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Adobe Releases New Creative Cloud Apps

Any fee based news seems to divide opinion. The CS suite is aimed at professionals who generally make a living out of the applications. Same as the MacBook pro. If you're using a pro laptop with pro software to earn a living then this is the price you pay. If you're not doing well enough to cover the cost of the tools you require to do your job then it may be time to switch profession rather than moan about prices.

If you like free stuff, there's options elsewhere. If you're mad because you're used to illegally downloading the apps and now you can't do that then your problems obviously lie elsewhere and you're not someone adobe needs to really care about.

Adobe is a business, not a charity. You buy their software, and you make a living out of it either as a photographer, a designer, a developer or whatever it may be. They make a profit from the software that they continue to develop.

Cloud based subscription services is the way it's all going. As we have multiple devices, and are using them from multiple locations then it makes sense to be able to log in and resume where you left off. If the price is too expensive, then they're not for you. You have other options available to you from other software companies. I don't know why moaners feel that adobe need to be all things to all people. Why don't they have subscription and single payment? Why can't I open new files in older software? Why why why? Because they need to make a profit! Why would I upgrade if I could open cs6 files in cs2??? It's built in redundancy, but then that happens in everything you buy. Are you driving the same car for 15 years? Are you wearing the same clothes you wore 4 years ago? If so then go look elsewhere for your software because you're not and never will be appealing to a business that's out to make profit.
 
Subscribe for a year, or until you feel you've paid enough to own the product, then download a cracked version.
 
Michael Scrip said:
Other things you pay for by the month but don't get to own:

Your cable bill
Your Netflix bill
Your cell phone bill
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All of these things started out that way. (And I do get to own my phone at the end of term albeit at an inflated price).
 
$50/mo is ridiculous. That's actually more expensive than buying the master suite and upgrading it for a few years. Adobe really must be excited about their new "pay forever, own nothing" model.
 
samcraig said:
Horsecrap. I have CS6 at home - but at work I have CS3 and I do a ton on it. Why? Because while some of the newer tools are nice - if you KNOW how to use Photoshop and are a PROFESSIONAL - it's about skill. You don't need to upgrade every 2 years. Myth. Pure myth.

And my copy of CS3 at work is invaluable because it's what I use. And I don't give a fig what the resale value is. I'm not selling it.

I love shiny new toys - but be honest - you don't HAVE to upgrade. You WANT to upgrade. And that's what Adobe (and everyone in the electronics and software business - let alone other businesses) want.
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While that may be true as a whole, being able to do work (especially Photoshop work) at the same rate and proficiency from CS3 to CS6 is not the same. Sorry. I don't care how good you are. Get me all the CSS info from your Photoshop file in less than 30 minutes from an HTML PSD file with Photoshop CS3 and then we'll talk. I have been a professional and been using Photoshop way back when it first came out (yes, since version 1 when BOTH of the Knoll brothers were still on the team) and a lot has changed. Yes, HAVING to upgrade every 2 years is a myth, but when you are bidding for work with an agency and you have to quote them 5 hours to do "X" amount of work and there is another designer who can do the same exact thing in 2 hours because he is using features in the last several versions of Photoshop that give him the leg up, they'll go with him instead.

Now I'm not saying that every feature in every app or product gives everyone who utilizes it the "leg up" in every case, but a lot of features do speed up production. As someone who has done quite a bit of work in the past 20 years, attended many, many seminars, conferences, etc. on Photoshop and other applications, I can tell you - every new app is not a "shiny new toy," it's an investment for my livelihood, it's an important tool used in my career and it's only a part of what I do. But I do use it, count on it and value it. I also love toys (heck, I'm also a vintage toy collector as well) but I don't feed my family with my toys. I don't win quotes from agencies with toys.

