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Adobe Shows Off Flash-to-HTML5 Converter

what is WinPho 7 grains traction? Are they going to allow Flash on their device? WinPho 7 is copying exact features of iPhone in 97, no copy/paste (its coming later), no user installable ring tones, its locked down just like iPhone .

I think Silverlight is giving Flash a good competition as well.
 
There are things you can't convert with this prototype, notably ActionScript, so it's useless for Flex.
 
"Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting pragmatism ahead of ideology."

Yeah. Hey, try looking at Contribute Publishing Server. For only $91 + $25 shipping (it says you can download it, but you can't), you get 2004-vintage software on a genuine Macromedia disk to help solve all your problems. Except it doesn't work on current Linux distros, and their help people take six days to respond. And it's probably almost as secure as Windows XP without a service pack. But Adobe helps customers solve real problems...
 
Brinkman said:
Delaying the inevitable :D
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Umm I think you have it backwards. This more than likely will kill off flash faster not slower. A huge reason why flash would linger is because their was no easy way to translated them over to HTML5 code. It just would cost way to much in time and money but this makes it a lot easier because the complier can do it for you.
 
Wurm5150 said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8B117 Safari/6531.22.7)

Apple trashed Adobe on Flash so they'll get off their lazy asses and do something. I guess Jobs calling Adobe out was a good thing. Jobs said Adobe should concentrate on creating HTML5 authoring tools instead of criticizing Apple. Now Adobe is starting to do what Jobs suggested Adobe do.
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Well, ask anyone in the W3C HTML5 working group and they will admit that Steve Jobs is both the best thing that ever happened to HTML5, and the worst thing that has ever happened to HTML5...

Last week, Phillippe Le Hegaret, one of the W3C officials announced that it was a little too early to fully deploy HTML5 because of all of the interoperability issues. The transition was not supposed to happen until 2011-12. Steve Jobs enthusiastic attempt to shove the world into using HTML5 was a bit premature, and now everyone is rushing to see how all the pieces are going to fit together. The video codec wars and the complete lack of digital rights management (the REAL reason Flash is used on so many video serving sites) are two examples, but there are lots, lots more.

The full feature set of HTML5 won't be agreed upon until 2011. Until that time it would be difficult for anyone (Apple or Adobe) to create a comprehensive authoring tool for HTML5. it will be piecemeal attempts until then. Dreamweaver supports some of it now, Illustrator supports export to it, Flash will. Aside for telling us we SHOULD do it, Apple has yet to step up to the plate...
 
Hysterical

Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting pragmatism ahead of ideology.

Hysterical. This from the company whose representative told me in 1997, "Apple is dead. We're never going to hire another Apple engineer, and we're going to discontinue our Apple products as soon as it becomes practical to do so. You know, we earn almost as much from our non-Mac business now as we do from our Mac business."

Yes, things weren't looking great for Apple at that time. However, an admission that they were treating the source of over 50% of their revenues as second class citizens that they hoped they could dispense with entirely isn't exactly 'pragmatism'.
 
Northgrove said:
Even IE 9 (!) will support HTML 5 Video and Canvas, for a pretty much complete Flash replacement.
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Uh, video and canvas are a very small part of what is needed to fully replace Flash.

One other big part is SVG support. And judging from their blog on the subject, it's not going to be a full implementation in IE9 :

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/03/18/svg-in-ie9-roadmap.aspx

Considering SVG has been with us for the better part of the last decade...

Microsoft will always hold back the web and force us to rely on third party plugins and other crap. They want this, because in this scenario, they can push their own proprietary crap.
 
Xavier said:
Adobe is in denial.

This is the first stage of acceptance.
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Adobe Photoshop outputs files for display by graphic routines in different OSes.

Adobe Premier output files that run on many different movie players.

Adobe Flash will now output multimedia interactive modules that will run on different rendering engines.

Making IDEs that run on third party rendering engines is what Adobe has done best in the past. Also, if the right people are still around, many can remember the NPS (Network Post Script) debacle where if they opened up the format, it would have replaced HTML when the web was starting up in the 90s.

Live, get your butt kicked and learn. It builds character.
 
miknos said:
Seems like the generated code is bloody bloated.
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keep saying that but take any gui generating software out there. I can promise you that you could not make heads or tails of most of the code automatically generated but at the same time you could never write that interface as quickly or look at nice.
I have coded an interface for a simple app for class and I can promise you that it is not fun and a huge mess to do. Hell I was still about the only person who really understood my code. My comments in the code made it readable to me. Others who look at it only would have slight idea what it was doing at any given point in where the interface was created.

This is really no different.
 
fredfnord said:
Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting pragmatism ahead of ideology.

Hysterical. This from the company whose representative told me in 1997, "Apple is dead. We're never going to hire another Apple engineer, and we're going to discontinue our Apple products as soon as it becomes practical to do so. You know, we earn almost as much from our non-Mac business now as we do from our Mac business."

