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...If you like free stuff, there's options elsewhere. If you're mad because you're used to illegally downloading the apps and now you can't do that then your problems obviously lie elsewhere and you're not someone adobe needs to really care about.

I agree with the rest of your post but the "cloud" version of apps will, and already have been cracked. (for the first rollout of CC anyway)
 
what happens when I don't upgrade my version of CC yet the print shop does? Will there be incompatibilities?
 
what happens when I don't upgrade my version of CC yet the print shop does? Will there be incompatibilities?

Yes. If you're using PSDs, the print shop will be able to open your files, but you won't be able to open theirs unless they can save for your earlier version.
 
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So - Adobe have finally killed Fireworks and rendered Dreamweaver nothing more than an overblown CSS editor.
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Goodbye Dreamweaver - my main work tool of over a decade.

Adobe, you have dropped the ball and except for Photoshop, you now have nothing.

This is really amazing considering the place Dreamweaver, in particular, had in the industry...wow.

I'd get copies prior to CC if I didn't already have them and then wish Adobe well.

For some places that pay for Adobe's constant updates this will be good - but for all the users who get a version and use it till they have a good reason to upgrade this is a bad thing....we'll get to see how Adobe's bottom line plays out here.
 
If Apple is smart, they'll take in those who jumped ship after the Final Cut Pro X and other pro-Apps disappointments. Update Aperture, perhaps a full fledged photo editing app to compete w/ Photoshop and make use of Aperture's photo database/conduit, anything. The redesigned Mac Pro w/ new pro-Apps would be a good move.
 
what happens when I don't upgrade my version of CC yet the print shop does? Will there be incompatibilities?

What file types do you send them. If you give them TIFF files you don't even need to use an Adobe product. Anything that can save to TIFF would would work

If you send them PSD files that any version of PS can write those
 
So far the only people complaining are those who don't like the price. I don't hear complaints about the functionality. So what if it costs $50 a month. If you are using this suit to make money and not making $50 it's time to look for other work.

If you don't like the price look at other options, Gimp is free as is Inkscape. There is Open Office and Google Docs and so on. You can do everything you want with free software.
I work mostly as a volunteer. Some paid work here and there. My clients can't afford to hire anyone because most of them are also volunteers. I'll have to stick to my one time purchase which I have used for years. No way I can afford even the single app registration. However nor can I afford to upgrade in the old system at the moment either.

Oh I mean to add. I have tried lots of other cheaper packages and nothing feels as right as photoshop.
 
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Really? $19.99 monthly fee is $239.88 a year. 239.88/0.04= $5.997 perpetually (asuming a 4% interest rate). You should get a course in math and economic dude. :D

???

I get the 19.99 works out to 239.88 a year part... but can't follow the math where it became less than 6 dollars perpetually?... It seems like you're calculating the present value of a perpetuity? but in that case it would be 239$ perpetually?...

Maybe I am just confused :) Just a student
 
Yeah but quite a few were left off. Your gas bill, electricity bill, water bill, any kind of insurance, etc.

True, but if you switch your electricity provider, you can still use all your equipment.

You can't really transfer your projects to another software, so if you decide to stop using Adobe's CC you won't be able to access your past projects unless you re-subscribe.
 
My objection was his hyperbole. I agree with you. But not everyone needs to upgrade to get all of their work done.

Most importantly - previously - one created their own upgrade path based on their requirements. Now there's no choice.

Edit to clarify: Clearly you can still use CS6 and prior versions for awhile. But once you head down the upgrade path from there- you're on a nonstop train vs what the previous model was.

Good point. Some places I've worked there was policy against upgrades due to the risk of loss of productivity if a problem occurred. The ICT staff have to test it first. These auto updates have to be turned off in places like that.
 
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Yes! Finally I can pay another monthly fee! Now I can use up my precious bandwidth to use an app that will work as long as my internet service is working. Way to go Adobe, you rock!
 
I really happy with adobe!

For a design student, having to pay 19.99 for all their apps is much better than paying thousands of dollars. It's just like leasing a car.

As a student, you need to look around and save.

My daughter is a design student at a major university and her CS6 Design Standard package is only $250? from her school store.

Your $19.99 is $240 a year and you'll have to pay that and more for the rest of your career. That's a rip.
 
Wait I can pay $240 a year for JUST photoshop and never actually OWN it? Guess I'm stickin' with CS6 unless I can actually buy software.

Agreed. The way the industry is headed with all of these cloud-centric applications really sickens me. Why does everything have to be online nowadays? Why do we need an internet connection to edit photos? I can't edit them with software installed on my laptop? Why does Fruit Ninja need to know my location? etc etc....

/rant

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I whole-heartedly agree with everything you mentioned and hate this cloud-centric app crap for software that has been on your pc/mac for years.

