But I don't hate Adobe. Which version of Premiere do you use? I last used Premier in 2009, so maybe the old version was just bad. It was like a watered down FCE.
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But I don't hate Adobe. Which version of Premiere do you use? I last used Premier in 2009, so maybe the old version was just bad. It was like a watered down FCE.
Yes... you get to keep your phone hardware... but it won't do much good without the service.
Adobe went from a software company to a software-as-a-service company.
No one has a problem paying for a cell phone subscription the rest of their lives... why not pay for access to the Adobe software you use to run your business?
I figured but thank you for this
I appreciate everyones' input, but yours was particularly helpful. Since I am getting my feet wet with design courses again, I think I will snag a physical copy of CS6 before I can no longer do so.
I am not a fan of the subscription model for software - I do not like having to constantly pay for software I won't always use every month. I'm okay with renting a movie or a book. Software: not really.
I appreciate everyones' input, but yours was particularly helpful. Since I am getting my feet wet with design courses again, I think I will snag a physical copy of CS6 before I can no longer do so.
I am not a fan of the subscription model for software - I do not like having to constantly pay for software I won't always use every month. I'm okay with renting a movie or a book. Software: not really.
Wow. Do you own your own worldwide telecommunications infrastructure?
Do you own your own electrical power grid?
Neither do you or adobe. All adobe has is digital code. And you do have a computer that simply runs that code. You... a computer, in a room... doing anything you want to create with it.
Tying software to a subscription is nowhere analogous nor should ever be tolerated.
Die adobe, die
Do you own your own electrical power grid?
Neither do you or adobe. All adobe has is digital code. And you do have a computer that simply runs that code. You... a computer, in a room... doing anything you want to create with it.
Tying software to a subscription is nowhere analogous nor should ever be tolerated.
Die adobe, die
Exactly. I've used everything CS3 and up, and maybe I don't know how to use them well enough, but they seem like the same thing.
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Wow, that is the most dramatic way to not buy something I have ever seen. I don't see what crime Adobe has committed, but if Adobe died, at least it would stop nagging me about registering Photoshop.
I've owned every upgrade of Photoshop since version 2.0. I can only say a very few of those upgrades were worth it. For example, it took Adobe well over a decade to support OpenGL. Even though I own CS5 I still run CS3 on my 2nd computer because I can't think of a single image I can't do with it.
It would be cheaper for studios that have 200+ artists to write their own software. They don't upgrade every version because their pipelines requires a lot of stability.
It would be cheaper for studios that have 200+ artists to write their own software. They don't upgrade every version because their pipelines requires a lot of stability.
I don't use many of these features, but that doesn't mean they are not being added. Many of the new featyres I DO use a lot.
CS4 features smoother panning and zooming, allowing faster image editing at a high magnification. The interface is more simplified with its tab-based interface[51] making it cleaner to work with. Photoshop CS4 features a new 3D engine allowing the conversion of gradient maps to 3D objects, adding depth to layers and text, and getting print-quality output with the new ray-tracing rendering engine. It supports common 3D formats; the new Adjustment and Mask Panels; Content-aware scaling (seam carving[52]); Fluid Canvas Rotation and File display options.[53] The Content-aware scaling allows users to intelligently size and scale images,[51] and the Canvas Rotation tool makes it easier to rotate and edit images from any angle.[51]
Adobe released Photoshop CS4 Extended, which has the features of Adobe Photoshop CS4, plus capabilities for scientific imaging, 3D, motion graphics,[51] accurate image analysis[51] and high-end film and video users. The faster 3D engine allows users to paint directly on 3D models, wrap 2D images around 3D shapes and animate 3D objects.[51] As the successor to Photoshop CS3, Photoshop CS4 is the first x64 edition of Photoshop on consumer computers for Windows.[54] The color correction tool has also been improved significantly.[51]CS5 introduces new tools such as the Content-Aware Fill, Refine Edge, Mixer Brush, Bristle Tips and Puppet Warp.[58] The community also had a hand in the additions made to CS5 as 30 new features and improvements were included by request.[58] These include automatic image straightening, the Rule-of-Thirds cropping tool, color pickup and saving an 16-bit image as a JPEG.[58] Another feature includes the Adobe Mini Bridge which allows for efficient file browsing and management.[58]