Yes, things weren't looking great for Apple at that time. However, an admission that they were treating the source of over 50% of their revenues as second class citizens that they hoped they could dispense with entirely isn't exactly 'pragmatism'.
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very nice. If only Adobe could see your post lol.
 
fredfnord said:
Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting pragmatism ahead of ideology.

Hysterical. This from the company whose representative told me in 1997, "Apple is dead. We're never going to hire another Apple engineer, and we're going to discontinue our Apple products as soon as it becomes practical to do so. You know, we earn almost as much from our non-Mac business now as we do from our Mac business."

Yes, things weren't looking great for Apple at that time. However, an admission that they were treating the source of over 50% of their revenues as second class citizens that they hoped they could dispense with entirely isn't exactly 'pragmatism'.
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At the time 50% of their revenues was not coming from Apple. You need to put things relative to the times.
You can not use 2 different time periods for the same argument.
 
How about a tool for directly creating html5 content. There might be a market for a software which would have Dreamweavers ability to create web pages and Flash Pros ability to create animations and video content.
 
cube said:
There are things you can't convert with this prototype, notably ActionScript, so it's useless for Flex.
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True, but my sense is that if Adobe can create a cross compiler that translates As3 into an objective-C .ipa for the iphone, Actionscript can certainly be translated over to its sister-language Javascript.

In fact, my studio does a lot of Flash/Flex and HTML/AJAX work, and we have entire libraries of code that can be cut and pasted from As3 to JS with no modifications.
 
Looks terrific, if Adobe Flash could author HTML/CSS/JS animations and applications i would be happy to adopt it into my projects.
 
KnightWRX said:
It's funny that everyone pushes HTML5 and calls Flash crap, yet the only company making good tools to make Canvas apps is the company responsible for Flash itself.

Maybe Apple should use some of its billions to make an HTML5 authoring app before calling other vendors lazy.:rolleyes:
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Except that Apple is actually a hardware company, not a software company. They produce and sell software to make their hardware more appealing. Not sure I can see a reason why they should produce a tool to turn Flash into HTML. I'm sure they'd do a good job, but wouldn't it be better to leave it to those who build those kinds of tools?
 
I wonder where some people see the great adobe's products and why the hell, I can not see them.

This make me to believe that they compare the PhotoShop CS5 with Gimp and not with previews versions or with what the program should be.

I have been working with photoshop since... hm that's a long trip back, I think I started with version 3 or 4, in a PPC Macintosh 7200/75. I was but a kid by that time but I kept using photoshop and then I mastered it (if I can say that) while I entered college to take courses of graphics design and computer art.

I have noticed that there where a great evolution till version 8, or if you prefer the CS1. After that I really felt like the program is trying to be everything, without being good at anything at all.
It lost it's way to make things better and just started to add things.
After a little it made it up to CS5 of today, and what is that I see? A fat and ugly program with many functions that I will never use.
Now if this program was 3-4 programs with specific usage, and evolving relatively to what it is as a program, that could be better.

Same goes with the flash, from the program to the whole technology behind it. At start it was cool, it was way too forward from it's era. Then adobe bought macromedia and took the flash and didn't optimized it to make it better, just started to add things, and things and things.

We couldn't realize what a big fat program it became, because hardware evolution was giving us more and more power. No that the hardware is on it's slow down, and manufactures are worrying more about power efficiency, we realize that we don't need fat and big programs, but programs who will be optimized and can work efficiently on our hardware.
 
lucidmedia said:
True, but my sense is that if Adobe can create a cross compiler that translates As3 into an objective-C .ipa for the iphone, Actionscript can certainly be translated over to its sister-language Javascript.

In fact, my studio does a lot of Flash/Flex and HTML/AJAX work, and we have entire libraries of code that can be cut and pasted from As3 to JS with no modifications.
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What I mean is that in its present form, it's only useful for animations, not applications.
 
fredfnord said:
Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting pragmatism ahead of ideology.

Hysterical. This from the company whose representative told me in 1997, "Apple is dead. We're never going to hire another Apple engineer, and we're going to discontinue our Apple products as soon as it becomes practical to do so. You know, we earn almost as much from our non-Mac business now as we do from our Mac business."

Yes, things weren't looking great for Apple at that time. However, an admission that they were treating the source of over 50% of their revenues as second class citizens that they hoped they could dispense with entirely isn't exactly 'pragmatism'.
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I am sure the same guys told you that were at some killer estate parties up in Redmond. Many say that Apple has a lot of Kool-Aide and Reality Distortion Fields. However, if you ever have seen some long term Microsoft employees repeat their corporate lines, it is far worst.

I lost a long term friendship with a college buddy of mine over his years at Microsoft. He was in absolute denial about how bad Vista was doing in the market place. The final straw was the WP7 launch a few weeks ago. Homecoming next year is going to be real fun.

Then there are those in who are in retirement age that can still sign the IBM songs (http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/music/music_clips.html) from memory.
 
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