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Adobe Launches Flash Player 10.1 Prerelease Build

macUser2007 said:
And I suppose you blame Adobe too, for the iPhone being the only major mobile platform for which Flash 10 is not coming....

Bleh.
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Until it actually makes an appearance, it is vaporware. For all we know, Flash 10 will suck badly on mobile phones.

Besides, many will opt to disable it if it hinders performance and battery life. Until then...
 
NightFox said:
Does Apple in all it's Adobe hating glory not see the irony that one of the most Flash-heavy sites around is the Nike+ site(s) that form the interface for their Nike+/iPod/iPhone integration?
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I LOL'd

Truth of the matter is that Apple just needs to do whatever they need to do so that flash runs flawlessly when I F'n watch a Youtube HD vid.:mad:
 
wolf359design said:
Why I removed Flash Player: Flash 0 day exploit.

See;

http://blog.fireeye.com/research/2009/07/who-is-exploiting-the-flash-0day.html

http://blog.fireeye.com/research/2009/07/who-is-exploiting-the-adobe-flash-0day-part-2.html

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/259425

According to the US Government Flash is a major security risk. And it can not be fixed.
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Did you know that having your computer connected to the internet is possibly the biggest risk (even bigger than Adobe Flash).

Better disconnect for your security. :eek:
 
commander.data said:
H.264 acceleration in Snow Leopard is limited to Quicktime X and even then is only officially supported on the 9400M. OS X has long lack hardware video acceleration, which seems like a pretty big omission given Apple's focus on multimedia creation with iLife. In fact, I'm pretty sure OS 9 actually had hardware MPEG2 acceleration which was removed in OS X. Apple really should provide a common interface for any program to access GPU acceleration just like they do with Core Image for OpenGL accelerated filter effects. Most modern GPUs can accelerate not only H.264, but also MPEG4 and of course MPEG2. And these features shouldn't just be limited to the 9400M being officially supported seeing that even the ATI X1000 series and nVidia 7000 series in early Intel Macs had partial H.264 acceleration.
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Peace said:
What API does Adobe not have access to ?
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Supposedly you can access the GPU acceleration if you use the QuicktimeX libraries under Snow Leopard. I brought it up last time but no one ever provided a link to the developer note on GPU video playback hardware acceleration.

It's annoying to be decoding MPEG-2 on the CPU when every Intel Mac can at least manage that on the GPU. I'll need to install Catalyst 9.11 to test this out under Windows 7. I do have the Flash 10.1 Beta installed and piping via DXVA but the need video driver gives the back end support. I can't notice the difference in usage right now even in HD flash video.

OS 9 did MPEG-2 acceleration as pointed out before.

BRLawyer said:
None, this is just the usual FUD spread by Apple haters...Adobe is simply incompetent or, better yet, in bad faith.
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Care to explain?
 
i dont see what people are complaining about, hulu now uses only 30% cpu and youtube about 35-40% i can barely hear the fans im happy with flash now and its not even a final release yet:D
 
Kat King123 said:
i dont see what people are complaining about, hulu now uses only 30% cpu and youtube about 35-40% i can barely hear the fans im happy with flash now and its not even a final release yet:D
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I can bet that in the final release the CPU usage will be back to "normal". ;)
 
macUser2007 said:
So, Adobe provides something, which significantly improves performance across the board, even if hardware acceleration for the Mac is not available.

Then, the chorus from the fanboys starts wailing, predictably, about how all 99 of them hate Flash, don't use Flash, and blame the rest of the world, which uses, and will continue to use, Flash, for being "incompetent," or something....

But really, what part of Anandtech's statement, "But it's up to Apple to expose the appropriate hooks to allow Adobe to (eventually) enable that functionality...," don't you understand?
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Exactly! They should be bitching to Apple not Adobe. But then they wouldn't be good fangirls now would they?
 
macUser2007 said:
So, Adobe provides something, which significantly improves performance across the board, even if hardware acceleration for the Mac is not available.

Then, the chorus from the fanboys starts wailing, predictably, about how all 99 of them hate Flash, don't use Flash, and blame the rest of the world, which uses, and will continue to use, Flash, for being "incompetent," or something....

But really, what part of Anandtech's statement, "But it's up to Apple to expose the appropriate hooks to allow Adobe to (eventually) enable that functionality...," don't you understand?
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It might be time to look at Silverlight then. :p

It's surprisingly perky and low on the CPU usage under OS X. There just isn't something like DXVA, that I know of, that allows access to the GPU hardware for playback right now.
 
DMann said:
Until it actually makes an appearance, it is vaporware. For all we know, Flash 10 will suck badly on mobile phones.

Besides, many will opt to disable it if it hinders performance and battery life. Until then...
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I would rather have the option of disabling flash and use it when I need it then not have it at all.

