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Adobe Flash Media Server 4.5 Brings Flash Video Streaming to iOS Devices
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what do most people use flash for? to publish or consume video content. next is games. next is ads. but most flash games are designed for mousing, and id rather not see any flash ads.
so what, specifically, are you suggesting iOS users will be missing out on?
I applaud Adobe. Seems like a good middle ground for websites that want iOS support but HTML5 is good enough to meet their needs at this time.
this isnt geared to nobody websites -- its for enterprise content publishers. people with millions of hits. yes, they will upgrade.
There's no guarantee that they will, IMO, they should just code in HTML5 and be done with it once and for all.
Except then they have to convert their entire video archive to 2 different containers (webm and mp4) and convert their video to VP8 for the WebM version.
This way, they can only upgrade their Flash Media server and serve the same content.
heres something from a few months ago on Xoom and its flash-fail:
http://www.infoworld.com/print/157838
and heres one on your TouchPad:
http://shawnblanc.net/2011/07/hp-touchpad-review/
"I was unable to watch a 720p video on Devour’s home page, but I was able to watch some shorter, lower resolution videos from YouTube and Hulu. I also was unable to watch the latest episode of Put This On without it stuttering and downsamping to a lower resolution. So, while waiting for the episode to buffer on the TouchPad, I pulled out my iPad, navigated to the site, and watched the the show in full-screen at 720p resolution. Stay classy, Flash."
....sounds like maybe your copy is...special? you should alert HP immediately.
My TouchPad isn't special, it has Preware installed and a few homebrew patches to fix HP's dumb default configuration.
Makes all the performance issues vanish and turns the "sluggish" tablet into a very cheap and functional one for 150$.
a few homebrew patches to fix HP's dumb default configuration.
i guess i have a hard time believing that Some Internet Dude's touchpad was fixed via his home brew patches, when none of the global electronics companies the world over have been able to fix their implementations. hmm. going w/ occam's on this one...
You both realise that streaming video is only a very small part of what Flash can do right ?
I bet the Android boys still have plenty of other advantages to their native Flash support, like you know, actually being able to play around on newgrounds or something.
From what I've seen the major advantage is advertising.
Well, have a hard time believing it, the patches are nothing extraordinary. They simply turn down the verbosity level on the logging going on behind the scenes, which is set to something like debug in some instances on the shipping WebOS 3.0.2 and the iptables DROP rules all being logged.
Turning it down to Error fixes much of the sluggishness and a few Homebrew patches on Preware actually do that for you (or you can do it yourself with novaterm and some command line hacking using the SDK/PDK).
So it's not "Some Internet Dude's" patches, it's genuine understanding of the issue and a little homebrew ingenuity to make it simple.
The patches are the following in Preware :
- Muffle System Logging
- Remove Dropped Packet Logging
Then if it's still not fast enough, just install Govnah and overclock it. BTW, none of this requires any hacking. Preware can be installed without rooting/jailbreaking or anything. Simply install it using the HP supported tools in the SDK/PDK.
It's a wonder HP didn't just turn down the logging itself, especially after the 3.0.2 update. The only reason I can think of is that they were still gathering debugging information and hoped no one would notice the sluggishness.
This raises an excellent point.
If this software can go that extra mile, and dynamically transcode the media it serves up between H.264 and WebM, based on the identified user agent of the web browser requesting the content, then it would actually be a major coup in favour of true Web accessibility for all, without requiring any extra effort on the behalf of the web developers. Just throw a video at the media server, and leave it up to the media server to re-encode it on the fly, as necessary, if a particular web browser is H.264-only or WebM-only.
To heck with all the Codec-related politicking that may be going on among all the various web browsers' vendors.
It doesn't ? I could swear I've been playing Actionscript games and watching vector graphic animations since the late 90s using Flash...
Good thing you've now told me it doesn't work.
I think he means it doesnt work very well in OS X, Flash works very well in Windows
I think he means it doesnt work very well in OS X, Flash works very well in Windows
My experience with Flash is mostly Linux based. For quite a long time (prior to version 7 or 8), the Linux Flash player lagged behind the Mac and Windows version too.
I used Linux as a desktop before switching to OS X. Been a Linux desktop junkie since about 1998-1999. No Windows for me!
As can JavaScript and <canvas>.
Again, the same can be said for substantive HTML content.
Both situations are the fault of the developers, not the technology.
::slow clap::
Congrats, you countered one person's experience with another.
As a new owner of a $99 Touchpad I'm actually surprised how Flash works. Maybe before the update it was buggy, but I'd say flash works very well. Easy to go to full screen and not have to worry about any site you visit is nice. I own an iPad as well and I've been hit with the no flash annoyance..though not often...I'd much rather have an option than no option.
I don't understand one person who wouldn't want an option of flash at the very least.
I do like the Youtube easy convert to HTML5 even in embedded video when browsing on the iPad though...I will say HTML5 will start up faster generally, but once i'm about 5 seconds in on flash content on the Touchpad it plays smoothly.
Again, surprisingly smooth.
False - what you consider to be "nice interactive content" or "meaningless animation" is not a universal fact.
Regardless, Not sure how your opinion on the product makes a case against the tool. I can say that vary rarely do websites have a grasp of typography or relationships - that is a judgement on the designer not HTML.
Yep. For instance, it often crashes. Very skilled at it.
Not on phones/tablets. There is no native mouse-over function, a huge part of Flash on "real" computers.I bet the Android boys still have plenty of other advantages to their native Flash support, like you know, actually being able to play around on newgrounds or something.
Can someone send a note to Hulu? Be nice if they upgraded their server functionality some year, now that Adobe has made it possible.
If you read my above post and are a little savvy, don't hesitate to install Preware and the above listed patches btw, really makes the device much smoother, though 3.0.2 fixed a lot of the initial issues.
There's also a few patches to raise the device's sensitivity to touch, as that too is an issue in the default configuration.
I have never had Flash crash on my Mac. The few early crashes I've had on Linux were due to the initial BETA release back when Adobe first released Flash on Linux and the fact I was using Konqueror's NSAPI plugin layer which was quite buggy at first (loading in plugins made for Netscape into Konqueror... not quite what the plugin devs had intended).
I seriously always find it amusing that so many people claim "Flash crashes my computer once per day!". Does it really ? Maybe the problem isn't Flash ? The common point of this always seem to be the Safari crowd. I stay away from Safari like the plague.
sounds like maybe you should not just regurgitate random internet opinions with no real personal experience of your own on the subject.
I have a Galaxy Tab, and use it to see videos my friends in Japan publish to their personal sites - they are flash - it serves that job very well.
Imagine The idea of picking technology based on your own personal needs.
Thanks...I am actually a former owner of a Pre so i'm well versed in preware haha. I haven't loaded it on the touchpad yet...but i'm going to say, how i've used the iPad in our household so far (mostly internet browsing, email facebook, twitter and epicurious) the Touchpad has been pretty awesome esp. for the price. Its a shame HP killed it....so many GOOD things it does...if it just had a bit more polish/consistency it could have really been a great tablet (and app support of course).
Imagine that.
I seldom use Safari except on the iDevices, so that's not it for me. I've viewed Flash-based content about 3 times this year at work, one crash. And that's Windows. It doesn't crash daily at home (OSX SL, Win7 Starter), but I did see the fubar a week ago while one of the kids was playing some game, and it does happen fairly often.
I find both extremists amusing. I have seen far more crashing with Flash than other web-based tech, or anything else, really. (except Win95-Me) But it certainly isn't "every day". Maybe a few times per month or even weekly. Oh, it is better overall since 10.2 or whichever precise update when they finally made the OSX version decent early this year.