CS5 Extended includes everything in CS5 plus features in 3D and video editing. A new materials library was added, providing more options such as Chrome, Glass, and Cork.[58] The new Shadow Catcher tool can be used to further enhance 3D objects.[58] For motion graphics, the tools can be applied to over more than one frame in a video sequence
Adobe Photoshop CS6 brought a suite of tools for video editing. Color and exposure adjustments, as well as layers, are among a few things that are featured in this new editor. Upon completion of editing, the user is presented with a handful of options of exporting into a few popular formats.[62]
CS6 brings the "straighten" tool to Photoshop, where a user simply draws a line anywhere on an image, and the canvas will reorient itself so that the line drawn becomes horizontal, and adjusts the media accordingly. This was created with the intention that users will draw a line parallel to a plane in the image, and reorient the image to that plane to more easily achieve certain perspectives.[62]
CS6 allows background saving, which means that while another document is compiling and archiving itself, it is possible to simultaneously edit an image.[62] CS6 also features a customizable auto-save feature, preventing any work from being lost.[62]
So CS 6 added the least in terms of features, but did significantly enhance workflow.
As for pricing. I would be an every other version update except I am on CC right now and have been for almost a year. For the educational users it is cheaper that way all the way out to 6 years or so (assuming Adobe doesn't raise the price, but then they might have raised the price of their stand alone licenses anyway). For others, the pricing is far worse. I'll reevaluate every year and if good enough cheaper options appear, will go with those.
I understand the disappointment of many on here, but not the anger. Adobe doesn't owe you anything.
Except that our sales tax is 19%, not 25%, so it's more like $455. But that still doesn't explain why Adobe is asking for 67% more here.
and neither do we adobe.
I think that a lot of people owe Adobe a lot of stuff because of all the pirated copies, and I am not one of those people.
I dunno... in some ways so called piracy helps spread the brand... viral adverstising so to speak.
When I got broadband I'd d/l CS3, mainly because they refused an upgrade path from earlier PS I had bought. After a bit I purchased both Elements and Lightroom which after a number of months offers started coming by email for half price for CS5... which I also purchased. I just upgraded to LR5 from 3 and I expect to upgrade to CS6 before the year is out.
But that's it for me (and apparently a lot of people) if adobe sticks with this subscription only BS.
Me or anyone else can keep buying used computers to run this software if necessary till they croak and guaranteed, still produce artwork as good as any future CS version43
I wonder if people who like this subscription model also rent their furniture and get pay day loans? Also, there was a comparison to leasing a car. At least with a car there is an option to buy and own. Hell, even MMO games where a subscription model actually makes sense, since much of the product is server based by neccesity, are moving away from it. Other professional software requires maintenance fees, but you can still use the software if you drop maintenance, you just don't get upgrades and support.
they got greedy, i got out
just updated all my CC apps, applied the 49kb patch on PB that stops CC from phoning home after 180 days and canceled my account. they got greedy, i turned to pirating.
just updated all my CC apps, applied the 49kb patch on PB that stops CC from phoning home after 180 days and canceled my account. they got greedy, i turned to pirating.
It only makes sense to have to have to have ongoing payment for things that are only available through large hardware infrastructures not possible to have for the end user.
Software is none of those things except for maybe the coding of the app in the first place. Afterwards all that is necessary for you to function is the software and your computer
adobe is doing a great job, they are releasing awesome products, i don't even know who's their biggest rival. Photoshop is my favorite app and i wanna say thanks to adobe for this awesome app.
I actually don't use it regularly, but have the CS5.5 version at home and will be getting the CS6 version installed soon in the office (when they finally get around to it). But I've had to use it sparingly over the past few years on a few projects and it really is a pleasure to use.
