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I'm more interested to see how Premiere runs on an M1. My daily driver for editing is a 2019 16" MBP. Premiere runs really well, but I'm only shooting HD content, no 4K.
It runs great already. I used the beta already as a daily driver. There is one bug that if you apply a LUT in the export window then the video exported is just blank. You have to apply the LUT on the timeline.
 
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Do yourself a big favor and stop using Adobe apps. Their programs are mostly garbage, and there are fantastic other apps out there now. Here's just a few:

- Affinity Designer
- Affinity Photo
- Davinci Resolve
This doesn’t make you look like some super smart rebel. It makes you look cheap and ignorant. Use them if you must but if you don’t understand other people’s workflows and file formats then don’t impose your ignorance on them.

Affinity Photo won’t even read complex layers from Photoshop correctly or export them correctly back to Photoshop. So if you have to share files with big teams and companies they won’t be happy with you. And forget about integration with After Effects.
 
That's rubbish since it's not like for like comparison. They need to compare laptop vs laptop and not desktop vs laptop. Should've used a MBP M1 vs latest 11th gen Intel Tiger Lake.
There is no difference in performance between a MacBook Pro m1 and the Mac mini m1.

There might be a small performance difference between the Mac mini and MacBook Air which is fanless. I’ve test those 2 and largest I saw was less than 5% on a long running Lightroom export. I’ll try photoshop when I have a chance
 
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For example, maybe one limiting factor is that the graphics processing of the current M1 laptops are not as high as the Intel version that supports discreet graphics.
but Adobe says "with similar configuration", so I suppose that the M1 GPU is compared to the intel iris, which is several times slower.
 
That's rubbish since it's not like for like comparison. They need to compare laptop vs laptop and not desktop vs laptop. Should've used a MBP M1 vs latest 11th gen Intel Tiger Lake.
As you probably know the Mac Mini has the same system on chip as the MBP M1 and has similar cooling. In some cases the MBP slightly out performs the mac mini (and vice versa), so should have very similar results. My guess is the only Mac M1 they had to test was the mini.

They also show the results native against emulation which is what the focus of the article is.
 
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That’s… a lot of text that says surprisingly little.

“So yep, if you’re speccing up an M1 Mac, you’ll want to factor in SSD wear. If you expect your usage to be RAM-intensive, and/or write a lot of data, then 16GB RAM is better than 8GB, and a large SSD is better than a small one. But panic about M1 Mac SSD wear killing machines in less than a year are likely highly exaggerated.”

How is someone supposed to make a purchasing decision based on this?

The author could’ve run some tests comparing various systems, but that would’ve required actual effort.

The missing features are not used by most folks.

You say ”not ready for prime time.” These folks say “game changer”:


I’m kind of with mi1chy on this one. A comparison against a Tiger Lake-UP3 laptop would’ve been more interesting.
 
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Intel doesn't care. As they correctly point out, if you want a collectable "intel inside" sticker you have to buy a PC with their processor in it. Everyone loves stickers.
You were always my favorite.
 
Expected to see industry standard Photoshop benchmark results for comparison but nothing. How about a more recent CPU comparison?

https://www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/

Update: From extrapolation, if Photoshop performance on M1 is ~50% faster than 2019 Macbook Pro with high end i7-8557U CPU option which is equivalent to i7-8565U on this chart then it's on par with latest Intel Tiger Lake i7-1165G7.

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The issue with these benchmarks is that at least for me, I don’t understand how the numbers translate to seconds on the clock.
 
Yep, It speedily eliminates sectors of your SSD as fast as it can.
Until some SSDs are actually worn out, I will reserve my panic. Guesstimates are currently in the 10 year range, and that include initial setup AI facial recognition of your photos and so on. in 10 years, I will be using a different computer. Hell, there may be some new storage technology by then.

Even the CPU is designed to only last 11.2 years. Yes many last longer, but that is the design.

If the SSD lasts 11.2 years, you're golden.
 
This sounds great, but I think people are raising their hopes too much thinking that M1 is 50% faster then that means M2 will be 300% faster! I think this was the big jump, while M2 will be faster I think it will be like an incremental jump from M1.

What I am trying to say is that the jump from M1->M2≠ Intel->M1 , much less. I think....
 
Hardware change though 😉 the boost is coming from the Neural cores.

Every time we had an architecture change we got a big boost. From 68k to PPC, from PPC to Intel, from Intel to Apple Silicon.


It looks like the mac mini m1 via emulation is about the same as an i7 mac mini and not the low end i3 which the m1 price range is comparable to.

