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Adobe Launches Flash Player 10.1 Prerelease Build

RazHyena said:
Your words fall on deaf ears. Flash does not work well on OSX, therefore, Flash is a technology that must die. :eek:

Nevermind the fact that is Flash DID die, it would be quickly replaced with another advertising technology that might even be MORE annoying.

FLASH IS DEAD. MS IS DEAD. APPLESAUCE IS DEAD. TOYOTA YARIS IS DEAD.
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Please leave the Yaris out of this :(
 
bengst said:
I'm a Flash(er), an ActionScript developer. And yes, I hate Flash blinking "shoot the ball, boohoo you lose" ads and all anoying ads (not just Flash ads, Javascript too, mind you).

But how can you wish Flash to die? Want to go back to GIF animations? And strip down all YouTube video to .wmv format?
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YouTube already falls back to h.264 when using click2flash. As for animations, that is already changing with HTML5. Much of the Flash animations on the web are annoying to begin with. Flash was usable for a time but I don't want the web to be beholden to a proprietary plugin which has serious performance issues. We becoming more mobile everyday and more people are using laptops. Flash is quite simply a battery life killer because of it's CPU usage. If you go to Apple's website they use no Flash and yet have one of the best looking sites on the web.

bengst said:
There are game sites using Flash as the engine (Facebook, Yahoo! Game, and tons of them). I don't really like server side games like Mafia Wars. So yeah, I develop Flash game on Facebook.
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This is where Flash is best suited but Webkit is currently developing a way to display intensive graphics through accelerated h.264 hardware.

bengst said:
Let's face it, not all Flash are bad. You are judging only by annoying Flash ads and "toomuchflashwebsites"?? Just install ads blocker to whatever browser you use. And please, don't say you don't like to watch YouTube, metacafe, Vimeo, or other video sites. Those sites are ALL using Flash as the video player.
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90% of Flash is used for ads. As for the video sites you mention YouTube already uses h.264, Vimeo is already has plans to make their videos available for the iPhone as well as dailymotion and Brightcove. As for the major network sites, they will eventually move wherever everyone else goes. They are always the slowest to change. Once those major sites realize that their content is not available on the iPhone they will change as others have. That is the power of the ever increasing iPhone market share.


As to your reasoning for an ad blocker, I don't like using them or plugins in general. They also slow down your browser and much of the ads that people have a problem with are Flash ads.
 
So, Adobe provides something, which significantly improves performance across the board, even if hardware acceleration for the Mac is not available.

Then, the chorus from the fanboys starts wailing, predictably, about how all 99 of them hate Flash, don't use Flash, and blame the rest of the world, which uses, and will continue to use, Flash, for being "incompetent," or something....

But really, what part of Anandtech's statement, "But it's up to Apple to expose the appropriate hooks to allow Adobe to (eventually) enable that functionality...," don't you understand?
 
greg400 said:
You're acting as though there are no such things as ad-blocking add-ons for Firefox or even better an adblock that blocks ad's across every browser on your computer: http://glimmerblocker.org/
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That's not my main point. I was saying that if Flash is gone, it will be replaced by something just as grotesque, and you still would have to do ad removal management.

AVM2 is not slow, it's faster than most js engines. AS3 graphics library will kill any canvas implementations out there right now. you can even compile c code to get faster performance.
 
cryonic49 said:
That's not my main point. I was saying that if Flash is gone, it will be replaced by something just as grotesque, and you still would have to do ad removal management.

AVM2 is not slow, it's faster than most js engines. AS3 graphics library will kill any canvas implementations out there right now. you can even compile c code to get faster performance.
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Edited my post before you could see. Respond again with the answer to my question.
 
I want to know why if all I have is a web browser running with 2 or 3 web pages loaded with flash based advertisements open and I try to watch a small low-rez youtube video why my system is at 100% utilization and the video is lagging.

However even without hardware acceleration I can play 4 Quicktime standard definition movies at the same time without any dropped frames and my system doesn't even spike past 50%.

I am VERY afraid of what adobe is going to do if they get access to my GPU.
 
I installed it and my cpu load seems to be ok now but the videos on youtube are not working correct anymore. WTF!!!!! :mad:
 
str1f3 said:
One has nothing to do with the other.
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Yes, they absolutely correlate. When Apple fanboys think another company encroaches on Apple's perfectly designed sytem, they cry foul and insist other companies write their own code.

In this case, another company is turning a blind eye to Apple's perfectly designed system, and the fanboys are crying foul and insisting the other company write code for apple. It's fanboy hypocrisy.

They demand full market support and integration for their product but tell others to piss off for demanding the same thing.
 
RazHyena said:
..TOYOTA YARIS IS DEAD.
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:D hahah lol.

Now let's say Flash IS dead.. the first thing come up closer to Flash would be MS Silverlight. Hey that's another (un)original technology from MS.

zomg! for all people gather here, in this very "mac" forum, wishing Flash to die?

If someone wants to talk about ads, let's talk about ads. Google ads too are annoying, I turn them off. Ads on the iPhone, I disregard them. Ads about Toyota Yaris... uhm.. I reply to it :eek:
 
macUser2007 said:
But really, what part of Anandtech's statement, "But it's up to Apple to expose the appropriate hooks to allow Adobe to (eventually) enable that functionality...," don't you understand?
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Maybe it's the case with osx, but they used the same excuse with linux too? They're either lying or incompetent.
 
