Adobe: Mac OS X 10.6.4 Carries Outdated Flash Player

[gprovida]

Holding the Platform Hostage

Apple is looking to avoid the fact that in order to test the newest final version of Flash it would have to delay release of OS update that supports other important bugs as well as iOS 4 device and application compatibility. It would also be required to delay release of Mac Mini!

I think is is a good example of why Apple is leery of 3rd Party platforms, apps, frameworks, etc. governing the evolution of the MacOS and iOS. Apple can't get the Genie back into the bottle on MacOS, but it doesn't need to be the destiny for iOS.

 

[Consultant]

But Apple is responsible for not including old versions of Flash that overwrite the new ones we just downloaded a week ago. If they're going to include Flash it should be the latest version, otherwise don't overwrite it. This is totally Apple's mea culpa, and it's not the first time. No one wants Flash to die more than me, but this isn't Adobe's fail, and they're not crying like some of the Apple fanbois are saying. They're simply informing users that their Flash is now out of date, thanks to Apple.

It does NOT override newer versions.

 

[deviant]

But Apple is responsible for not including old versions of Flash that overwrite the new ones we just downloaded a week ago. If they're going to include Flash it should be the latest version, otherwise don't overwrite it. This is totally Apple's mea culpa, and it's not the first time. No one wants Flash to die more than me, but this isn't Adobe's fail, and they're not crying like some of the Apple fanbois are saying. They're simply informing users that their Flash is now out of date, thanks to Apple.

tragic ,tragic!!! we will all die,we have 10.0 and not 10.1 version.cmon man,it sucked since 1.0 or whatever it was.what's the difference? oh pleeeeeaaase.

 

[Consultant]

The new title should be...

Adobe: Mac OS X 10.6.4 Carries NO Flash Player

I think you meant to say: 10.6.5.

 

[jtara]

LOL, I installed the OS upgrade, and I also have an outdated QuickTime! (At least for Firefox...) I have 7.6.3 and the latest is 7.6.6. Apple didn't even update their own plugin?

Arggh! No. QuickTime 7.6.6 appears to be only for Leopard, not Snow Leopard? The download says only through 10.5.8.

Argggh, again! I see Snow Leopard comes with QuickTime X. But Firefox has a QuickTime 7 plugin. So, I need QuickTime 7 for Firefox? Should I update Quicktime 7? Real confused...

OK, figured it out, it was not an "easy" Google search... For some reason, Firefox reports the wrong version of the plugin, even though it HAS been updated. The fix is to quit all browsers, move the plugin out of /Library/Internet Plug-Ins temporarily, restart Firefox, quit Firefox, move the plugin back into /Library/Internet Plug-Ins. Now Firefox will report the current version 7.6.6. (Assuming that is what you have, which you should if you installed it from the DVD and you installed subsequent updates...)

While Flash 10.1 may come with Safari 5 downloaded as a stand-alone, it's definitely not in the OS update that also does include Safari 5...

 

[Peace]

I think you meant to say: 10.7.0.

Fixed that for you.

 

[kkat69]

why even include it in an OS update in the first place?

+1 to this.

Personally I don't understand why Adobe is crying about this. Released it 5 days before the OS update so yah, duh, not enough time to test. Otherwise Apple would push the update again.

I'd rather Apple NOT include Flash in the updates.

 

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

It does NOT override newer versions.

It doesn't overwrite the new ones we just downloaded a week ago. I am still using 10.1

Yeah, I noticed that right after I hit "submit." My bad. Still, Adobe isn't complaining. They're simply informing users that they may need to update their Flash. That's it. It's amusing the responses in here trying to portray Adobe as whining. I'm not Adobe fan, but let's state what it is: a helpful reminder.

tragic ,tragic!!! we will all die,we have 10.0 and not 10.1 version.cmon man,it sucked since 1.0 or whatever it was.what's the difference? oh pleeeeeaaase.

Was there a point, or some coherent response at all, in there?

 

[Cynicalone]

So does this downgrade Flash if you already had 10.1? (Not at home so can't check for myself)

No I'm still running 10.1 after the update.

 

[trule]

page one because? Oh that's right, more news more traffic more revenue.

pointless

 

[HLdan]

why even include it in an OS update in the first place?

Thank you, I don't know why this even makes news anyway. Just like on Windows, go download your own software. We don't need Apple to baby us by including Flash drivers when we can get it ourselves.

 

[Jensen G]

It would be irresponsible of Apple to include a 3rd party product released 5 days prior to their own update.

If you're going to include a 3rd party product in your release, you'd better test the hell out of it, to ensure it doesn't cause any issues.

If Flash Player were to cause issues with Apple's release, who are people going to blame? Not Adobe...

YES, agree 100%. Apple included the older version of Flash because that was the version they had fully tested. It's not Apple's responsibility to delay their OS update just because Adobe releases a new version of Flash just to make sure that it doesn't hose the system....Apple is in the right here, and it's not Apple job to make sure that people have the latest version of Flash, either. Why don't they include upgrades to all my other programs while they're at it?