Now, after saying that. I too am not happy about Adobe's new system. If given a choice I would rather go back to the way it was as well. I am forced at the moment to reluctantly go along with the new "extortion" method of theirs ("give us a monthly stipend and we won't kill all of your work"). I think Adobe is putting ALL of their users into one basket and that is never the case in any product line. For professionals like me, this new model can work for some, annoy others or piss them off all together. But they will use it. But the rest of the users I think, if given a choice are going to go the alternate route if they can. I think Adobe should have given these other users another option or options. Maybe after paying "X" amount in subscriptions, you will be able to use the last CS version of all your apps. Or maybe letting users pay a certain amount for a year or 2 worth of use. Something.
 
symber said:
You can't include the cell phone bill, as at the end of the contract you own a phone, which you can keep or sell or do whatever you want with.
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Yeah but quite a few were left off. Your gas bill, electricity bill, water bill, any kind of insurance, etc.
 
Mac-Donald said:
Any fee based news seems to divide opinion. The CS suite is aimed at professionals who generally make a living out of the applications. Same as the MacBook pro. If you're using a pro laptop with pro software to earn a living then this is the price you pay. If you're not doing well enough to cover the cost of the tools you require to do your job then it may be time to switch profession rather than moan about prices.

If you like free stuff, there's options elsewhere. If you're mad because you're used to illegally downloading the apps and now you can't do that then your problems obviously lie elsewhere and you're not someone adobe needs to really care about.

Adobe is a business, not a charity. You buy their software, and you make a living out of it either as a photographer, a designer, a developer or whatever it may be. They make a profit from the software that they continue to develop.

Cloud based subscription services is the way it's all going. As we have multiple devices, and are using them from multiple locations then it makes sense to be able to log in and resume where you left off. If the price is too expensive, then they're not for you. You have other options available to you from other software companies. I don't know why moaners feel that adobe need to be all things to all people. Why don't they have subscription and single payment? Why can't I open new files in older software? Why why why? Because they need to make a profit! Why would I upgrade if I could open cs6 files in cs2??? It's built in redundancy, but then that happens in everything you buy. Are you driving the same car for 15 years? Are you wearing the same clothes you wore 4 years ago? If so then go look elsewhere for your software because you're not and never will be appealing to a business that's out to make profit.
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Absolutely. For me as a buyer of the Design Standard Suite the price to use the software has trippled, but how dare I complain! People should just shut up and be glad that we have such friendly corporations ripping us off. If the price of all goods at the supermarket would tripple without a reason we shouldn't complain too, because the supermarket needs to make profit.

Why can't those silly people not just be thankful that we get such wonderful cloud based subscription services, like prism. Corporations and the TV say it's the future, so it's cool and trendy because they obviously wouldn't lie to us. It has zero advantages for most customers but hey it's cool and trendy so people just need to shut up and say thank you after being ripped off.

Let's just all shut up and be perfect customers! :rolleyes:
 
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pgiguere1 said:
dat targeted ad
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You know, Corel Graphics would be a good alternative if they actually kept their Mac version up to date and maintained so that those of us Mac users could have a viable alternative of sorts to Creative Suite. Either that or I'd love to see Quark buy out Pixelmator and Hype, throw heaps of money at the two and then bundle Quark, Pixelmator and Hype together for US$399 and US$199 upgrade. There really is a need for a alternative to Creative Suite given that Adobe pretty much has the market by its short and curlies.
 
TitoC said:
While that may be true as a whole, being able to do work (especially Photoshop work) at the same rate and proficiency from CS3 to CS6 is not the same. Sorry. I don't care how good you are. Get me all the CSS info from your Photoshop file in less than 30 minutes from an HTML PSD file with Photoshop CS3 and then we'll talk. I have been a professional and been using Photoshop way back when it first came out (yes, since version 1 when BOTH of the Knoll brothers were still on the team) and a lot has changed. Yes, HAVING to upgrade every 2 years is a myth, but when you are bidding for work with an agency and you have to quote them 5 hours to do "X" amount of work and there is another designer who can do the same exact thing in 2 hours because he is using features in the last several versions of Photoshop that give him the leg up, they'll go with him instead.

