prices from the Adobe site (in US$):

CS3 Design Premium - $599
CS3 Web Premium - $499
Acrobat 8 Professional - $159
Photoshop CS3 Estended - $299
CS3 Production Premium - $599
CS3 MasteryCollection - $999
CS3 Design Standard - $399
CS3 Web Standard - $399
Dreamweaver CS3 - $199
Illustrator CS3 - $199
Flash CS3 Professional - $249
InDesign CS3 - $199
Photoshop Lightroom - $99
Just added the link above and here. :) The choice list is much more extensive than above.

If you need Web Premium and Production Premium, you don't get In-Design. Looks like the Master Collection (MC) for $999 is the cheapest way to get what you want even if you don't need everything. AlaCarte a few and you're over $1k no matter how you slice it. Even if I was to try and upgrade from my NFR CS1 (which I doubt will work), the cost would be $1,400 for the MC. So the academic MC at $999 is definitely the way I'll be going.
 
Wow, god I can't wait.

I'm on CS (not CS2), and so I didn't get to sample to sweet nectar of CS3 beta on my macbook (though I probably couldn't have used it because of the cursor issues). I had been using Aperture and CS on my 2.0ghz macbook w/ 2GB of ram, but it just churned and churned constantly paging to the HD. Aperture seems to be a memory hog, and CS under rosetta (maybe anything under rosetta) is also a memory hog, so it was a recipe for slowness. In fact, it was so bad I wound up switching to Lightroom, which has worked out OK and is much less of a hog than Aperture (and so reduces my page file churning).

But even still, doing much of anything significant in photoshop CS under rosetta was painful. It "feels" about on par with my old PB1.25ghz (I know it's supposed to be faster on balance, but have you tried to use the liquify tool?). On less important images I would even resort to using Lightroom's cheesy sharpening tool rather than push an image to PS just for sharpening. So even a 50% increase in speed will be very very welcome, and will push me from the realm of barely usable to fully usable. Anything more is gravy.

I can't wait. I full expect that Adobe's CS3 efforts will dominate my face.
 
you DO KNOW that photoshop is not suited to web graphics work, right? and you DO KNOW that the HTML and JavaScript that Dreamweaver creates is a complete mess, right?

That's just . . . strange. A very substantial majority of the web designers I know and/or work with use PS at the very least to mock-up their site designs. And for quite some time, Dreamweaver (at least among my circles) has had the reputation as one of the best of the wysiwyg's out there.

Perhaps I'm uniformed. I a photographer, so I'm not in the best position to speak definitively. But I am surprised by the sweeping generalization that PS "is not suited to web graphics work". Certainly EVERY SINGLE TIME I prepare a photo for web use, I use PS.
 
Looks like its going to be Production Premium and Fireworks for me... I just need an 8-core Mac Pro to run it on. :D
 
Hope the ImageReady File Size Reduction Tech Is In Photoshop Some Easy Way

That's just . . . strange. A very substantial majority of the web designers I know and/or work with use PS at the very least to mock-up their site designs. And for quite some time, Dreamweaver (at least among my circles) has had the reputation as one of the best of the wysiwyg's out there.

Perhaps I'm uniformed. I a photographer, so I'm not in the best position to speak definitively. But I am surprised by the sweeping generalization that PS "is not suited to web graphics work". Certainly EVERY SINGLE TIME I prepare a photo for web use, I use PS.
Absolutely. At the very least we need to reduce the file size with ImageReady, I trust they've put the same file size reduction tech into PS 10 as when it's predecessors had ImageReady inside it.
 
Hmmm, nice... The CS3 Master Collection (£410) at UK academic prices is CHEAPER than the CS3 Web Premium edition (£492). Save 80 quid and get Premiere Pro and After Effects Pro, etc free!
 
Now we'll really be able to determine if Mac Pro sales will kick start .... especially when Apple announces revisions.

Glad to see CS3 finally released :D
 
e...i am using G5 Quad
CS2, Flash 2004....
should I upgrade? will it be faster or slower?
will I be benefited after i paid $1xxx for upgrade?
 
I can't see any problems with the US prices... In the UK if I want the Master Collection I'll have to pay £1,444.08 to upgrade from CS2 and Studio 8. That's $2,835! I could save around $1,400 if I was in the US.

If I wasn't upgrading then the Master Collection would cost me $4,541. How can Adobe POSSIBLY justify that kind of price rise? I'll be seriously considering getting it imported from the US, as even adding on VAT and customs duty it comes nowhere near to UK prices...
 
I can't see any problems with the US prices... In the UK if I want the Master Collection I'll have to pay £1,444.08 to upgrade from CS2 and Studio 8. That's $2,835! I could save around $1,400 if I was in the US.

If I wasn't upgrading then the Master Collection would cost me $4,541. How can Adobe POSSIBLY justify that kind of price rise? I'll be seriously considering getting it imported from the US, as even adding on VAT and customs duty it comes nowhere near to UK prices...

Yeah ... people in our part of the world get ripped off all the time !!!:mad:

FJ
 
There seems relitivly little interest in upgrade pricing.

I am sure most of you guys have older versions of adobe products for most cases you will save a lot of money by get getting the upgrade. All I really ever use is Photoshop so I think it is time for an upgrade. $200 is not that bad of an upgrade price considering I had Photoshop 7 for about 4/5 years.
 
I am sure most of you guys have older versions of adobe products for most cases you will save a lot of money by get getting the upgrade. All I really ever use is Photoshop so I think it is time for an upgrade. $200 is not that bad of an upgrade price considering I had Photoshop 7 for about 4/5 years.

Not sure if you can upgrade from Photoshop 7 to CS3 :confused:

FJ
 
What lapse of judgment at Adobe allowed this clown graphic to head up their CS3 product page:

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/

Does anyone else find it queasy and more than a little creepy or is it just me?

Bad memories of clown when I was a child.

Anyway, I just got an email from Adobe asking me to pre order. At these prices, I will get someone in the US to buy it for me then send it over.
 
Can someone shed some lights on the upgrade policy? I checked up the upgrade eligibility at Adobe web site.

So far, I have: CS2 Standard (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign) and MX2004 Studio (Freehand, Firework, Flash Professional, Dreamweaver).

Adobe's website says I can go for "master collection" upgrade at $1399. Does it mean I can get All of master collection software? Or, do I only get the "upgrades" on those software I currently have under CS2 Standard and MX2004 Studio Pro?

When the upgrade is done, does the old software need to be installed first and then install the new version on top of it? Or, does upgrade software take the confirmation of the existence of the previous software's install CD/DVD and only install from the new software's DVD/CD?
 
£1000 - £2100. I could buy a car for that.

And you have to choose between Photoshop and Illustrator OR Dreamweaver and Flash unless you want the premium editions.

People design for print AND design for web, which Adobe is happily ignoring or blatantly cashing in.
 
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