Looking at these scores from


and comparing mac mini's


Natively the M1 is doubling some of the test metrics (compared to rosetta) and well ahead on others. Strangely the test using the GPU is way behind, although the GPU is far better on the m1 mini rivalling the discrete MacBook 16 inch. Perhaps Adobe has more work to do in this regard.

As a user it does not matter to me what part of the processor is doing the work; Neural cores, cpu or gpu. As long as it is working out better and cheaper for me I am happy!
 
Hardware change though 😉 the boost is coming from the Neural cores.

Every time we had an architecture change we got a big boost. From 68k to PPC, from PPC to Intel, from Intel to Apple Silicon.

The Power PC to intel change although I was impressed at the time with most apps, photoshop CS2 was not one of the ones that gained any speed but was really a downgrade. There were a lot of complaints last time around


I had a a g4 iBook 933mhz at the time and core duo and core solo (mac mini) intel speeds never really surpassed that until later versions of both hardware via emulation and CS3 was launched. With Photoshop the real gains were made with core 2 duo which was around 40% faster in some photoshop tasks.

The price the M1 mac mini is comparable with the core solo Mac Mini worse than the G4 it replaced in many areas including Photoshop.

From https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...-mini-core-speed-compared-to-mac-mini-g4.html

Apple's Rosetta translation technology works very well on the new minis, but there is a significant speed hit. In our Adobe Photoshop CS2 test suite, for example, both models performed much slower than even the [Mac mini G4] 1.25 GHz, taking 51 percent longer (Core Duo) and 117 percent longer (Core Solo) to complete their tasks.

On the other hand the M1 has been on par or exceeding most other notebook macs and minis regardless of the class they are in whilst under rosetta emulation.
 
This sounds great, but I think people are raising their hopes too much thinking that M1 is 50% faster then that means M2 will be 300% faster! I think this was the big jump, while M2 will be faster I think it will be like an incremental jump from M1.

What I am trying to say is that the jump from M1->M2≠ Intel->M1 , much less. I think....
Hard to say, but that's probably not the case if the number of cores is the same. The A CPUs were almost 30% faster compared to the previous generation.

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Do yourself a big favor and stop using Adobe apps. Their programs are mostly garbage, and there are fantastic other apps out there now. Here's just a few:

- Affinity Designer
- Affinity Photo
- Davinci Resolve
I have to say after using Adobe software for decades (since Photoshop 2.5). The affinity suite has won me over. Publisher especially is very user friendly and faster than either Quark or Indesign even on old systems. On the M1 mini it really flies!!!
 
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People also need to keep in mind the M1 processor is the lowest processor....EVER in Macs. Lets see the performance on the 16" Macbook Pro, 27" iMac and eventually, a maxed out Mac Pro and see how crazy things can get.
 
Do yourself a big favor and stop using Adobe apps. Their programs are mostly garbage, and there are fantastic other apps out there now. Here's just a few:

- Affinity Designer
- Affinity Photo
- Davinci Resolve
Unfortunately, there are still some killer features in Illustrator and Photoshop that do not exist in Affinity software. Also, Affinity does have issues with very complex PSD files.
 
If computers have been getting 50% faster every couple years for 30 years now, why are we still reporting on massive performance gains?

Meh, in 2017 I thought my IMac Pro was finally going to crush all my performance frustrations... ha!
 
It's 2021.. We really need to get away from the same old X86 architecture. Thank God Apple took this leap! If I were Nvidia or AMD I would be working with Apple to integrate my GPU for additional processing power that might attract more gamers.
Unfortunately both of my older macs crapped out with in a few months of each other so going to pull the trigger on a 16” MBP as I need something. When the new 16” comes out I’ll probably trade this one in buy the new one. I am excited about the Apple SoC just can’t be without a computer right now.
 
This can't make Intel very happy.
Look at Windows PC marketshare, where Intel dominates.
Intel would be worried once competitors like Qualcomm, together with PC OEMs and Microsoft, have a completely viable and high performing and cheap Arm based Windows machine with good backward compatibility. It will happen, but it's not anytime soon.
 
Unfortunately, there are still some killer features in Illustrator and Photoshop that do not exist in Affinity software. Also, Affinity does have issues with very complex PSD files.
Those complexities should surprise anyone. The fact is, Adobe can't parse anything from Affinity, but the leaps of improvements Affinity's Suite is showing will soon have it surpassing Adobe's equivalent offerings, and that's actually sad seeing as they were the pioneers in each of these categories.
 
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