Now I'm not saying that every feature in every app or product gives everyone who utilizes it the "leg up" in every case, but a lot of features do speed up production. As someone who has done quite a bit of work in the past 20 years, attended many, many seminars, conferences, etc. on Photoshop and other applications, I can tell you - every new app is not a "shiny new toy," it's an investment for my livelihood, it's an important tool used in my career and it's only a part of what I do. But I do use it, count on it and value it. I also love toys (heck, I'm also a vintage toy collector as well) but I don't feed my family with my toys. I don't win quotes from agencies with toys.

Now, after saying that. I too am not happy about Adobe's new system. If given a choice I would rather go back to the way it was as well. I am forced at the moment to reluctantly go along with the new "extortion" method of theirs ("give us a monthly stipend and we won't kill all of your work"). I think Adobe is putting ALL of their users into one basket and that is never the case in any product line. For professionals like me, this new model can work for some, annoy others or piss them off all together. But they will use it. But the rest of the users I think, if given a choice are going to go the alternate route if they can. I think Adobe should have given these other users another option or options. Maybe after paying "X" amount in subscriptions, you will be able to use the last CS version of all your apps. Or maybe letting users pay a certain amount for a year or 2 worth of use. Something.
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My objection was his hyperbole. I agree with you. But not everyone needs to upgrade to get all of their work done.

Most importantly - previously - one created their own upgrade path based on their requirements. Now there's no choice.

Edit to clarify: Clearly you can still use CS6 and prior versions for awhile. But once you head down the upgrade path from there- you're on a nonstop train vs what the previous model was.
 
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PBG4 Dude said:
You have forgotten to reduce UK price by VAT. Also, how much is the free second year of warranty worth? We don't get that in the states.

Consider this, the Xbox 360 originally came with a 90 day warranty in the US. What is the minimum UK electronics warranty?
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That's true, but in practice, they don't give you a second year of warranty, because it's only valid if you can prove that the fault was there before you bought it (which it wasn't, otherwise you'd have returned it within a day of owning it). Say your screen dies, your fans fail and your motherboard fries (this all happened to me one year and about a week after their warranty expired) and all they will say is how much it will cost you to get it repaired.
 
TitoC said:
While that may be true as a whole, being able to do work (especially Photoshop work) at the same rate and proficiency from CS3 to CS6 is not the same. Sorry. I don't care how good you are. Get me all the CSS info from your Photoshop file in less than 30 minutes from an HTML PSD file with Photoshop CS3 and then we'll talk. I have been a professional and been using Photoshop way back when it first came out (yes, since version 1 when BOTH of the Knoll brothers were still on the team) and a lot has changed. Yes, HAVING to upgrade every 2 years is a myth, but when you are bidding for work with an agency and you have to quote them 5 hours to do "X" amount of work and there is another designer who can do the same exact thing in 2 hours because he is using features in the last several versions of Photoshop that give him the leg up, they'll go with him instead.

Now I'm not saying that every feature in every app or product gives everyone who utilizes it the "leg up" in every case, but a lot of features do speed up production. As someone who has done quite a bit of work in the past 20 years, attended many, many seminars, conferences, etc. on Photoshop and other applications, I can tell you - every new app is not a "shiny new toy," it's an investment for my livelihood, it's an important tool used in my career and it's only a part of what I do. But I do use it, count on it and value it. I also love toys (heck, I'm also a vintage toy collector as well) but I don't feed my family with my toys. I don't win quotes from agencies with toys.

Now, after saying that. I too am not happy about Adobe's new system. If given a choice I would rather go back to the way it was as well. I am forced at the moment to reluctantly go along with the new "extortion" method of theirs ("give us a monthly stipend and we won't kill all of your work"). I think Adobe is putting ALL of their users into one basket and that is never the case in any product line. For professionals like me, this new model can work for some, annoy others or piss them off all together. But they will use it. But the rest of the users I think, if given a choice are going to go the alternate route if they can. I think Adobe should have given these other users another option or options. Maybe after paying "X" amount in subscriptions, you will be able to use the last CS version of all your apps. Or maybe letting users pay a certain amount for a year or 2 worth of use. Something.
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A few things here.. Not everyone is a full-time pro, and not everyone who isn't steals their software. There are many part-timers as well as hobbyists who have been faithful Adobe customers, and the CC move is terrible for them.