I do think that this will give more fuel to competitors to work harder and try to put together a very similar - ie replacement - product. Customers are now ready to jump ship as long as the other software can do much of what Adobe stuff can do - which I do agree is a lot.

If you were an Adobe customer who upgraded the most expensive suite (Master Collection?) every single time it was updated, then you'll save some money on Creative Cloud. Pretty much everyone else is getting screwed.

I use Design Standard because I only need Design Standard. Creative Cloud will amount to me paying the full retail box price (not the upgrade price) for Design Standard every two years, with the added wrinkle that I will never own my software and if I hit a cashflow crisis* and can't make a monthly payment for a couple of months, the software on which I rely to make a living will simply stop working.

Adobe have been quite clear about this: Creative Cloud is about normalising the peaks and troughs in their own cash flow and is only about piracy in as much as it's a means of gouging the poor saps that actually pay for their software. It's a very bad deal for the vast majority of their customers but, because Adobe have a de facto monopoly in the design industry, they just don't care.

My last CS upgrade will be just that. My last.

Cheers

Jim

*Because that never happens to self-employed people and, besides, self-employed people aren't a big part of Adobe's customer base, right?
 
I have been using Adobe products before they were even Adobe products (Photostyler and Aldus Pagemaker) and during that time my COMPUTER has changed. From a PowerPC to a Intel Mac. I had to upgrade software when that happened but my older software STILL WORKED on my older machines. What will happen in the future if say Apple decided to leave the Intel platform for another one. Adobe will then have to either support both or will move on and then you will have to buy a new machine for your software to still work. And if they don't move to the new platform the CC won't work on your new machine. Same with OS changes. What if the new Windows or new OSX is so different that the CC will have to be updated to run on it - what happens to those that don't get the new OS? Will they have multiple versions being supported? Or will they be forced to upgrade their OS even though that might break some other program they use?
 
$50 per month, per user is a bargin !?

The Adobe creative cloud only does 1 thing, costs companies and individuals far more then buying a license previously.

Aye, it's good value for money...and should take you no more than an hours worth of work to pay for your monthly subscription.

My monthly gym subscription costs more than my CC subscription...and I can assure you I use my computer more often than you'll find me in the gym each month! :D
 
If you need to use Adobe packages then you are earning money from them and you need to upgrade every 2 major upgrades minimum to stay on top.

Creative Cloud does away with the whole upgrade shenanigans - you're always at the latest version.

How much do you think that copy of CS5 you bought 3 years ago is really worth now? Who would buy it? (actually, you might find someone on this thread!)

If you already have a CS version, you get a discount for the first year. If you don't then it's still a fraction of the outlay of Master Collection. Do the maths on a subscription model vs buying a new version and upgrading every 2 years. It works.

Folks that only use Photoshop occasionally should be looking for a cheaper alternative anyway - or looking at renting it on a month-to-month basis. Alternatively just buy or stick with an old version. If it does everything you need to make a poster for your mate's band you don't need the latest greatest version anyway.

I've been using Adobe's subscription service for a year and couldn't be happier.

Totally agree. I downloaded the CC versions this morning. Sweet.

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Yes! Finally I can pay another monthly fee! Now I can use up my precious bandwidth to use an app that will work as long as my internet service is working. Way to go Adobe, you rock!

Read the materials you idiot. You don't need an internet connection to use CC apps.
 
***** adobe. Everyone should just continue with all versions up to CS6 as their standard. Die adobe, DIE!
 
what happens when I don't upgrade my version of CC yet the print shop does? Will there be incompatibilities?

If you're expecting not to upgrade then you're a dilettante and don't need CC in the first place, so go find something else that's cheap, or steal it.

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Horsecrap. I have CS6 at home - but at work I have CS3 and I do a ton on it. Why? Because while some of the newer tools are nice - if you KNOW how to use Photoshop and are a PROFESSIONAL - it's about skill. You don't need to upgrade every 2 years. Myth. Pure myth.

And my copy of CS3 at work is invaluable because it's what I use. And I don't give a fig what the resale value is. I'm not selling it.

I love shiny new toys - but be honest - you don't HAVE to upgrade. You WANT to upgrade. And that's what Adobe (and everyone in the electronics and software business - let alone other businesses) want.

If you really WERE a professional, you wouldn't have to beat your chest about it, AND you'd also not EVER be content with the status quo.
 
If you really WERE a professional, you wouldn't have to beat your chest about it, AND you'd also not EVER be content with the status quo.

I am. But please - explain what you mean. Are you suggesting I can't be a profesisonal AND use older software? One of my colleagues is a brilliant man who is a tech writer. He still uses Word 5.1. Why? Because he's in his 70s and doesn't want to learn anything new. Is he not a professional? :rolleyes:
 
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