It's partially why FCP7 users were so upset initially about FCPX. FCP7 was stale and they just wanted comparable features like the Mercury Playback Engine, Dynamic Linking, etc. There were a good amount of things that Premiere got much better at than FCP. So what they really wanted was just an upgraded FCP7. That outrage has died down a bit. Some moved to Adobe/Avid, others went to FCPX. But now this CC thing has thrown a new wrench into things.
I still use FCP7 for some legacy projects, but that's it these days. I've moved on to Avid both at home freelancing and at the full-time gig.
Some people do have a problem with that. And guess what, telecoms providers recognise this and offer other options, like 'pay as you go'. Besides, telecoms has always ever been charged on a metered basis. Because it is an actual service and there is no other viable way to charge for it.
Adobe, on the other hand, have completely reneged on a prior arrangement. Subscription is not being offered as an additional option for those who prefer it. It replaces the prior purchase arrangement of paying a lump sum to purchase versions for indefinite use. The two models are not intrinsically mutually exclusive. But Adobe are attempting to redefine their software products as services, by muddling them up with some actual cloud services. The services are in fact cloud based offerings but the programs are still products that have to be downloaded and hosted on the users computer. To describe it any other way is nothing more than flim-flam.
That said. Many are happy to rent the software, no problem with that. Though I'm a bit puzzled as to why Adobe no longer want the few hundred quid they would get off of me every few years under the prior arrangement, (since 1997 and for the foreseeable otherwise). Fine by me, so long as CS6 runs ok on the new Mac Pro promised later this year.
I have a problem with it. That's one of the reasons why I don't have a cell phone.
Damn, the day I leave for a mini vacation is the day they decided to release this! So excited to try the new features out!
Maybe it's because you're still a student that you didn't realise that leasing a car is, in the long run much more expensive than buying the same car?
Leasing can be a good option for starters but if you're a long time user, you'll want to have at least the option to buy. I'm not sure Adobe will offer us that option in the future.
Excuse me, but I think you mean: No one had any other option than to pay for a cell phone subscrition, cable tv subscription, etc.
I don't know about the situation in the US, but in Europe prices for landline telephone have dropped hugely now VOIP based telephone via cable is offered, Skype has entered the game. Flatfee national subscriptions, even from landline to GSM, more recently even GSM to GSM and now mobile internet are offered for a fraction of the price often years ago.
Once, all those services required separate subcriptions, but now you basically subscribe to cable and get half the old services for free, at a much more reasonable price.
The same will apply to Adobe. If they switch to pay-per-month, leasing instead of buying, driving up prices in the long term, there will come alternatives.
I don't see a cloud.
Should your carrier decide to go nuts on the pricing, you have the option to swallow it or take your business to a competitor.
Should Adobe go nuts on pricing or decide that adding useful features is really not helping their profit much, as a CC customer you have the option to swallow it or shut down your business.
Adobe has a de facto monopoly in the market and although the current offering is priced "ok", I have absolutely no doubt that the folks happily signing up for Adobes CC will soon be squezeed to push the profit margin.
Prior to CC, Adobe (and most other vendors of pro grade software) could rely to some part on the never ending spiral of enforced upgrades due to hardware/os/compatibility issues (some accidental, some very much deliberate, all highly welcomed) and short product support lifecycles _but_ they also had to innovate and introduce feature releases to create incentive for a critical mass of users to upgrade (forcing the rest to follow suite sooner or later). The latter part will soon be history and CC users will pay for upgrades regardless of them being delivered or not.
I hope that enough people are put off by this that shops dealing with client data will continue to maintain a CS5/CS6 install for as long as possible to ensure compatibility with non-CC users.
I have been a loyal Adobe customer for many years, but I refuse to drop a single dollar into their cloud. I am not betting my future on some "do no evil mantra" by Adobe. People who think the CC with all the added services is a steal, don't realise that it means a significant (absolute) shift of power from the customer to the vendor.
No one ever actually OWNS the software they use. They license it.
But the point is, yes, the subscription model is crap. This concept just continues the consumer abuse that the EULA began.