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Mac-Donald said:
Any fee based news seems to divide opinion. The CS suite is aimed at professionals who generally make a living out of the applications. Same as the MacBook pro. If you're using a pro laptop with pro software to earn a living then this is the price you pay. If you're not doing well enough to cover the cost of the tools you require to do your job then it may be time to switch profession rather than moan about prices.

If you like free stuff, there's options elsewhere. If you're mad because you're used to illegally downloading the apps and now you can't do that then your problems obviously lie elsewhere and you're not someone adobe needs to really care about.

Adobe is a business, not a charity. You buy their software, and you make a living out of it either as a photographer, a designer, a developer or whatever it may be. They make a profit from the software that they continue to develop.

Cloud based subscription services is the way it's all going. As we have multiple devices, and are using them from multiple locations then it makes sense to be able to log in and resume where you left off. If the price is too expensive, then they're not for you. You have other options available to you from other software companies. I don't know why moaners feel that adobe need to be all things to all people. Why don't they have subscription and single payment? Why can't I open new files in older software? Why why why? Because they need to make a profit! Why would I upgrade if I could open cs6 files in cs2??? It's built in redundancy, but then that happens in everything you buy. Are you driving the same car for 15 years? Are you wearing the same clothes you wore 4 years ago? If so then go look elsewhere for your software because you're not and never will be appealing to a business that's out to make profit.
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The thing that both posts here miss out on is photographers, specifically freelance photographers.

First off, for photographers, upgrades since PS4 have been marginal at best, especially all the .5 releases. The tools in Photoshop now really are more for designers that for photography. Other than better clone tools, what has Photoshop really offered since version 4?

If you are a full time designer using all the tools, Creative Cloud is fine, and worth it. If you are a photographer, especially a part-time one, $50 a month is a lot to be able to use Illustrator 4 times a year. And at the same time, the other photography software out there is getting better and better.

You know what Lightroom isn't CC only? Because Adobe knows damn well that there is too much competition for that. Everyone would swap in a heartbeat. The rest of their software? You have to suck it up, since they are the only game in town.
 
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MrNomNoms said:
You know, Corel Graphics would be a good alternative if they actually kept their Mac version up to date and maintained so that those of us Mac users could have a viable alternative of sorts to Creative Suite.
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Corel have explicitly said that the negative reaction to Creative Cloud has put Mac development of CorelDraw back on the table as something they're discussing internally.

Cheers

Jim
 
Jim Campbell said:
Corel have explicitly said that the negative reaction to Creative Cloud has put Mac development of CorelDraw back on the table as something they're discussing internally.

Cheers

Jim
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I hope so because this is a real opportunity for Corel to jump on the back of a rising community especially my experience with the complete Corel Graphics Suite was pretty positive the last time I used it but mind you that was way back in the eMac days of PowerPC G4 and running 10.2.x/10.3.x when I was in Australia. I was reading the blog:

http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/you-can-run-coreldraw-on-a-mac/

and hopefully they see it as a worthwhile investment because IMHO if they do play their cards right and deliver a top notch product many will leave the Creative Suite fold. Adobe needs to realise that if they piss off enough people there will be movement even if it results in some sort term pain faced by the early leavers.
 
I also loved that MacRumors posted this little press release for Adobe without a hint of the still brewing rage over this move.

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MrNomNoms said:
I hope so because this is a real opportunity for Corel to jump on the back of a rising community especially my experience with the complete Corel Graphics Suite was pretty positive the last time I used it but mind you that was way back in the eMac days of PowerPC G4 and running 10.2.x/10.3.x when I was in Australia. I was reading the blog:

http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/you-can-run-coreldraw-on-a-mac/

and hopefully they see it as a worthwhile investment because IMHO if they do play their cards right and deliver a top notch product many will leave the Creative Suite fold. Adobe needs to realise that if they piss off enough people there will be movement even if it results in some sort term pain faced by the early leavers.
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For that matter, we might hear from Quark again making noise with a page-layout solution.
 
