Ok I finally figured out why everyone was hating. I did not see its a self contained window, basically like how Windows CS is like. Which to me is not practical because are you not loosing vertical real estate having a tool bar?
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Adobe Photoshop CS4 Interface and Screenshots
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That and the palette locations are junk. The thin toolbar in CS3 is much more appealing and the tabbed palettes on the side are disgusting. They do mimic InDesign a bit but most users work differently when running the apps. CS3's UI is by far the most efficient UI they have created. This from an extensive user of PS6 and every version since.
I agree that lot's of flashy colors would be a bad idea, but I was just wondering why the gray had to be so dark and heavy. I have my OS appearance set to graphite. My PS CS3 is pretty much all gray *it's just lighter.
Will CS4 install with a simple drag and drop? Probably not. Will CS5? When will Adobe finally embrace all that is Cocoa and native to OS X? Are they still waiting to see if OS X is an Apple fad? Apple purchased NeXT in 1996. OS X came out in 2001. The intel switch started in 2006 and was completed in 2007. Until Adobe makes their apps first class OS X Cocoa drag and drop citizens, I'll pass.
OK, let's talk UI...
Exhibit 1 - CS4
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/06/22/173615-macstonecs4.jpg
Exhibit 2 - Pixelmator
http://www.pixelmator.com/i/screen2.jpg
Which app looks like it was designed within the last year or so? Pixelmator may need more features, but if we're talking UI, it's pretty apparent which company is moving forward and which is stagnating.
Exhibit 1 - CS4
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/06/22/173615-macstonecs4.jpg
Exhibit 2 - Pixelmator
http://www.pixelmator.com/i/screen2.jpg
Which app looks like it was designed within the last year or so? Pixelmator may need more features, but if we're talking UI, it's pretty apparent which company is moving forward and which is stagnating.
That Pixelmator screenshot isn't what I would use to make the argument. It really looks like nothing more than a garish Cocoa UI demo. After looking at those two pictures, I'd never consider Pixelmator, but I've used it and it's a decent app worth using if you can live within its limitations. The screenshot of CS4 looks like it was made by someone who knew you'd be staring at the screen all day without wanting to rip your eyeballs out.
I'm not convinced I like the new CS4 GUI, but if I had to chose based on those screenshots, CS4 would wins hands down.
That new UI change looks pretty retro, and NOT in a good way....
The only thing I'm pretty happy about is that there's now that gray screen behind the program - I was used to having that in Windows, and I'm glad it will at least be an option for Mac.
-Bryan
The only thing I'm pretty happy about is that there's now that gray screen behind the program - I was used to having that in Windows, and I'm glad it will at least be an option for Mac.
-Bryan
I agree, but Pixelmator couldn't keep up with Photoshop even if it had a good portion of it's features. Even comparing it to CS or CS2, Pixelmator is just too limited.
As far as ALL Adobe apps go, there is no way anyone in the creative field could live without using any of the apps. There are alternatives, but you will still be using a few apps.
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I appreciate Adobe trying to integrate the GUI. If they do something like Lightroom's interface, then I would be happy. For all those who are upset, the article did mention that you could go back to the current (old) interface.
The new interface will tend to keep things organized and help to increase the workflow due to the tools not being randomly spread around the desktop.
I appreciate Adobe trying to integrate the GUI. If they do something like Lightroom's interface, then I would be happy. For all those who are upset, the article did mention that you could go back to the current (old) interface.
The new interface will tend to keep things organized and help to increase the workflow due to the tools not being randomly spread around the desktop.
oh wow thank you! But, if you look at the list headers, they are still different then the ones in iTunes.
You still don't have to upgrade though. I think people that don't like the interface need to show Adobe what's up. I'm not going to buy it, and hopefully they'll get the message.
I don't get the idea that you use Photoshop often or very seriously from what you've written. Wouldn't Elements be better for your needs?
And also, you can't never entirely go back to an "old" interface, and who knows how long they will maintain the old interface? I don't want to take the chance.
Oh, trust me, I will be happy with CS3 if the UI looks like this. I am extremely happy with CS3, as compared to any other version of PS it's by far the easiest and most streamlined. I can stick with it for years if need be.
I agree. Anyone that claims there is an issue with PS current UI just hasn't been using the app that much. Comparing it to Lightroom is a mistake, since both apps aren't even related in their basics.
Most Adobe apps have the same basic look because they are used for content creation, not organization, tweaking, and export. Combining the UI's just wouldn't be as effective for either app.
Now the UI in Photoshop Elements works because it's simple and sweet. I am surprised how it takes the best image editing of PS and puts it into an uber simple, uber compact app. But there are a lot of tools taken out, and having a UI based on that may work, but may become confusing for some if all the tools are hidden.
I'm not sure if i am really a fan of this new PS4 interface. It looks a bit clunky to me. I admit I had a hard time getting used to CS3 and this may again be the case here, but the more I have used CS3, the more I like this current look versus the CS4 version. I doubt I'll be upgrading anyway as it won't be 64-bit for the Mac with this version and CS3 does what I need it to just fine.
