Adobe Renaming 'Flash Professional' to ‘Animate’, Shifts Focus to HTML5

[Max(IT)]

big in video and the advertising industry. You will not notice though as depending on the browser detection you will be shown a flash or MP4 asset.

Yes max, Flash is still very much alive, cause it takes time for companies to migrate, especially if you are talking large mounts of video. That is if you Still have the original asset....We have huge amounts of video and they are encoded for flash and MP4.... Shock horror, as they end user you will not notice and claim flash is dead cause these videos play on your iPhone....

Costs max..... Costs.... You realize a flash asset is so much smaller than a MP4 asset? And when you pay millions in bandwidth costs ... Makes a huge difference.

Given people can install flash on a Mac, and always could, WHAT apology are you asking for?

Flash in time will die out. It's not dead in 2015....nor will it be for many years to come. It's time will come.

And it was a great tool for website development.

No, it's not a great tool. It's not even acceptable. It's a poor piece of crapware and the only reason it is still "alive", even if dying, is the laziness of some web designers. Most of the major websites I visit are getting rid entirely of Flash contents.

to be fair, they probably didn't know that HTML5 can mostly replace it. I for one thought YouTube videos had to be in Flash(at least on the site). Also, lets not forget, many websites used Flash back then so abandoning it meaning filtering out a significant parts of the web. I clearly remember most Las Vegas hotel websites were in complete Flash.

Since Flash has been completely abandoned by iDevices and lately even by android devices, lazy websites are forced to get rid of it.

 

[cwt1nospam]

Not sure I understand what you're getting at. Just saying that for the people that use Adobe products every day, the cost is minimal.

What I'm getting at is the idea that "Flash sucks" not because it's Flash. It sucks because its purpose is to make it easy for non-developers to develop software, and that makes for bad software. It doesn't matter what the underlying technology is, so even after they've switched to all HTML5, Animate will suck. Even worse, while those who use it may make money, the quality of their work will, on average, be poor, just as it is with Flash. Is that worth $600? I don't think so.

Adobe created (or at least made worse) a disease when they made Flash, and they apparently want to keep it going no matter what. If they didn't, they'd just let it die.

 

[MH01]

No, it's not a great tool. It's not even acceptable. It's a poor piece of crapware and the only reason it is still "alive", even if dying, is the laziness of some web designers. Most of the major websites I visit are getting rid entirely of Flash contents.


Since Flash has been completely abandoned by iDevices and lat eleven by android devices, lazy websites are forced to get rid of it.

Clearly you have no experience in web development. This is nonsense ! Frankly you would have no idea if a site you visit, uses flash assets !!!

you are a massive instigator of arguments on this site ! this is a classic example! Who are you to ask for an apology?!

stop baiting people for arguments and than running to the mods complaining how his site is full of haters!

No one! Listen, no one owes you an apology over flash !!!!

 

[Max(IT)]

Clearly you have no experience in web development. This is nonsense ! Frankly you would have no idea if a site you visit, uses flash assets !!!

you are a massive instigator of arguments on this site ! this is a classic example! Who are you to ask for an apology?!

stop baiting people for arguments and than running to the mods complaining how his site is full of haters!

No one! Listen, no one owes you an apology over flash !!!!

Web design is not my job, but I have knowledge about HTML and I have no need to demonstrate here I have a degree in IT.
I KNOW what flash is and I know what flash did to any computer I worked with, and especially my Macs (on Windows it was slightly better but still awful).
Flash is a resource hog and a constant backdoor ....

No one owes me anything , I'm not Steve jobs .... Apple bashers were, once more, WRONG regarding Flash.
And this site IS full of haters, that's a fact you can check on every section where there are people searching for discussions, legitimately, and serial complainers spreading FUD on every single post. To ignore their existence is delusional. FYI I don't think you are part of them, even if you are usually more than critical regarding Apple.

 

[MH01]

Web design is not my job, but I have knowledge about HTML and I have no need to demonstrate here I have a degree in IT.
I KNOW what flash is and I know what flash did to any computer I worked with, and especially my Macs (on Windows it was slightly better but still awful).
Flash is a resource hog and a constant backdoor ....

No one owes me anything , I'm not Steve jobs .... Apple bashers were, one more, WRONG regarding Flash.
And this site IS full of haters, that's a fact you can check on every section where there are people searching for discussions, legitimately, and serial complainers spreading FUD on every single post. To ignore their existence is delusional. FYI I don't think you are part of them, even if you are usually more than critical regarding Apple.

Look, you are correct about flash , it needs to go, though the industry moves slowly. 2007 we get no flash support on iOS , 2015.... Flash is still used, maybe 2020 it's gone.