Dreamweaver is no longer a web development tool

So - Adobe have finally killed Fireworks and rendered Dreamweaver nothing more than an overblown CSS editor.

Gone are server behaviors, bindings, databases - no way to interact with data at all - apparently those of us who build working web sites need to look elsewhere.

A catastrophic omission by Adobe that I cannot understand and none of my colleagues or other companies I've spoken to today can begin to get their head round.

Apparently if you want to develop a usable, functional site, Dreamweaver is no longer for you. What's the point on spending all that money and then having to code by hand - we have coda - or even textedit for that. I know all of this can be done by hand, I'm capable of doing it - but my reason for using Dreamweaver was so that I didn't have to - this wasn't a minor tool within dreamweaver, it was most of the usable functionality.

This software is an unstable joke, and talk of "future extensions with this functionality" is not good enough. It's an integral part of the software and should never have been removed without a replacement ready.

Goodbye Dreamweaver - my main work tool of over a decade.

Adobe, you have dropped the ball and except for Photoshop, you now have nothing.
 
wildmac said:
A few things here.. Not everyone is a full-time pro, and not everyone who isn't steals their software. There are many part-timers as well as hobbyists who have been faithful Adobe customers, and the CC move is terrible for them.




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Agreed. Hence MY quote at the end, which states "But the rest of the users I think, if given a choice are going to go the alternate route if they can. I think Adobe should have given these other users another option or options. Maybe after paying "X" amount in subscriptions, you will be able to use the last CS version of all your apps. Or maybe letting users pay a certain amount for a year or 2 worth of use. Something."
 
moonsabie said:
coda 2
Blender
pixelmator
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Coda is great, but Adobe doesn't make a dedicated 3D program that would be an alternative to Blender. Cinema 4D, made by Maxon, is usually be designer's 3D program of choice.

Also, Pixelmator isn't really as full-featured as Photoshop. Maybe in future releases, though.
 
ChrisA said:
People will like this once they get used to it. ... If you don't like the price look at other options, Gimp is free as is Inkscape. There is Open Office and Google Docs and so on. You can do everything you want with free software.
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And that's what I did. I don't lease my car, I don't borrow my tools and I don't rent software. I'm a writer and am already on OpenOffice. I use Gimp and InkScape for my graphics needs. Adobe, (and M$ with Office365 as well) can sit on it and spin as far as I'm concerned.
 
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wildmac said:
I also loved that MacRumors posted this little press release for Adobe without a hint of the still brewing rage over this move.
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This is Adobe - they never admit that they've done anything wrong. How many years did Adobe deny that there was anything wrong with the Flash plugin before they finally did something about the horrific mess? then there is the procrastination regarding 64bitness on OS X because they didn't want to make the investment to go from Carbon to Cocoa because god forbid investing some of their profits back into their products! This is just 'more of the same' - everyone else is wrong but us, we're just on the 'bleeding edge' and they can't see the awesome future from our vantage point - same song with slightly different lyrics but the same over all theme of screwing its user base.

For that matter, we might hear from Quark again making noise with a page-layout solution.
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What Quark needs to do is deliver at semi-end to end solution; buy out Hype and Pixelmator, throw cash at them (to bring them up to parity with the competition) and deliver a bundle that can complete with Creative Suite with the video editing being picked up by Apple and Final Cut Pro X. They have the cash and know how to deliver but it comes down to whether they have the will power to actually drive through and a CEO who is willing to put out a bold vision and actually drive towards it rather than what appears to be a ballsless and soulless leadership in charge of the organisation.
 
I hope someone manages to come up with a crack for this. I also hope the Pirate Bay doesn't get taken down. Demonoid WE MISS YOU!!
 
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