Same here. I upgraded from CS2 mainly because I had an Intel machine, and PS Extended add tones of new features over the standard version or CS2. If it weren't for the lack of UB i would have stayed with CS2.
Since CS4 isn't looking to be 64-Bit or add drastically new features there's a chance I will stay with what I have until it gets 64 bit.
What is so obvious here is that those ranting most about the new interface don't actually know how their current software properly. Just like many of the PS feature requests on Scott Kelby's recent blog was for stuff already in PS. And as the new UI is optional why even bother to whinge?
Tip of the Day for those who want to access your desktop quickly - F11 will get you there or you can asign a mouse button to do same. Besides if one is that concerned about speed, cluttering your desktop impacts on PS performance. Surpringly so.
If people had actually tried the new UI and not liked it fair enough. But you're like restaurant crtics writing food reviews after seeing a photo of sign outside.
If it's any consolation the Windows version is also markedly different from the Windows UI too, but has better use of screen real estate than is possible on the Mac.
Tip of the Day for those who want to access your desktop quickly - F11 will get you there or you can asign a mouse button to do same. Besides if one is that concerned about speed, cluttering your desktop impacts on PS performance. Surpringly so.
If people had actually tried the new UI and not liked it fair enough. But you're like restaurant crtics writing food reviews after seeing a photo of sign outside.
If it's any consolation the Windows version is also markedly different from the Windows UI too, but has better use of screen real estate than is possible on the Mac.
CS4 interface
I think it looks ugly, that new interface and they should really try to incorporate consistency in their CS programs. Some commands in Illustrator would be VERY handy to have in Photoshop and Indesign and vice versa.
Stop worrying too much about how it looks, functionality comes with the respective functions in the basics of the programs...and if it is supposed to be a Suite, than I think they should definitely pay more attention to this consistency issue!!
I think it looks ugly, that new interface and they should really try to incorporate consistency in their CS programs. Some commands in Illustrator would be VERY handy to have in Photoshop and Indesign and vice versa.
Stop worrying too much about how it looks, functionality comes with the respective functions in the basics of the programs...and if it is supposed to be a Suite, than I think they should definitely pay more attention to this consistency issue!!
I agree somewhat. We are commenting on how software engineers program apps that they may not use extensively, change a much improved and working interface, then claim that it helps in workflows that they may have never utilized.
If Apple changed the UI of FCP or Motion suddenly and made it completely different everyone in the video world would be in a fury.
Going from PS7 to PS10 (CS3) the UI improved, and improved, and streamlined and improved.
As for the analogy, it's more like we're restaurant critics and we're writing bad reviews of the place based on photos that we see of the food, and people gagging in the background, and a cockroach crawling underneath the steak.
Not to pick a fight, but this is hypocritical based on what you said. Anyone whining about something they never used is the same as someone giving praise about it.
Complete and utter nonsense. One of the most pathetic things I have heard regarding the much improved interface. The only fools gagging are the blinkered mac zealots who haven't even eaten at hypothetical restaurant.
Shouldn't make assumptions! Few things makes one look more stupid, more quickly than doing just that.
Besides, what I specifically commented on, can be clearly seen from already posted screenshots. The Mac version is more wasteful of screen real estate compared to the PC version as it takes up more vertical space. There's not even a debate there.
I use both Mac + PC versions of PS and interestingly the PC version of PS is [talking CS2/3 now] better in lots of little but useful ways, easier cycling through blending modes, useful visual feedback when moving layers to bin. Oddly the only time the Mac PS is better than PC version is when using dual monitors, specifically when using PS in full screen mode, as normally the Mac is somewhat painful with multiple monitors. But that is only because in PS I use palettes to fill the second monitor. If I was to use the more recent implementation [CS3+] with the new style collapsible pallets at side of screen then it would be no improvement, but those improvements were obviously designed for single monitor usage.
Again with the assumptions.
Not if it made things easier, a point you seem to miss. Office 2007 had an extremely radical makeover. But once people used it, they realized how crap the old UI was. People who object to change, simply as it's change are the sort of demiwits who would have objecting to growing crops rather gathering berries off bushes.
Why assume [yet again] this version is any different? I'd say it was more streamlined and improved.
I'll try it if it actually WORKS on a case sensitive journaled HD.
That pissed me off so much... I coudln't reformat my disk since my backup drives weren't enough so i had to try out CS3 on my laptop... and I don't use my laptop except for taking notes. (all my web design should be on my main computer)
That pissed me off so much... I coudln't reformat my disk since my backup drives weren't enough so i had to try out CS3 on my laptop... and I don't use my laptop except for taking notes. (all my web design should be on my main computer)
I am calm.
Though you completely avoided responding to the obviously inconvenient points I raised. What a surprise.
So,when not making foolish and innacurate assumptions, it appears you prefer to run away. Heaven forbid you actually admit you may be wrong!