I was a huge fan of jobs, and loved the products under him, I am somewhat disillusioned with the newer hardware that is glued together and not upgradable. One thing I loved about macs was the ability to upgrade the components . A great company still, but it's kind of Turing into Sony in my opinion.

I actually really dislike Adobe , and I know the greedy buggers will keep flash going for a while...

 

[kemal]

There needs to be some gratuitous event, like disco demolition night.

 

[Max(IT)]

Look, you are correct about flash , it needs to go, though the industry moves slowly. 2007 we get no flash support on iOS , 2015.... Flash is still used, maybe 2020 it's gone.

I was a huge fan of jobs, and loved the products under him, I am somewhat disillusioned with the newer hardware that is glued together and not upgradable. One thing I loved about macs was the ability to upgrade the components . A great company still, but it's kind of Turing into Sony in my opinion.

I actually really dislike Adobe , and I know the greedy buggers will keep flash going for a while...

I don't like everything about Apple.
I didn't even like everything about Jobs, even if I think of him like a genius.
I wouldn't buy a 21" iMac due to some design choices Apple made, while I would buy a 27" iMac.
I bought I MBP even if the ram is soldered (not happy about that) and the SSD is not user serviceable (but it's serviceable because it's not soldered) because I know it will be fine for my needs for 3-4 years in this configuration.

Back to Flash, I used to love Adobe (10+ years ago I was a PS user, and I paid a lot of money for it), but Flash is a totally another matter. I have always considered it crapware, a resource hog. I saw powerful computers struggling to run basic webpages due to Flash. Especially if you are a Mac user, you should know how bad Flash implementation has been on OS X.
I was very happy about Jobs' decision, and I was sure he was right.
Now I'm happy to see how the web is going to be Flash free in a few years.
Flash is something I won't miss.

 

[JesterJJZ]

What I'm getting at is the idea that "Flash sucks" not because it's Flash. It sucks because its purpose is to make it easy for non-developers to develop software, and that makes for bad software.

So you're just angry because someone made what you do easier and more accessable to other people? Wow, what a crappy attitude to have. Hey, I felt the same way when the DSLR movement started and everyone thought they were now top notch filmmakers. But eventually people saw through that and good work began to stand on its own. If you do good work, it will show, sometimes even better in a sea full of crap.

 

[Moi Ici]

Oh joy!

 

[MH01]

I don't like everything about Apple.
I didn't even like everything about Jobs, even if I think of him like a genius.
I wouldn't buy a 21" iMac due to some design choices Apple made, while I would buy a 27" iMac.
I bought I MBP even if the ram is soldered (not happy about that) and the SSD is not user serviceable (but it's serviceable because it's not soldered) because I know it will be fine for my needs for 3-4 years in this configuration.

Back to Flash, I used to love Adobe (10+ years ago I was a PS user, and I paid a lot of money for it), but Flash is a totally another matter. I have always considered it crapware, a resource hog. I saw powerful computers struggling to run basic webpages due to Flash. Especially if you are a Mac user, you should know how bad Flash implementation has been on OS X.
I was very happy about Jobs' decision, and I was sure he was right.
Now I'm happy to see how the web is going to be Flash free in a few years.
Flash is something I won't miss.

I think we have similar view points. Flash continues to cause me lots of issues in video delivery, so will be happy to see it gone, as its one less thing to have to support.
Issue is that many companies do not wish to invest in migration from flash, they wait till the website is relaunched to scrap it. War is not over yet mate, flash will be around for a while....
The advertising industry was a major blocker to moving away from flash also, if your site was dependent on ads revenue , that's changed now.
My pet peeve is mobile versions of sites .... Take Amazon on an iPhone and a iPad ! Such an awful experience in my opinion
Enjoy your victory , almost there !

 

[ILikeAllOS]

Nobody uses flash anymore, except for the small Facebook flash games.
Just kill it off already.

 

[MH01]

Nobody uses flash anymore, except for the small Facebook flash games.
Just kill it off already.

Factually very incorrect. Games was only a small part of flash. Video delivery is a huge one on desktop. You would not even realise if the video is flash or MP4, you just watch it and enjoy it. A good video player will support both flash and html 5 playback if the company still has lots of flv assets

 

[ArmCortexA8]

What's the problem about DRM? They are here for a reason

I don't support and never will support draconian DRM measures. DRM should be banned.

 

[cwt1nospam]

So you're just angry because someone made what you do easier and more accessable to other people?

Not at all. I don't do much user facing code, with the exception of some web development.