Bernd said:
I hate flash ads so flash is disabled on my machine.
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how do you disable flash in safari?

Bernd said:
I refuse to click on flash ads. I hate blinking noisy ads on web sites.
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+1 it's not only that flash sucks it's also how it is used. even if flash was good the way it's mostly used is just digusting.

Bernd said:
I turn flash on only for sites I navigate to to see a specific item/story I then turn it off again.
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do you use a third party software for that?

Bernd said:
I hate the fact with flash ads safari will idle at 20-40% CPU usage with flash on.
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as said before, flash is bad and the people who program it don't make it any better (with some rare exemptions)

Bernd said:
Flash needs to die.
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so true!
 
Bs

QuickTime, VLC, and other software plays H.264 on the Mac just fine. Adobe is being petty/lazy. As for Linux, frequently there are no 'standard' implementations for a particular technology. It's a community, with lots of different ideas on how to implement things. Adobe, pick an H.264 decoder you like and run with that, or write your own friggin decoder yourself. What the heck, you want someone else to do all your work for you?

My gosh, another good reason to say sayonara to Flash - Adobe's ineptitude. I've been surfing Flash-less for about 2 months now, and I love it! Page loads are a bazillion times faster, and CPU cycles don't go through the roof anymore. A slight performance improvement in a new version won't make up for its inherent short comings. Bye bye Flash. :p
 
VoR said:
Maybe it's the case with osx, but they used the same excuse with linux too? They're either lying or incompetent.
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Flash currently either sucks or is non-existent on non-iPhone mobile platforms too (a point the Flashless-iPhone critics always fail to acknowledge).
 
bengst said:
:D hahah lol.

Now let's say Flash IS dead.. the first thing come up closer to Flash would be MS Silverlight. Hey that's another (un)original technology from MS.

zomg! for all people gather here, in this very "mac" forum, wishing Flash to die?

If someone wants to talk about ads, let's talk about ads. Google ads too are annoying, I turn them off. Ads on the iPhone, I disregard them. Ads about Toyota Yaris... uhm.. I reply to it :eek:
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Silverlight is actually good.
 
For all those that complain about intrusive flash ads, what is your opinion on this?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/182298/apples_new_patent_is_patently_crazy.html
In this scheme, once an ad starts running, you'll have to interact with it to prove you've watched it. Worse, the interaction will vary -- the required activity or location of the "clickspot" will change from ad to ad -- which makes them much harder to avoid. As Macworld's Jeff Porten notes:
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I hope that this NEVER becomes real.
 
Fastshutter said:
Yes, they absolutely correlate. When Apple fanboys think another company encroaches on Apple's perfectly designed sytem, they cry foul and insist other companies write their own code.

In this case, another company is turning a blind eye to Apple's perfectly designed system, and the fanboys are crying foul and insisting the other company write code for apple. It's fanboy hypocrisy.

They demand full market support and integration for their product but tell others to piss off for demanding the same thing.
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Well I don't consider myself a fanboy but Palm should grow up and make their own software or use DoubleTwist instead of piggybacking iTunes. It's undignified for a company

As for Adobe, it's in their best interests to push Flash on every platform. This relationship is mutually beneficial for Flash to work as well as possible for OSX.

At this point I no longer care how Flash anymore and just want it gone. I just don't want the net controlled by a plugin that has uneven performance across all platforms. The problems for Flash is that it consumes so much CPU on a desktop that it would it would be 20x worse on a cellphone. People clamor for this on the iPhone and yet complain about battery life. I'd rather have multitasking than Flash.

Funny too. I just installed the beta and was watching Twit Live and the Flash Plugin crashed in Safari.
 
VoR said:
Maybe it's the case with osx, but they used the same excuse with linux too? They're either lying or incompetent.
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MS has one API to use for this called DirectX that allows access to graphics hardware and supports a lot of high level functions in the API so you don't have to write your own code. with linux there are 10 different implementations for everything and none of them work the way you want it to work
 
Frisco said:
Please leave the Yaris out of this :(
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Sorry. It's really a nice car, actually. :p

bengst said:
:D hahah lol.

Now let's say Flash IS dead.. the first thing come up closer to Flash would be MS Silverlight. Hey that's another (un)original technology from MS.

zomg! for all people gather here, in this very "mac" forum, wishing Flash to die?

If someone wants to talk about ads, let's talk about ads. Google ads too are annoying, I turn them off. Ads on the iPhone, I disregard them. Ads about Toyota Yaris... uhm.. I reply to it :eek:
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All the complaints about Flash ads are really lousy reasons to hate on the plugin. It just happens to be convenient. And I'm not saying Adobe doesn't have any share in the plugin's poor performance on OSX. But I'm starting to see that maybe they are caring less about OSX.
 
ChazUK said:
For all those that complain about intrusive flash ads, what is your opinion on this?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/182298/apples_new_patent_is_patently_crazy.html


I hope that this NEVER becomes real.
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Saw that while it was posted on this site's front page. Hopefully it never happens, but maybe it was just a precaution in case they lost against Psystar so that if you run OSX on non Mac hardware you have to look at ads. From what i've heard Microsoft is looking into this as well, Google also with their upcoming OS release. Looks like Linux will be the only one left out if this was to happen.
 
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