I still haven't used Cut & Paste on my iPhone, but I've really needed flash a few times. Why does Steve get to choose what is important for me? The iPhone will never take off as a mainstream business device if Apple won't allow widely used technology on it.
 
Eidorian said:
It might be time to look at Silverlight then. :p

It's surprisingly perky and low on the CPU usage under OS X. There just isn't something like DXVA, that I know of, that allows access to the GPU hardware for playback right now.
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I'm almost never one to recommend a Microsoft product, but if Microsoft can make Silverlight decent on the Mac and Adobe can't be bothered to do the same with Flash...
 
LagunaSol said:
I'm almost never one to recommend a Microsoft product, but if Microsoft can make Silverlight decent on the Mac and Adobe can't be bothered to do the same with Flash...
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I'm just as surprised as you are that Microsoft was able to churn out a decent product with Silverlight on the OS X platform when compared to Flash.
 
Eidorian said:
I'm just as surprised as you are that Microsoft was able to churn out a decent product with Silverlight on the OS X platform when compared to Flash.
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It's a trap. Don't fall for it...

(I'm only half-joking)
 
tkermit said:
It's a trap. Don't fall for it...

(I'm only half-joking)
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Better compression than Flash for streaming video and I don't have to brace for my fans going to full power.

In the few instances I have to use Silverlight video I really do enjoy it compared to Flash. It's what Flash SHOULD BE like under OS X.
 
tkermit said:
It's a trap. Don't fall for it...[/SIZE]
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Yeah, remember when IE for OS X was a great browser (at that time)? Then MS let the thing rot on the vine for years until eventually dumping it in the trash entirely. And I think it's pretty clear that they intentionally ensure that the Mac version of Office sucks worse than the Windows version of Office.

I have my suspicions about Silverlight too... :(
 
Eidorian said:
Better compression than Flash for streaming video and I don't have to brace for my fans going to full power.

In the few instances I have to use Silverlight video I really do enjoy it compared to Flash. It's what Flash SHOULD BE like under OS X.
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Yes. You're right. But why jump out of the frying pan into the fire? I think by now we've all been burnt enough by proprietary technology and its consequences for the marketplace. Videos alone really shouldn't need proprietary plugins anymore in the future.
 
Ted13 said:
Flash's future depends on how successful the iPhone becomes: if it hits market share in the 40~50% range, Flash based websites and web videos will become untenable and the switch over to HTML5 will happen.

IMO that's what Apple is counting on, otherwise they would have used some of that $34 billion in cash they have floating around to buy Adobe, and kill flash themselves.
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LOL! Some here live in a very weird universe, indeed....

Hint: it's only in your head.
 
Fastshutter said:
Yes, they absolutely correlate. When Apple fanboys think another company encroaches on Apple's perfectly designed sytem, they cry foul and insist other companies write their own code.

In this case, another company is turning a blind eye to Apple's perfectly designed system, and the fanboys are crying foul and insisting the other company write code for apple. It's fanboy hypocrisy.

They demand full market support and integration for their product but tell others to piss off for demanding the same thing.
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+1
 
LagunaSol said:
Yeah, remember when IE for OS X was a great browser (at that time)? Then MS let the thing rot on the vine for years until eventually dumping it in the trash entirely. And I think it's pretty clear that they intentionally ensure that the Mac version of Office sucks worse than the Windows version of Office.

I have my suspicions about Silverlight too... :(
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tkermit said:
Yes. You're right. But why jump out of the frying pan into the fire? I think by now we've all been burnt enough by proprietary technology and its consequences for the marketplace. Videos alone really shouldn't need proprietary plugins anymore in the future.
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It seems to be alive enough to keep getting updates for Windows and OS X. Now if it just had a little more proliferation beyond Microsoft's own website.
 
PeterQVenkman said:
The sad truth is that many companies, government agencies, and ridiculous bloated corporations are hard locked into old browsers (they even run XP still, like 70% of the windows world) which do not support HTML5. For now, Flash has significant use for these companies in e-learning and video capabilities.

And the flash haters can complain about flash ads (who doesn't hate ads? ;) ), but if flash is gone, you'll just start seeing HTML5 ads that do the exact same thing. Or sliverlight ads. Or whatever. Flash is just a platform for something you hate: crappy ads. The death of flash won't bring online advertising down with it.

P.s.- the HTML5 video on youtube someone posted was awesome, but I liked the content of the demo video even more: a recording real time 3d built into the browser! Cool stuff!






And 90% of all internet statistics are made up. ;) You guys both have your points, and perhaps you hate flash, but you can't agree on your stats for hating it. Are you guys secretly US Senators or representatives? ;)



Flash plays back h264 encoded videos. It has been able to do that since at least 2007.
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:9:Update:H.264
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