I'm angry because someone made it easy for people who should not be writing code to create things that show up on some of the web pages I visit. They get an ego boost and maybe even a little cash while the rest of us end up suffering through their "creation." I'd like to be able to visit a restaurant's web site and see the menu without having to load Flash, for example! It's completely unnecessary!

 

[JDW]

The fact that Flash is still alive and still used by major websites is a horrific crime. Consider Mixbook. I created some Christmas cards on their site with my Mac, and later I wanted to edit them when I only had my iPad, but I was shocked to see my editing access was blocked because stupid FLASH is required. Mixbook is a popular site, even now at the end of 2015. What are they thinking??!! And outside the US, it's even worse. Here in Japan, there is Flash galore, and no one is taking that evil stuff down. Flash needs to have built-in expiration so it stops working worldwide at some point. Hoping companies do the right thing and rid their sites of it isn't enough.

 

[hiddenmarkov]

big in video and the advertising industry. You will not notice though as depending on the browser detection you will be shown a flash or MP4 asset.

Yes max, Flash is still very much alive, cause it takes time for companies to migrate, especially if you are talking large mounts of video. That is if you Still have the original asset....We have huge amounts of video and they are encoded for flash and MP4.... Shock horror, as they end user you will not notice and claim flash is dead cause these videos play on your iPhone....

Costs max..... Costs.... You realize a flash asset is so much smaller than a MP4 asset? And when you pay millions in bandwidth costs ... Makes a huge difference.

Given people can install flash on a Mac, and always could, WHAT apology are you asking for?

Flash in time will die out. It's not dead in 2015....nor will it be for many years to come. It's time will come.

And it was a great tool for website development.

This. It served a function. filled a decent sized gap until the herald of HTML 5 showed up. It gave us something till that came along and matured. HTML 5 was not even finalized until 2014. Adopted earlier by some yes....but adoption slowed by this final wait. Programming is a battlefield littered with the dead and wounded of this language will be the next best thing.

Some less brave or risk conscious stick to old stand by's. Business need or just don't want to re-recode if the new tv child star goes down hill fast in teens skyrocketing to where are they now status (when not it rehab) to use an analogy.

Some need to google the lifespan of flash. And then report to us how long its been around. Hint: a really long time.

Is/was it perfect? No. It was good enough to give us something till an alternative could arise. Welcome to programming....you get these intermediate language phases. there had to be c and c++ (also hated by some) to do something until higher level languages developed and matured. Higher level meaning not requiring the more micromanaging aspects low levels like c/c++ do, its not an indication of "better" (for the non programmers who might misread higher).

If someone had something better they could have presented it way before HTML5.

Now...its time for conversion. that will take time. Those looking to dance on the grave of it...would not plan that party soon. Inb4 just recode duh, its so easy. If only it were this way in the IT realm. Some legacy roots dig deep in the IT realm.

 

[Max(IT)]

I don't support and never will support draconian DRM measures. DRM should be banned.

piracy should be banned (and actually is) ...
DRM are here to protect artists' rights.
Freely distributed contents haven't any DRM.

 

[hiddenmarkov]

Not at all. I don't do much user facing code, with the exception of some web development.

I'm angry because someone made it easy for people who should not be writing code to create things that show up on some of the web pages I visit. They get an ego boost and maybe even a little cash while the rest of us end up suffering through their "creation." I'd like to be able to visit a restaurant's web site and see the menu without having to load Flash, for example! It's completely unnecessary!

Funny, this same case can be made for java really.

Now if a java hater, well nice to meet a fellow disliker. You show me 3 applications, same task/function. One coded native to system (obj-c cocoa mac os for example), one a cross platforms framework development project and one java. java is by and large off the list for that alone.

If liking java though...may want to rethink this stance you give. It allows too many conveniences the developers left on the people who code with it to work out in their code. Problem: many don't.

 

[Max(IT)]

Funny, this same case can be made for java really.

Now if a java hater, well nice to meet a fellow disliker. You show me 3 applications, same task/function. One coded native to system (obj-c cocoa mac os for example), one a cross platforms framework development project and one java. java is by and large off the list for that alone.

If liking java though...may want to rethink this stance you give. It allows too many conveniences the developers left on the people who code with it to work out in their code. Problem: many don't.

Well, Java isn't much better than Flash ... just a little less resource hog maybe...

 

[Barna Biro]

Adobe has started moving towards HTML / JS / CSS quite a few years ago, this is nothing new. Also, many people are seemingly lacking attention to detail... Animate CC will continue to export to Flash ( .swf format ) and I wouldn't be surprised if ActionScript 3.0 would also be the language you write your stuff in and then it gets transcompiled to JS.