 

[nagromme]

Most of Apple’s competitors seem to be happy with the general public thinking, “Some words I don’t understand at all somehow confirm that Apple is evil in ways I don’t understand and which may not be real—but I will hop on the bandwagon and be angry at Apple anyway."

 

[deviant]

Yeah, I noticed that right after I hit "submit." My bad. Still, Adobe isn't complaining. They're simply informing users that they may need to update their Flash. That's it. It's amusing the responses in here trying to portray Adobe as whining. I'm not Adobe fan, but let's state what it is: a helpful reminder.



Was there a point, or some coherent response at all, in there?

should i buy a sarcasm sign ?

 

[Consultant]

Yeah, I noticed that right after I hit "submit." My bad. Still, Adobe isn't complaining. They're simply informing users that they may need to update their Flash. That's it. It's amusing the responses in here trying to portray Adobe as whining. I'm not Adobe fan, but let's state what it is: a helpful reminder.

Was there a point, or some coherent response at all, in there?

Here's a helpful reminder:

Adobe Flash opens users to a number of known security risks. Users should remove Flash or block it as much as possible.

 

[bikemonkey]

To all those people questioning whether Apple should be including Flash in the point releases, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Don't get me wrong, I hate Flash, but I appreciate the Mac OS for the fact that I don't have to go searching for custom plugins and drivers. Sure, this method has its drawbacks, but if Flash isn't included with the OS updates then, by that logic, neither should camera support and other third party device drivers.

 

[lilo777]

Maybe it's better for Apple to NOT include Flash in its OS updates?

Keep crying Adobe.

Plus, any software developer would know not to include a brand new 3rd party software with a release that's tested for months. Wait, so Adobe's director of security has NO CLUE about software development?

BTW, Apple's installer is reported to not downgrade your Flash if you got newer installed, so what's the point of Adobe crying? So Apple OS X update upgrades older versions of Flash, reducing load of Adobe's server, and Adobe complains?

Adobe is simply warning users to upgrade to the latest version of their player which fixes some security vulnerabilities. Apparently you have a problem with that. I wonder why? Adobe is simply being responsible here while you are simply being an Apple fanboy.

Here's a helpful reminder:

Adobe Flash opens users to a number of known security risks. Users should remove Flash or block it as much as possible.

Name one such vulnerability, would you? You will not because you are just trolling.

 

[Peace]

To all those people questioning whether Apple should be including Flash in the point releases, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Don't get me wrong, I hate Flash, but I appreciate the Mac OS for the fact that I don't have to go searching for custom plugins and drivers. Sure, this method has its drawbacks, but if Flash isn't included with the OS updates then, by that logic, neither should camera support and other third party device drivers.

This.

Adobe has the mindset that it's flash player is supposed to be on ALL operating systems because it is the standard.

 

[Stella]

If Apple are bundling Flash, then it is up to Apple to supply the latest and greatest stable version - given enough time to test.

 

[Consultant]

To all those people questioning whether Apple should be including Flash in the point releases, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Don't get me wrong, I hate Flash, but I appreciate the Mac OS for the fact that I don't have to go searching for custom plugins and drivers. Sure, this method has its drawbacks, but if Flash isn't included with the OS updates then, by that logic, neither should camera support and other third party device drivers.

When you do a clean install of windows (not sure about w7, but true with all recent versions) you need to download Flash yourself.

The point is, Apple provides something that helps Adobe, and Adobe complains.

 

[deviant]

Adobe is simply warning users to upgrade to the latest version of their player which fixes some security vulnerabilities. Apparently you have a problem with that. I wonder why? Adobe is simply being responsible here while you are simply being an Apple fanboy.

adobe isn't SIMPLY warning users.we all know what adobe is doing.don't be a baby.

 

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

Here's a helpful reminder:

Adobe Flash opens users to a number of known security risks. Users should remove Flash or block it as much as possible.

I absolutely agree with this. I hate Flash and want it to die as much as the next person. But that doesn't mean we should take everything Adobe says as an attack or whining. They were correct when they said the update included an older version of Flash (even if it didn't overwrite) and if you didn't already you should update it. It might not be Apple's responsibility to keep your Flash up to date, but that's not what Adobe said. Their exact words were, "10.6.4 update for Mac OS X includes Flash Player, but not the latest version," which is a simple, inoffensive statement, and a reminder to update. Flash is still necessary to view many sites, so it's the user's own choice to disable it or not.

 

[saxon48]

Oh Adobe... *facepalm*

I'm not bothering to go with the official 10.1 release, I'm sticking with the Gala version.

 

[Peace]

If Apple are bundling Flash, then it is up to Apple to supply the latest and greatest stable version - given enough time to test.

Can you explain to me why in Windows sometimes I visit a site that uses Flash and the site tells me the Flash plug-in is out of date and the new one should be installed ? Wouldn't that be the responsibility of Microsoft ?

 

[evansls]

it's normal to not introduce new code...

as someone who works in an IT department who works with scheduled code deadlines, testing, code review, etc, i'm sure it wasn't included, because it didn't make their code cut of deadline.