Flash is not dead but its time will definitely come. At the moment, there's still really no proper alternative when it comes to game development for the browser. Sure, we can argue that one can use HTML5 to write some semi-basic games, but HTML5 browser games still have a long way ahead of them before they can fully replace Flash.

Flash had its pros and cons, just like any other technology ( a lot of hate is the result of having a tool that is easy enough to use by non-technical people / non-developers who can then start producing fancy looking garbage - no surprise that some even managed to create banners that would max CPU; even today, Skype ads and many, many other things are constantly breaking... not because Flash is bad, it's because incompetent idiots used it, just like they are / will be using HTML / JS / CSS eventually and producing just as big of a mess ). While some might argue that it was / is evil, we could also argue that it might have been a necessary evil that eventually pushed others to try to come up with better alternatives. I expect Flash content to still be widely accessible for many years to come ( like it or not )... also, people tend to forget about Adobe Air that is, in essence, Flash on desktop / mobile / tablet / tv, etc. Many of you might even be using Adobe Air apps on a daily basis without knowing... it's funny, do please continue throwing poop at the stuff you don't understand / know little about.

 

[ArmCortexA8]

piracy should be banned (and actually is) ...
DRM are here to protect artists' rights.
Freely distributed contents haven't any DRM.

Copying is not illegal and never has been, despite the B.S. from the industry - read: http://questioncopyright.org/promise. DRM is of no benefit to me so don't want it and will bypass it easily.

 

[MacBH928]

Since Flash has been completely abandoned by iDevices and lat eleven by android devices, lazy websites are forced to get rid of it.

The other day I wanted to test Proton Browser(Flash enabler for iOS). I had really hard time finding a website that still uses Flash.

The sad part is that, we won't be able to see websites from the past because unlike HTML, you have to have this propriety software to make them work. So that will give problems to web archives.

 

[Barna Biro]

@MacBH928: you're making too much of a fuss about nothing. Past "full Flash websites" ( I guess these were the ones you were talking about... "Flash", otherwise, is still quite present on the web in the form of banners / video players / audio players / even some image galleries and games... it's anything but hard to find websites that still "use Flash" ) were virtually never content-oriented... they were not Wikis. The content you saw on 99% of them was a handful of text with fancy animations / videos / sounds / interaction ( this is what Flash excelled at... presenting stuff in a very fancy / eye-catching way). Most of that data has anyway lost its relevance years ago ( assuming it was *ever* relevant ), not to mention that it might have never even been crawled / indexed ( should I explain how SEO-friend Flash content was / is? )

... and again, people forget about Adobe Air that runs on mobile / tablet / tv / desktop / consoles, etc. You might easily be using an Air app or game on iOS / Android without even knowing that it is Air ( "wrapped Flash" ). As for "Flash Player on mobile", yeah, that was a dumb idea to begin with. Some geniuses at Adobe thought that if you can load a .swf file on Android and scale it to fit a tiny screen, then somehow, magically, it will work and be usable! We all know how that ended... but that's the result of having idiots on your management / technical board. They should have never even tried ( except if the actual purpose was to poo on the company / brand / technology a bit more... in that case, the effort was a great success )...

 

[Max(IT)]

Copying is not illegal and never has been, despite the B.S. from the industry - read: http://questioncopyright.org/promise. DRM is of no benefit to me so don't want it and will bypass it easily.

that link is a collection of BS ...

Copying copyright protected contents IS illegal.

The other day I wanted to test Proton Browser(Flash enabler for iOS). I had really hard time finding a website that still uses Flash.

The sad part is that, we won't be able to see websites from the past because unlike HTML, you have to have this propriety software to make them work. So that will give problems to web archives.

As of today NONE of the websites I'm browsing (and they are a lot) still use Flash.
I'm very happy about it.

 

[Misaki]

Adobe has started moving towards HTML / JS / CSS quite a few years ago, this is nothing new. Also, many people are seemingly lacking attention to detail... Animate CC will continue to export to Flash ( .swf format ) and I wouldn't be surprised if ActionScript 3.0 would also be the language you write your stuff in and then it gets transcompiled to JS.

You do realize that Actionscript 3.0 is the same ECMAScript that Javascript is right? Actionscript 3.0 was based on Ecmascript 4th edition and embraced a bunch of OOP JAVA(TM)-like of sloppy coding that Javascript coders complain that Javascript doesn't have. This stuff got added in 6th editon (aka 2015 edition) which means that one could completely convert an AS3.0 Flash project into a SVG+Javascript project+WebAudio or Canvas+Javascript+Webaudio and you'd likely not be missing anything.